Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath is fulfilled, in the true meaning for which it was given, it is not taken away.

Christ fulfilled the Law to honor parents - that did not delete it.
Christ fulfilled the Law to not worship false gods - that did not delete it
James 2 - to break one of them - is to break them all

Do you really think it is just a "fluke" that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today??

Here is a very good example of them saying it -- and yet you oppose what they say??
#53

How do you account for that? How is it Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate get this one point right about all TEN of the Ten Commandments still in force even for Christians and yet you are removing one? You have free will of course and can do whatever you wish but how do you account for that difference in this case?

 

[Clare73]

Christ fulfilled the Law to honor parents - that did not delete it.
Christ fulfilled the Law to not worship false gods - that did not delete it
James 2 - to break one of them - is to break them all
Do you really think it is just a "fluke" that almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today??

Here is a very good example of them saying it -- and yet you oppose what they say??
#53

How do you account for that? How is it Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate get this one point right about all TEN of the Ten Commandments still in force even for Christians and yet you are removing one? You have free will of course and can do whatever you wish but how do you account for that difference in this case?

You'd have my ear, Bob, if you Biblically demonstrated error in the content of post #11

 

[BobRyan]

You'd have my ear, Bob, if you Biblically demonstrated error in the content of post #11

I did that in post #12 pointing out that when you clam that the purpose of Hebrews 3 and 4 was to condemn the OT religion that we see in scripture so that Christian Hebrews in the NT would not be tempted to adopt it - is logically flawed.

As I stated before -- you can't condemn the OT religion by calling it "The Holy Spirit says" as Paul does in Heb 3.
You can't condemn accepting the OT religion if you say "WE have the Gospel preached to US just as THEY did also" as Paul does in Heb 3.
You can't condemn accepting the OT religion by holding the OT saints up to NT Christians as examples to be followed as Paul does in Heb 11.

The purpose of the letter to the Hebrews was not to condemn the OT text or the OT religion. Instead it claims WE have the Gospel just as they did.

In Heb 8 Paul points out that it is Christ speaking the TEN at Sinai and that the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers (what the many Christian groups in my signature line - call the moral law of God - ) was and-still-is written on the heart under the NEW Covenant that Jeremiah spells out.

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Paul does point to the end of the sacrifices and offerings at the cross in Heb 10 but Paul himself engages in them in Acts 21 and does not condemn others who do the same.

In Romans 14 Paul says that some people observe one of the holy days in Lev 23 above the others while another man observes them all. He says neither one is to be condemned.

By contrast in Gal 4 Paul condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day.

 

[Clare73]

I did that in post #12 pointing out that when you clam that the purpose of Hebrews 3 and 4 was to condemn the OT religion that we see in scripture so that Christian Hebrews in the NT would not be tempted to adopt it - is logically flawed.

As I stated before -- you can't condemn the OT religion by calling it "The Holy Spirit says" as Paul does in Heb 3.
You can't condemn accepting the OT religion if you say "WE have the Gospel preached to US just as THEY did also" as Paul does in Heb 3.
You can't condemn accepting the OT religion by holding the OT saints up to NT Christians as examples to be followed as Paul does in Heb 11.

The purpose of the letter to the Hebrews was not to condemn the OT text or the OT religion. Instead it claims WE have the Gospel just as they did.

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Paul does point to the end of the sacrifices and offerings at the cross in Heb 10 but Paul himself engages in them in Acts 21 and does not condemn others who do the same.

In Romans 14 Paul says that some people observe one of the holy days in Lev 23 above the others while another man observes them all. He says neither one is to be condemned.

By contrast in Gal 4 Paul condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day.

Verse by verse, Bob, Heb 3:7-4:13, of both the exegesis in the link, and its exposition, as I did in the content of post #11,
being true to its words, its context and the issues presented involving Canaan, unbelief, and God's own full-time rest remaining.

 

[BobRyan]

Verse by verse, Bob, Heb 3:7-4:13, of both the exegesis in the link, and its exposition, as I did in the content of post #11,
being true to its words, its context and the issues presented involving Canaan, unbelief, and God's own full-time rest remaining.

Nothing in Heb 3 says their religion was bad or that they were following wrong God. in fact Heb 8 says it is Christ in that cloud speaking the Ten to them.

