Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[Leaf473]

Its the same ten - with one of the edited...

It is in practice a different 10. That's the key in my post that you are quoting: "in practice".

So are you saying that is "you" now? Did you pick that solution or are you still opposing them all - claiming all ten are deleted or are at least downsized to at least just nine?

I claim that all 10 are fulfilled by loving one's neighbor as oneself. It is, in practice, the same as affirming all 10 in edited or reinterpreted form.

Which lane did pick?

Thank you for asking again Did I answer your questions?

 

[Leaf473]

Do you also insist on not answering?

You asked:

Do you ever wonder how it is that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today and that they apply to all the world -- "the whole world" as Paul says in Rom 3:19?

I answered "I do not Wonder", and then continued with an explanation.

I don't know how to answer your question more directly than that

I'll proceed to answer other questions in your post, in case that's what you meant

 

[Leaf473]

How is it that Christianity is so united on this one point in your view?

I think it is because they are led by the Spirit.

 

[Leaf473]

They edit 1... are you saying that is " also your view"? or are you just tossing things out that are not even your position still?yy

Well, remember that you are asking me why other people are doing something. So I'm giving my views on why they are doing that

 

[Leaf473]

They edit 1... are you saying that is " also your view"?

It's not my view, or at least not how I would word it. But as I said, in practice, it works out the same

Great questions!

 

[Leaf473]

True - but "Holy day of the Lord" is in scripture - Is 58:13 as the Sabbath.

For some reason the quoting system isn't working well on my phone today, so I'm going to break this post up into pieces

Here's Isaiah 58:13 in the lxx, which is what John's readers would probably have been most familiar with:
ἐὰν ἀποστρέψῃς τὸν πόδα σου ἀπὸ τῶν σαββάτων τοῦ μὴ ποιεῖν τὰ θελήματά σου ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἁγίᾳ καὶ καλέσεις τὰ σάββατα τρυφερά ἅγια τῷ θεῷ σου οὐκ ἀρεῖς τὸν πόδα σου ἐπ᾽ ἔργῳ οὐδὲ λαλήσεις λόγον ἐν ὀργῇ ἐκ τοῦ στόματός σου

Where are you seeing holy day of the Lord?

Ησαΐας (Isaiah) 58 :: Septuagint (LXX)

Ησαΐας (Isaiah) 58 - ἀναβόησον ἐν ἰσχύι καὶ μὴ φείσῃ ὡς σάλπιγγα ὕψωσον τὴν φωνήν σου καὶ ἀνάγγειλον τῷ λαῷ μου τὰ ἁμαρτήματα αὐτῶν καὶ τῷ οἴκῳ Ιακωβ τὰς ἀνομίας αὐτῶν

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Leaf473]

"Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" is in scripture in Mark 2:27
And John's readers would know that.

Yes, but is that the same as the Lord's Day in Revelation?

 

[Leaf473]

So just as Luke does not tell his readers "and remember Sabbath is the 7th day of the week" in the book of Acts each time he mentions the Sabbath - so also John does not repeat what they were told about the "Holy day of the LORD" - when he mentions "the Lord's day" IN Rev 1:10

As stated many times so far.

The point remains

What I'm saying is that the phrasing that Revelation uses doesn't occur anywhere else in the Bible. But very similar phrasing is used by contemporary Christian literature. So it seems like a reasonable conclusion to use the same understanding that John's contemporaries had

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, edit, or to use the words of John Paul II that you cite, reinterpret.

I do not affirm that we are to keep the 10 as they are written, to the letter.

So then ignore scripture or are using saying we should keep all but 1 or we keep them all as long as we edit one?

In the mean time -- it is no wonder that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

And even you cannot find any exception to that other than to say they are editing one.

So then do you accept them all but edit one - as they do?

OR is your solution to ignore them all as written...? Something none of them do.

I claim that all 10 are fulfilled by loving one's neighbor as oneself.

Is it your claim we do not have to worry about taking God's name in vain Ex 20:7 as long as we follow Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

Well I am happy to confirm that your solution is in opposition to almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth when it comes to the ten. Which is fine you have free will you can follow any suggestion you wish.

 

[BobRyan]

What I'm saying is that the phrasing that Revelation uses doesn't occur anywhere else in the Bible.

