the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

[apollosdtr]

The Nation called Germany did not exist before the Germans came... So that, calling any part of Central Europe by the name "Germany" prior to their invasion is an anachronism.*

"It seems to me that the existence of a pure Germanic stock cannot be demonstrated, whether in prehistoric or in protohistoric times. We do not find in Germany a pure dolichocephalic race, tall, fair, numerous, diffused widely throughout Europe; we find instead a mixed population of varying type in all the prehistoric graves of German territory.

Von Holder, the author of a work on Wurtemberg skulls which is of fundamental importance in the study of Teutonic anthropology, has found a series of the most diverse types, Germanic, Turanian, Sarmatian, pure and mixed, in his opinion, with no predominant Germanic type. Lissauer finds a mixture of forms among ancient Prussian skulls, while Virchow, who has examined a vast number of skulls from old Germanic graves, finds the most varying shapes among the primitive population of Germanic soil."
--Sergi, The Mediterranean Race, p.17

Old, discarded "race" theories. Got it.

Discarded by whom... mainstream media readers?

If so, then it's a very good thing whenever people are allowed to write their own histories, not bow to the MSM.

"Ujfalvy has found in the Hindu-Kusch the same types that are found in Europe"--Sergi, The Mediterranean Race, p.264

Full text of "Les Aryens au nord et au sud de l'Hindou-Kouch"

 

[apollosdtr]

"The Gish gallop /ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/ is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of quality of said arguments. The term was coined in 1994 by anthropologist Eugenie Scott, who named it after American creationist Duane Gish and argued that Gish used the technique frequently when challenging the scientific fact of evolution."--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

"Scott received BS and MS degrees from the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, followed by a PhD from the University of Missouri. She joined the University of Kentucky as a physical anthropologist in 1974, and shortly thereafter attended a debate between her mentor James A. Gavan and the young Earth creationist Duane Gish, which piqued her interest in the creation–evolution controversy."--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenie_Scott

""Scott describes herself as atheist but does not discount the importance of spirituality," said a San Francisco Chronicle news story. (Feb. 7, 2003) "Science is a limited way of knowing, looking at just the natural world and natural causes. There are a lot of ways human beings understand the universe — through literature, theology, aesthetics, art or music."
Eugenie Scott - Freedom From Religion Foundation

Research is useful.

So now you know what a Gish Gallop is. What's your point?

Slander terms that derive from political atheists don't have much effect on Creationists.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Discarded by whom... mainstream media readers?

Mostly discarded by the people sick of racism.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Research is useful.

So why don't you do actual research using current evidence?

Discarded by whom... mainstream media readers?

If so, then it's a very good thing whenever people are allowed to write their own histories, not bow to the MSM.

Ah, so you want to be a contrarian. Of course. Lugarian the contrarian. It even rhymes. No wonder there's been no real point conversing with you.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Slander terms that derive from political atheists don't have much effect on Creationists.

Slander means a false statements made by one party about another.

You posting loads of sources from outdated and antiquarian sources to try and justify a pseudo-scientific and historically racist view on European nationalities is not slander, since it is what you are doing.

Also, you're even using slander wrong since slander is verbal. If it's written, it's libel.

 

[apollosdtr]

Mostly discarded by the people sick of racism.

Well, since this website is still called christianforums...
I'd have to say that anyone who ever believed in "the chosen people" of the Old Testament would beg to differ with you.

And so would anyone who ever thought that the needs of his/her family came before that of all other people.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well, since this website is still called christianforums...
I'd have to say that anyone who ever believed in "the chosen people" of the Old Testament would beg to differ with you.

~~I didn't realize Christians constituted a people.~~ This isn't "Jewish Forums" and even if it would I would still find these posts disturbing.

And so would anyone who ever thought that the needs of his/her family came before that of all other people.

Families have nothing to do with this. A family is not a race or an ethnic group.

 

[apollosdtr]

So why don't you do actual research using current evidence?

... it's a very good thing whenever people are allowed to write their own histories, not bow to the MSM.

Otherwise, only those who have the gold make the rules.

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If memory serves, you can't serve both God and money.

 

[apollosdtr]

~~I didn't realize Christians constituted a people.~~ This isn't "Jewish Forums" and even if it would I would still find these posts disturbing.

Families have nothing to do with this. A family is not a race or an ethnic group.

You seem not to know that Judaism created Christianity... or did you think Paul was only a Roman? And even leaving Paul aside, there's still Matthew 15:24 "sent only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"... sounds pretty racist, doesn't it?

