Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree, our work is not be the same as God. As you've said because we are not God. Thank you,

So, If our work is not the same as God, could that mean our day of rest would not be the same as His i.e not the 7th day but "another day" (thats what Hebrews 4 is trying to convey)?

There is no scripture that says because we are not God that we cannot rest the same day as God did. If you find such a text let me know.

But what we do have is the Sabbath commandment that tells us keep the Sabbath day holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10 and we are to rest from or works, just as God rested on the seventh day Genesis 2:1-3 Hebrews 4:4

 

[pasifika]

There is no scripture that says because we are not God that we cannot rest the same day as God did. If you find such a text let me know.

But what we do have is the Sabbath commandment that tells us keep the Sabbath day holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10 and we are to rest from or works, just as God rested on the seventh day Genesis 2:1-3 Hebrews 4:4

Try this verse which speak against Not entering into God's rest (7th day)

Hebrews 4:3,5..."So, I declared on "oath" in my anger, "THEY SHALL NEVER ENTER MY REST"(psalm 95:11)

which God's rest is the above verse is for? Is the 7th day is where God's rest?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Try this verse which speak against Not entering into God's rest (7th day)

Hebrews 4:3,5..."So, I declared on "oath" in my anger, "THEY SHALL NEVER ENTER MY REST"(psalm 95:11)

which God's rest is the above verse is for? Is the 7th day is where God's rest?

Christ rest and they did not enter due to disobedience Hebrews 4:6 and what was broken was the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13

Hebrews 4:10 shows there are two different rests. To enter His rest (Christ rest) we also cease from our works (Sabbath rest)as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 Genesis 2:1-3 which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and God’s holy day Isaiah 58:13 and a commandment of God Exodus 20:8-11 which means its not a suggestion.

 

[pasifika]

Christ rest and they did not enter due to disobedience Hebrews 4:6 and what was broken was the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13

Hebrews 4:10 shows there are two different rests. To enter His rest (Christ rest) we also cease from our works (Sabbath rest)as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 Genesis 2:1-3 which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and God’s holy day Isaiah 58:13 and a commandment of God Exodus 20:8-11 which means its not a suggestion.is

Is Christ different from God? Christ rest different from God's rest?

There is only one Rest not two. Called "Sabbath rest" or "God's rest" in Hebrews 4.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Is Christ different from God? Christ rest different from God's rest?

There is only one Rest not two. Called "Sabbath rest" or "God's rest" in Hebrews 4.

No, there is Christ rest and the seventh day Sabbath rest, they are not the same.

Christ gives rest He is not the 4th commandment.

 

[pasifika]

No, there is Christ rest and the seventh day Sabbath rest, they are not the same.

Christ gives rest He is not the 4th commandment.

So what you're saying Christ is not the one who created heavens and earth and rested on the 7th day in Genesis. That's why you said He (Christ) is Not the 4th commandment which reference to the creation account.

See Colossians 1:15,16, Hebrews 1:10

Can you elaborate more on different between Christ rest and Sabbath rest?

Also, where did it mention "Christ rest" in Hebrews 4 if it different to Sabbath rest?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So what you're saying Christ is not the one who created heavens and earth in Genesis. That's why you said He (Christ) is Not the 4th commandment which reference to the creation account.

Colossians 1:15,16, Hebrews 1:10

Can you elaborate more on different between Christ rest and Sabbath rest?

How did you get Christ who gives rest, not the Christ from creation. Christ gives rest, He is not the 4th commandment, you seem to be making this far more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[pasifika]

How did you get Christ who gives rest, not the Christ from creation. Christ gives rest, He is not the 4th commandment, you seem to be making this far more complicated than it needs to be.

Sorry I cannot figure this out. "Christ gives rest, He is not the 4th commandment"...

Are you saying the rest in the 4th commandment is not Christ rest but our rest (Sabbath rest )? Is it

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry I cannot figure this out. "Christ gives rest, He is not the 4th commandment"...

Are you saying the rest in the 4th commandment is not Christ rest but our rest (Sabbath rest )? Is it

The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 that is our rest . Christ rest is what He gives His believers- through our belief and obedience.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest (Christ gospel/ spiritual rest) has himself also ceased from his works (sabbath rest) as God did from His. On the seventh day Hebrews 4:4

 

[BobRyan]

Without using any tradition, how does a person come to the knowledge of what is the word of God?

A different topic. I will join your thread if you want to start that subject and you let me know about your thread

 

[BobRyan]

Is Christ different from God? Christ rest different from God's rest?

Christ is the second person of the Godhead.

Heb 8:6-12 says it is Christ speaking the TEN at Sinai.
Mark 2:28 "the Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath"

There is only one Rest not two. Called "Sabbath rest"

Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in Matt 17 before the cross. Two great examples of saints who were resting in Christ, saved by grace and the Bible presents them both as those who "Loved Christ and kept His commandments" -- neither of them is described as ignoring the Bible Sabbath.