But John does not say in Rev 1:10 "The Lord's day and by that I mean week day 1" -- as if he were introducing something. Rather he references it as though the readers should already know from scripture what "the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13 is and the reader should already know that Jesus made it clear "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

Yes, but is that the same as the Lord's Day in Revelation?

John's readers only have that Is 58:13 , Ex 20:10 and Mark 2:28 as their context from scripture...

Even you attempted the suggestion that they could not know anything but the OT scripture until some two centuries later when a church council would hand them the NT.

 

[BobRyan]

Where are you seeing holy day of the Lord?

Is 58:18 NASB
13 “If, because of the Sabbath, you restrain your foot
From doing as you wish on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a pleasure, and the holy day of the Lord honorable,
And honor it, desisting from your own ways,
From seeking your own pleasure
And speaking your own word

YLT
13 If thou dost turn from the sabbath thy foot, Doing thine own pleasure on My holy day, And hast cried to the sabbath, `A delight,' To the holy of Jehovah, `Honoured,' And hast honoured it, without doing thine own ways, Without finding thine own pleasure, And speaking a word.

"My Holy" qōḏeš
קֹדֶשׁ

Day - yôm

 

[BobRyan]

Well, remember that you are asking me why other people are doing something. So I'm giving my views on why they are doing that

I only ask if you ever wonder how it is that all of Christianity appears to differ with the preference you have chosen.

If you think it about - you should not be surprised at all that I would not agree with your dismissing the Ten given that pretty much all of Christianity also differs with you and that detail.

 

[Leaf473]

So then ignore scripture or are using saying we should keep all but 1 or we keep them all as long as we edit one?

Hi Bob, my browser isn't interfacing too well with the website today, so I'm going to deal with your post section by section

Keep the entire law of Moses in principle, not letter.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20:17 - New International Reader's Version

“Do not want to have anything your neighbor owns. Do not want to have your neighbor’s house, wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey.”

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Leaf473]

In the mean time -- it is no wonder that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

Yes, kept in a reinterpreted form.

 

[Leaf473]

And even you cannot find any exception to that other than to say they are editing one.

I didn't know you wanted me to look for exceptions.

Here is one, from what appears to be a Stone Campbell Restoration movement Church.

"Today, in a church that believes in Jesus, you'll not hear admonitions to tithe, or to follow the Ten Commandments."

What about the Ten Commandments?

by Jerry Blount It seems a constant source of confusion among Christians to determine our relationship to the Ten Commandments. How do we sort all this out? On the one hand, Paul said, For He Himse…

www.lavistachurchofchrist.org

 

[Leaf473]

So then do you accept them all but edit one - as they do?

OR is your solution to ignore them all as written...? Something none of them do.

My solution is to try to keep the entire law of Moses in principle.

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 19:5-6 - New International Reader's Version

The sun is like a groom leaving the room of his wedding night. The sun is like a great runner who takes delight in running a race. It rises at one end of the heavens. Then it moves across to the other end. Everything enjoys its warmth.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Leaf473]

Is it your claim we do not have to worry about taking God's name in vain Ex 20:7 as long as we follow Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

I don't think we would be able to keep the principle of not misusing the tetragrammaton while also loving our neighbors as ourselves.

 

[Leaf473]

Well I am happy to confirm that your solution is in opposition to almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth when it comes to the ten. Which is fine you have free will you can follow any suggestion you wish.

It's fully in line with the practices of those denominations.

But we like rules, don't we? It's easier - and more satisfying - to tell your teenager "be home by 10:00"
than to tell them "be safe."

 

[Leaf473]

But John does not say in Rev 1:10 "The Lord's day and by that I mean week day 1" -- as if he were introducing something. Rather he references it as though the readers should already know from scripture what "the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13 is and the reader should already know that Jesus made it clear "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

His contemporaries also would have known about Isaiah and Mark. And they use that kind of phrasing to refer to the first day of the week, from what I've found.

 

[Leaf473]

John's readers only have that Is 58:13 , Ex 20:10 and Mark 2:28 as their context from scripture...

Well, they would also have had their everyday use of Greek.

Bible Gateway passage: Proverbs 1:20 - New International Reader's Version

Wisdom’s Warning - Out in the open wisdom calls out. She raises her voice in a public place.

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