Heb 3 says that some of them were in rebellion and refused to go into Canaan so then - they all had to wander in the wilderness and all from 20 years and older died in the wilderness except for Caleb and Joshua. But they were examples of failing to follow the God of the OT - of being unfaithful to their OT religion. It is not a story about the evils of following the OT religion faithfully.

Heb 3 is against OT unbelief in the OT God of the Bible

vs 1 says to be Faithful - just like MOSES (which is hardly a condemnation of the Moses or the God he served or the religion God gave Him to write out ). IT points out that Jesus and Moses are examples of being faithful to God.

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1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house.​

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3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.​

In vs 1-6 Christ is not " a better Moses" - rather Christ is GOD and Moses is a faithful servant of God.

In vs 7 we see OT religion spoken in the days of David - and we are told that this is God speaking

7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”​

Israel is made a type of the church and Canaan the rest which is the New Earth for the Church. Christians will not gain heaven/new-Earth if they are unfaithful just as those 20 and up did not gain the promised land in Moses' day . IN both cases the problem is not faithfully following the OT God - but rather one and the SAME God in both OT and present day - and unbelief as the problem in both ages to be avoided.

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:​

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“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”​

Paul says that the Word of God in DAVID's day "TODAY if you will hear His voice" still applies because it is a warning against rebellion and unbelief.

At NO point: do we see that the problem was keeping one of the Commandments (Sabbath for example) - that is never said to be the problem. Obedience is not the problem identified in Heb 3 or 4. ​

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.​

For those 40 years they had no manna on the exact Sabbath day -- and not one word in OT or NT gives the idea that God got it wrong or that rebellion against the Sabbath commandment would have been the key to success.

 

[BobRyan]

Heb 4:
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

The unfaithful unbelieving in Heb 3 and 4 did not enter Canaan. But the solution is not presented as "more rebellion against the 4th commandment".

We are put on the same level ground in vs 2 - with the Gospel preached to BOTH groups. (this is not a condemnation of the OT scriptures by a long shot)

3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:​

“So I swore in My wrath,​

‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”​

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”​

This is where Paul switched from the rest of Canaan which they did not have for 40 years - to the rest both groups have in choosing belief, choosing obedience rather than rebellion. It is using the "rest" aspect of the Sabbath to make the point.

So we see in Heb 11 many in the OT given as examples of those in the OT who were men of faith, of belief, of obedience. Who did enter that same rest we have today who also choose obedience, faith,

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,​

No we see that even today it "remains that SOME" must enter. So then SOME have not chosen belief it remains for them to enter rather than to choose to disobey the Word of God.

7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:​

“Today, if you will hear His voice,​

Do not harden your hearts.”​

He points us to the REST that was called for at the time of David.

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.​

The Sabbath is a good symbol of that rest because the Sabbath remains. Unlike the shadows of sacrifices and offerings that do not remain Heb 10:4-12 "He takes away the first to establish the second" -- the Sabbath remains and is a good symbol for the rest that remains.

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.​

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.​

The idea that more disobedience against a command of God is what is needed as the remedy - the text specifically tells us to flee disobedience.

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.​

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14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.​

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Heb 3 starts out telling us that scripture - the OT is "THE Holy Spirit says"
Heb 4 ends by reminding us that "the WORD of GOD" is powerful and is to be obeyed. Rebellion against it - is not the solution.

 

[Clare73]

Nothing in Heb 3 says their religion was bad or that they were following wrong God. in fact Heb 8 says it is Christ in that cloud speaking the Ten to them.

Are you not treating the OT Sabbath as though it were made for God, that it was about God?
It was neither about, nor for God, it was about and for man, about man's rest, and about which rest God was most emphatic (Exodus 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).

And why was that rest of man so important to God?
Because it was a pattern/type of his own full-time salvation rest of the New Covenant (to be demonstrated).

And thanks for the response, but I am asking that you Biblically specifically demonstrate (not just assert) verse by verse of the exegesis, and section by section of the exposition, any error therein. For example,
in the following from the link in post #11, please Biblically demonstrate why any comment in black text (Scripture is blue text) is in error.

Heb 3:12:
12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

[Comment: There is an issue of not holding firmly, of turning way (rebellion, apostasy), of unbelief, of confidence that was had at first by the NT Hebrews that the writer is addressing. They were considering a return to their OT religion, perhaps because of persecution by their fellow Hebrews, or threats of their families to disinherit them, or both, the reason can only be conjecture but, nevertheless, their return to Judaism would be apostasy.