If you don't think families are inherently racial groups... try telling that to all the DNA researchers.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You seem not to know that Judaism created Christianity... or did you think Paul was only a Roman? And even leaving Paul aside, there's still Matthew 15:24 "sent only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"... sounds pretty racist, doesn't it?

A few Jews created Christianity, but that has nothing to do with antiquated and discredited "racial" theories about European sub-populations.

If you don't think families are inherently racial groups... try telling that to all the DNA researchers.

To the extent that racial groups exist, a family is not a racial group. A family might be *part* of a racial group, or it might be multi-racial or mixed, but racial groups (whatever they are) are MUCH bigger than a family. Defending your family is fine. Defending your "race" is ... disturbing. Did you miss the mid-20th century?

 

[apollosdtr]

Slander terms that derive from political atheists don't have much effect on Creationists.

Slander means a false statements made by one party about another.

Your atheist was creating a derogatory term for a creationist's viewpoint... I just pointed it out, is all. (shrug)

You posting loads of sources from outdated and antiquarian sources to try and justify a pseudo-scientific

And you're posting nothing scientific at all... only complaints about the source material...
... when you've offered no source material whatsoever.
I have loads of reasons why not to trust entirely globalist publishers...
... for one, they do what you do: They denigrate opposing views by calling them old-fashioned.
I haven't seen a whole lot of new-age-fashion for which I would jump off a cliff...
... what you choose to do about modernism is entirely up to you.
___________________________
If you don't like it, don't try to shout it down for months on end;
because then, all you're doing is forcing the topic into the view of people who haven't read it yet.
... just sayin'

 

[apollosdtr]

A few Jews created Christianity, but that has nothing to do with antiquated and discredited "racial" theories about European sub-populations.

To the extent that racial groups exist, a family is not a racial group. A family might be *part* of a racial group, or it might be multi-racial or mixed, but racial groups (whatever they are) are MUCH bigger than a family. Defending your family is fine. Defending your "race" is ... disturbing. Did you miss the mid-20th century?

Wouldn't have to defend Ligurians if they weren't victims of the Identity Theft which is calling itself History.
I don't see why the invaders are pretending that their invasion never happened other than they dislike Central Asia.
Indo-Germanism is still the rage... these days they call it Indo-European... pretending that everyone came from the East.

"After these important discoveries at Worms, Professor Mehlis occupied himself with the much debated question of the origins of the first Germanic and especially neolithic populations. Comparing them with the Ligurians of southern France and of Italy, he decidedly asserts that these neolithic dolichocephals of Germany are also Ligurians. ... I note with satisfaction the opinion of a German, who finds convergence or even identity of stock between the neolithic population of Germany and the Ligurians of Italy and France. Thus we are on the right road, and the Teutonic problem of the Aryans begins to find in Germany itself its natural solution: the so-called Reihengraber types are not Germanic Aryans, but belong to the pre-Aryan population."--Sergi, The Mediterranean Race, pp. 219, 221

So much for "European sub-populations"... This same Ligurian race was found in the Iberian peninsula, Italy, Western Europe, and Britain... looonng before the Barbarian Invasions.

In fact, this same comedy of errors happened when the philoceltic slapped celtic labels on Druidic monuments... but even Rhys was forced to admit that the Druids were pre-Celtic people. They're Silurians, in fact. The Ligurians were later called Sallyes at Marselles... the same Latin rhotacism which made Ligues into Ligures called the Sallyes the Silures in Wales. These are all Ligurian people. The pre-Greek Marselles Nemeton is Druidic-Ligurian.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your atheist was creating a derogatory term for a creationist's viewpoint... I just pointed it out, is all. (shrug)

It's rhetorical form named for a master of the technique. It involves spitting out so many "facts" (typically that aren't actually true) that your debating partner can't possibly answer them all and the audience thinks you win by default due to the failure to fully respond. That it was named for an infamous creationist by an anti-creationist says nothing about the partisanship of anyone using or receiving such an accusation.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Otherwise, only those who have the gold make the rules.

Money Changes Everything: How Global Prosperity Is Reshaping Our Needs, Values, and Lifestyles: Marber, Peter
"The debate on globalization is over. Globalization has won, and it's working. In "Money Changes Everything," Peter Marber offers incontrovertible proof that new prosperity is spreading worldwide and transforming everything it touches: culture, religion, families, politics, education, leisure, and much more. Marber reveals what to expect in your own life, business, and investments--and how to profit from the deepest and most rapid changes in human history."

