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In the US which churches/denominations are on the political left or centre?

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It is not common but it does happen. A few denominations lost theirs, but not for political involvement - they violated other requirements. Individual churches have lost for partisan involvement; I was aware of one in my former hometown. A partial list is in the article below.

 
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There are marches against abortion and so on, not initiated under the auspices of a church though.
That activity would not cause a church to lose its 501(c)3 status and there are 501(c)3s that organize those. It is not a violation to speak out on issues - it is to endorse candidates in an election.

From the IRS publication:
All IRC Section 501(c)(3) organizations, including churches and religious organizations, must abide by certain rules:
  1. their net earnings may not inure to any private shareholder or individual;
  2. they must not provide a substantial benefit to private interests;
  3. they must not devote a substantial part of their activities to attempting to influence legislation;
  4. they must not participate in, or intervene in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office; and
  5. the organization’s purposes and activities may not be illegal or violate fundamental public policy.
 
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That activity would not cause a church to lose its 501(c)3 status and there are 501(c)3s that organize those. It is not a violation to speak out on issues - it is to endorse candidates in an election.
Perhaps, but threats have been made against such churches and from some ministers their sermons were demanded for preview under Obama...in a southern church I believe. On more than one occasion... outrageous!!
 
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Perhaps, but threats have been made against such churches and from some ministers their sermons were demanded for preview under Obama...in a southern church I believe. On more than one occasion... outrageous!!
Having been the elder chairman of a 1500 person evangelical church in the Carolinas that dug pretty deeply into the whole tax exempt issue, I never heard of any sermons being demanded for preview. I do know that in Houston, after they passed a non-discrimination ordinance, the local government demanded some sermons for review after they were delivered. I do believe the Houston mayor was trying to bully the pastors and was wanting to use the sermons to take language (either in or out of context) to try to shame and influence. Though the question can be raised if any church should be concerned about their sermon text being sent to anyone given the commission of the church, I do agree that the mayors request was wrong and political on her part and that is outrageous.

That was not the IRS threatening tax exempt status though, nor was it Obama. To be honest, I will have to see firm information to the contrary before I will believe the IRS threatened a church for anything that didn't violate the specific list I provided earlier or that they demanded to preview any sermon. Might have happened but we didn't find it when we were examining that issue. Reality is we saw they have given churches a very long leash in that area for decades and only pulled tax exempt status when grounds for doing so were very clear - they do not relish First Amendment fights in the courts. Churches are already unique in that they are considered 501(c)3 tax exempt automatically upon forming and do not have to file anything with the IRS in order for that status to be active.
 
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Again, I was using Obama, or Obama Administration as a time marker for some of these religious freedom attacks. The IRS also went after some high profile Christian charities with false accusations and besmirching their reputations. ( i.e. Samaritan's Purse). Some private Christian colleges had their funding aid to students removed because they refused to open bathrooms according to the new gender rules...wherever that currently stands. Churches in some cases were not allowed to meet during COVID, religious opinions on LGBTQ are being smeared and labeled hate speech...many, many moves toward persecution.
 
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Saying under Obama administration. And you seem to smile upon some of the squelching of church voices and maybe don't see the looming signs of persecution of the Church.
A long leash??? Obey God over man! On a bad platform to communicate
No, I do see definite attempts to silence the voice of churches in many areas. Religious freedom is an issue I care deeply about. I just prefer to spend my energy on real instances and not on windmills. Removal of tax exempt status by the IRS barely registers on the pareto chart for religious freedom persecution.

You listed some areas that are real instances of concern, but none of those involved church tax exempt status. The closest was Samaritan's Purse (a great organization) and Franklin Graham's heavy partisan political involvement, while separate from that organization, is going to draw attention. Do you recall the result of the 2012 IRS audit of Samaritan's Purse? They are still tax exempt.
 
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No, I do see definite attempts to silence the voice of churches in many areas. Religious freedom is an issue I care deeply about. I just prefer to spend my energy on real instances and not on windmills. Removal of tax exempt status by the IRS barely registers on the pareto chart for religious freedom persecution.

You listed some areas that are real instances of concern, but none of those involved church tax exempt status. The closest was Samaritan's Purse (a great organization) and Franklin Graham's heavy partisan political involvement, while separate from that organization, is going to draw attention. Do you recall the result of the 2012 IRS audit of Samaritan's Purse? They are still tax exempt.
My comments you may have noticed were no longer addressing tax exempt status, but rather expanding on my earlier comment to the OP...religious persecution. And in addition I'd say there is an intimidation factor extending from all these areas which is difficult to measure. Churches are shoring up their by-laws proactively in hopes of protecting their doctrine. These attacks are from various groups and courts, driven by government policies, uphold these attacks at times.
 
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My comments you may have noticed were no longer addressing tax exempt status, but rather expanding on my earlier comment to the OP...religious persecution. And in addition I'd say there is an intimidation factor extending from all these areas which is difficult to measure. Churches are shoring up their by-laws proactively in hopes of protecting their doctrine. These attacks are from various groups and courts, driven by government policies, uphold these attacks at times.
Yes, I was tying your comments back to tax exempt status, so thank you for the clarification. From a high level, I think we do have a lot of agreement on this topic. When I was in leadership, we certainly had taken steps to examine and update bylaws and policies as you mentioned.
 
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Have any US churches lost their tax exempts status?
I cannot prove this and I know of no concrete plan to do so, but I believe when it happens it will happen at a court level that will affect all churches, synagogues, temples, etc. that have tax exempt status. IOWs, in one fell swoop, all religious tax exempt status will be removed from all religious organization. I suspect it may happen at a federal district court level and then the action will be upheld at the SCOTUS.
 
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Yes, I was tying your comments back to tax exempt status, so thank you for the clarification. From a high level, I think we do have a lot of agreement on this topic. When I was in leadership, we certainly had taken steps to examine and update bylaws and policies as you mentioned.
Yes. I think we are in agreement and I much respect your leadership and knowledge in these matters.
 
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I cannot prove this and I know of no concrete plan to do so, but I believe when it happens it will happen at a court level that will affect all churches, synagogues, temples, etc. that have tax exempt status. IOWs, in one fell swoop, all religious tax exempt status will be removed from all religious organization. I suspect it may happen at a federal district court level and then the action will be upheld at the SCOTUS.
I certainly have read opinion pieces in some blogs and non-mainstream sources calling for this, but like you I have not seen a serious effort. Generally comes from 2 camps, either atheist or those who deconstructed and no longer support churches as they exist today. I don’t believe this would happen with this Supreme Court, but IMHO your scenario is more likely than tax exempt status slowly being eroded away. Again, JMHO.
 
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Yes. I think we are in agreement and I much respect your leadership and knowledge in these matters.
Thank you. The wonderful thing is while serving as God called me to, I both saw the human failings of believers and also ended my time with a stronger faith in God and stronger belief in the guiding of the Holy Spirit. I was blessed by that time.
 
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Thank you. The wonderful thing is while serving as God called me to, I both saw the human failings of believers and also ended my time with a stronger faith in God and stronger belief in the guiding of the Holy Spirit. I was blessed by that time.
Praise the Lord for Christian growth and thank you for your service!
 
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