Some of these Bible details are so obvious that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms them.

This is the easy part.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry I cannot figure this out. "Christ gives rest, He is not the 4th commandment"...

Are you saying the rest in the 4th commandment is not Christ rest but our rest (Sabbath rest )? Is it

Christ is the one giving mankind that Sabbath commandment. Christ is not "divided against Himself"

 

[pasifika]

The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 that is our rest . Christ rest is what He gives His believers- through our belief and obedience.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest (Christ gospel/ spiritual rest) has himself also ceased from his works (sabbath rest) as God did from His. On the seventh day Hebrews 4:4

Thank you SB, if Christ the one who gives the sabbath to man, why then His rest be different to the one he gave to man?

This is how Hebrews 4:10 is written without inserting our own words into the text.

Hebrews 4:10..for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His..

So, by looking at the text I can only see one rest that we need to enter into which is called "God's rest", and once enter we rest together with God..

 

[pasifika]

Christ is the one giving mankind that Sabbath commandment. Christ is not "divided against Himself"

So Christ rest the same as the Sabbath rest? Since Christ is the one who gives

 

[HIM]

Bottom Line: where is the evidence in Acts 13 that the Sabbath is still factually in force - that God still wants it to be observed? Are you suggesting that the fact that Jews continued to observe it on the Sabbath means it must still be in force? Surely not. Are you suggesting that since Gentiles also poured into the synagogues on a Sabbath means that God necessarily approved? Surely not.

So what is your actual argument?

He kept it. He set an example. If it was not to be then he would have set that example. But he did not,

 

[HIM]

Thank you SB, if Christ the one who gives the sabbath to man, why then His rest be different to the one he gave to man?

This is how Hebrews 4:10 is written without inserting our own words into the text.

Hebrews 4:10..for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His..

So, by looking at the text I can only see one rest that we need to enter into which is called "God's rest", and once enter we rest together with God..

Just as God did from His. Just like God did from His. God stopped working physically and rested.

 

[HIM]

Hi Him,

Thanks for the friendly discussion, I appreciate it. Yes I did take in account of Isaiah 56:8 and I am a bit surprised you think God's Sabbath,,,,, is fulfilled, I see v 56;7 - 8 partially fulfilled but not fully

Hey there,
What makes you think I think that

 

[GDL]

FWIW, IMO, Rom3:19 is mistranslated. When Paul speaks clearly of his thoughts of being "under law," which he uses in quite a technical way, he uses the preposition "hupo." In Rom3:19 Paul uses the preposition "en" which is most literally and basically translated "in."

A few English translations recognize this:

YLT Romans 3:19 And we have known that as many things as the law saith, to those in the law it doth speak, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may come under judgment to God;

NTE Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it is speaking to those who are ‘in the law’. The purpose of this is that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be brought to the bar of God’s judgment.

DRA Romans 3:19 Now we know, that what things soever the law speaketh, it speaketh to them that are in the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be made subject to God.

cc: @expos4ever @BobRyan

 

[BobRyan]

FWIW, IMO, Rom3:19 is mistranslated. When Paul speaks clearly of his thoughts of being "under law," which he uses in quite a technical way, he uses the preposition "hupo." In Rom3:19 Paul uses the preposition "en" which is most literally and basically translated "in."

A few English translations recognize this:

YLT Romans 3:19 And we have known that as many things as the law saith, to those in the law it doth speak, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may come under judgment to God;

The chapter states both in Rom 3:19 and in Rom 3:23 that this means "all " -- everyone on the planet.

Your example from YLT maintains that same scope for "all"
YLT Romans 3:19 And we have known that as many things as the law saith, to those in the law it doth speak, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may come under judgment to God;

"all have sinned" Rom 3:23,

So also in Rom 3:9
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written:
“There is no righteous person, not even one;"

so the "Every mouth" and "ALL the World" statements in Rom 3:29 are in that context of "all" where it is not "just all Jews" but it is very specifically Jews AND gentiles.

Thus whatever inference one might be tempted to pour into "in the law" vs "under the Law" -- it can't be redirected away from its end point - which is all the world.

 

[BobRyan]

So Christ rest the same as the Sabbath rest? Since Christ is the one who gives

Christ commands humans to rest on the 7th day and this was true in Eden in Gen 2:1-3 when He made it a holy day "for mankind" according to Christ in Mark 2:27.

No wonder then that it continues to be the day of rest for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath" not "From Christ to Christ".

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

The gentiles in Acts 13 don't ask for more gospel preaching on "the next Christ" - but on "The next Sabbath". In the NT every single time the term Sabbath is used for any kind of meeting, time, day, event - it is always the 7th day of the week.