Money Changes Everything
"In the aftermath of recent financial crises, it’s easy to see finance as a wrecking ball: something that destroys fortunes and jobs, and undermines governments and banks. In Money Changes Everything, leading financial historian William Goetzmann argues the exact opposite—that the development of finance has made the growth of civilizations possible."

If memory serves, you can't serve both God and money.

That really does not answer my question at all. You're raving.

Wouldn't have to defend Ligurians if they weren't victims of the Identity Theft which is calling itself History.
I don't see why the invaders are pretending that their invasion never happened other than they dislike Central Asia.
Indo-Germanism is still the rage... these days they call it Indo-European... pretending that everyone came from the East.

"After these important discoveries at Worms, Professor Mehlis occupied himself with the much debated question of the origins of the first Germanic and especially neolithic populations. Comparing them with the Ligurians of southern France and of Italy, he decidedly asserts that these neolithic dolichocephals of Germany are also Ligurians. ... I note with satisfaction the opinion of a German, who finds convergence or even identity of stock between the neolithic population of Germany and the Ligurians of Italy and France. Thus we are on the right road, and the Teutonic problem of the Aryans begins to find in Germany itself its natural solution: the so-called Reihengraber types are not Germanic Aryans, but belong to the pre-Aryan population."--Sergi, The Mediterranean Race, pp. 219, 221

So much for "European sub-populations"... This same Ligurian race was found in the Iberian peninsula, Italy, Western Europe, and Britain... looonng before the Barbarian Invasions.

In fact, this same comedy of errors happened when the philoceltic slapped celtic labels on Druidic monuments... but even Rhys was forced to admit that the Druids were pre-Celtic people. They're Silurians, in fact. The Ligurians were later called Sallyes at Marselles... the same Latin rhotacism which made Ligues into Ligures called the Sallyes the Silures in Wales. These are all Ligurian people. The pre-Greek Marselles Nemeton is Druidic-Ligurian.

Your commentary is all over the place. First off, you can't decide on what you yourself mean with 'Barbarian invasion'. Earlier you accurately described it as the forces that attacked the Roman Empire leading to the fall of Rome. That IS what is generally considered in history to be the Barbarian invasions. Then you switch it to groups that migrated into Europe LONG BEFORE Rome was even a thing, like the Ligures were an advanced group of people.

So you can quote Giuseppe Sergi, a man who didn't accept the view that Europeans largely got everything from the Germanic peoples and instead got everything from the Mediterranean peoples. A man who wanted to say that even the indigenous, Pre-Roman invasion cultures of Britain were descended from the Mediterranean. A view for which there is not a shred of evidence. No genetic evidence and certainly not cultural or linguistic.

Druids are not a race or ethnicity. It was a caste of priests in the Celtic societies of Europe. Yes, you had to be born the son of a druid to be a druid, just the same way you had to be born the son of a knight to be a knight. But that does not mean that either is a race or ethnicity. Yes, the Ligures had a culture of their own, that is a fact, and yes that fact does point out that these people lived in Europe before any major push of civilizations from the East. But that does meant that they are ultimately a unique or special people who the 'GlObAL ELytes!' want to see erased because they're somehow inconvenient to them. That is the course of human nature: civilizations replace those that game before.

The rest of your final passage is just... it's just asinine. You clearly have no understanding of how languages work at all.

Although you're an American pagan wanting to talk about European cultural identities, so what else is new?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Discarded by whom... mainstream media readers?

If so, then it's a very good thing whenever people are allowed to write their own histories, not bow to the MSM.

See, the serious problem with that is, when you let everyone decide that they were the top dog, the ubermensch, to borrow a term from a language that you seem to hate so vehemently, you get comments like yours.

 

[Ophiolite]

In fact, this same comedy of errors happened when the philoceltic slapped celtic labels on Druidic monuments.

Would you care to name two or three monument in the British Isles that you consider to be the work of Druids?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would you care to name two or three monument in the British Isles that you consider to be the work of Druids?

Two things confuse me the most: how he thinks druids aren't Celts or Celtic, and how he thinks that druids are something akin to a group or an ethnicity when they were a political-religious class.

 

[apollosdtr]

Your commentary is all over the place. First off, you can't decide on what you yourself mean with 'Barbarian invasion'. Earlier you accurately described it as the forces that attacked the Roman Empire leading to the fall of Rome. That IS what is generally considered in history to be the Barbarian invasions. Then you switch it to groups that migrated into Europe LONG BEFORE Rome was even a thing, like the Ligures were an advanced group of people.

So you can quote Giuseppe Sergi, a man who didn't accept the view that Europeans largely got everything from the Germanic peoples and instead got everything from the Mediterranean peoples. A man who wanted to say that even the indigenous, Pre-Roman invasion cultures of Britain were descended from the Mediterranean. A view for which there is not a shred of evidence. No genetic evidence and certainly not cultural or linguistic.

Druids are not a race or ethnicity. It was a caste of priests in the Celtic societies of Europe. Yes, you had to be born the son of a druid to be a druid, just the same way you had to be born the son of a knight to be a knight. But that does not mean that either is a race or ethnicity. Yes, the Ligures had a culture of their own, that is a fact, and yes that fact does point out that these people lived in Europe before any major push of civilizations from the East. But that does meant that they are ultimately a unique or special people who the 'GlObAL ELytes!' want to see erased because they're somehow inconvenient to them. That is the course of human nature: civilizations replace those that game before.

The rest of your final passage is just... it's just asinine. You clearly have no understanding of how languages work at all.

Although you're an American pagan wanting to talk about European cultural identities, so what else is new?

Comments, from the bottom up:

American Pagan... would that be the Indigenous pre-Americans that used to be called Indians?
How many Europeans do you suppose migrated to America, many centuries ago? Rhetorical Question.

* An African-American is a person of African heritage living in America. Do they need to stop talking about Africa?
* A European-American is of European heritage living in America. Do I need to stop talking about Europe?

The first definition of Pagan came from the Jews, and meant any non-Jewish ethnic religion. On this christianforums, it would seem to be anyone who is not a Christian or the member of another named organized religion... by virtue of reason, "pagan" was my only choice.

Your word "asinine" ... I think that's flaming, so I'm going to ignore that paragraph... you're welcome.

Caesar said the Druids came from Britain and that those who wanted to learn from them would have to travel to Britain. Knighthood was earned, not born. The pre-Roman invasion cultures of Britain... what does that even mean? The indigenous Silures, or Sallyes as the Greeks called them, had the same burial rites that the CroMagons had... red ochre burials in Paviland cave and in Liguria, etc.

You said: "So you can quote Giuseppe Sergi, a man who didn't accept the view that Europeans largely got everything from the Germanic peoples and instead got everything from the Mediterranean peoples."

The Germanic Barbarians who descended on Rome didn't bring civilization, but ended it.
... War is Civilization? ... Since when?
The strongest and most blood-drenched of peoples are the ones for whom the mainstream writes history.

"The three National Pillars of the Isle of Britain. ... Third, Dyfnwal Moelmud, who reduced to a system the laws, customs, maxims, and privileges appertaining to a country and nation."--TRIADS OF THE ISLE OF BRITAIN

 

[apollosdtr]

See, the serious problem with that is, when you let everyone decide that they were the top dog, the ubermensch, to borrow a term from a language that you seem to hate so vehemently, you get comments like yours.

If I borrowed your labelmaker, then I might be tempted to create the label "Germanophile"... so I'm not going to do that.

 

[apollosdtr]

Would you care to name two or three monument in the British Isles that you consider to be the work of Druids?

"The monuments we call Druidical, must be appropriated, exclusively, to the Aborigines of the midland, and western divisions. They are found in such corners, and fastnesses, as have, in all ages, and countries, been the last retreat of the conquered, and the last that are occupied by the victorious."--Davies, Celtic Researches

"Avienus makes only one direct reference to the Celts when he mentions that beyond the tin-producing Oestrymnides was a land now occupied by the Celts, who took it from the Ligurians."--Cunliffe, Ancient Celts.

"Bertrand and Reinach both maintain the pre-Celtic origin of Druidism."
--Wright, Druidism the Ancient Faith of Britain

"so we must pass on to the non-Celtic natives, who had another religion, namely, druidism, which may be surmised to have had its origin among them."--Rhys, Celtic Britain

"Professor Rhys goes so far as to refer Druidism to the Silurian race, because Caesar mentions Britain as the birthplace of that cultus, and it is of a character which he considers non-Aryan. It is almost certain that second-sight and other ecstatic moods must be referred to the pre-Celtic races."
--MacBain, Celtic Mythology and Religion

"Solinus ... states that 'a stormy channel separates the coast which the Damnonii occupy from the island Silura, whose inhabitants preserve the ancient manners, reject money, barter merchandise, value what they require by exchange rather than by price, worship the gods, and both men and women profess a knowledge of the future.'"
--Skene, Celtic Scotland,v1