This passage is actually the second of five warnings in the letter:
1) 2:1-4 - do not fail to hear the NT gospel,
2) 3:7-4:13 - do not fail to believe this word of God, a living power that judges with an all-seeing eye,
3) 5:11-6:12 - do not fall away (apostasy),
4) 10:19-39 - do not lapse back,
5) 12:14-29 - do not refuse God.]

Heb 3:15-19:
15) As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice (in the NT gospel),
do not harden your hearts (in unbelief of the gospel)
as you did in the rebellion." (and refuse to enter into Christ's NT salvation by returning to Judaism)

16) Who were they who heard and rebelled? (refusing to enter Canaan)
Were they not all that Moses led out of Egypt? (Nu 14)
17) And with whom was he angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned (rebelled), whose bodies fell in the desert?
18) And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? (refusing to go into Canaan)
19) So we see that they were not able to enter (the promised Canaan rest, Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 12:8-10) because of their unbelief. (as you will not enter his NT salvation rest because of your unbelief of the gospel and return to Judaism)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You treat the OT Sabbath as though it were made for God, that it was about God.

God said the Sabbath is My Holy day in His own Words Isaiah 58:13 and man was created in the image of God, so if God deemed the seventh day Sabbath as His holy day, the day of rest, we are to follow His example as the scripture tells us to Exodus 20:8 Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3, Sabbath is about our relationship with Christ a full 24 hours every seventh day Sabbath dedicated in spending time with God on His holy and blessed day. He gives us 6 days to do all of our work Exodus 20:9 and only asks for one day back.

It was not about nor for God, it was about and for man, about man's rest, and about which rest God was most emphatic (Exodus 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).

Yes, and when did God tell man to rest?

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And why was that rest of man so important to God?

Because it is about fostering our relationship with God and the day to honor Him...spending time with God is how we know Him and how He knows us. Those who says they know Him but does not keep His commandments is not being truthful 1 John 2:3-6

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Because it was a pattern/type of his own full-time salvation rest of the New Covenant (to be demonstrated).

Says no scripture text .

And thanks for the response, but I am asking that you Biblically specifically demonstrate,

Yes, please provide the text that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment the way God commanded, and we can edit it to our own liking despite God telling us not to. The Ten Commandments are in the Most Holy of His Temple where He dwells and the earthy temple was modeled exactly after the heavenly Temple, and God said no changed could be made to His holy commandments. Deut 4:2

not just assert, verse by verse of the exegesis and section by section of the exposition, any error therein. For example,
in the following from the link in post #11, please Biblically demonstrate why any comment in black text (Scripture is blue text) is in error.

Heb 3:12:
12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

Sin is breaking God's law which includes the Sabbath commandment. 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and what the Israelites were doing Ezekiel 20:13, Ezekiel 20:21 which is why they never entered into Christ rest. The author of Hebrews is asking for us to not fall in the same pattern of disobedience.

[Comment: There is an issue of not holding firmly, of turning way (rebellion, apostasy), of unbelief by the NT Hebrews that the writer is addressing. They were considering a return to their OT religion, perhaps because of persecution by their fellow Hebrews, or threats of their families to disinherit them, or both, the reason can only be conjecture.

This passage is actually the second of five warnings in the letter:
1) 2:1-4 - do not fail to hear the gospel,
2) 3:7-4:13 - do not fail to believe,
3) 5:11-6:12 - do not fall away (apostasy),
4) 10:19-39 - do not lapse back,
5) 12:14-29 - do not refuse God.]

Heb 3:15-19:
15) As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice (in the gospel),
do not harden your hearts (in unbelief)
as you did in the rebellion." (and refuse to enter into Christ's salvation)

16) Who were they who heard and rebelled? (refusing to enter Canaan)
Were they not all that Moses led out of Egypt?
17) And with whom was he angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned (rebelled), whose bodies fell in the desert?
18) And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? So we see that they were not able to enter (the promised Canaan rest, Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 12:8-10) because of their unbelief.

Yes, we do not enter Christ rest though our disobedience and to enter into His rest we cease from our works as God did from His on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3 which is why the Sabbath-rest remains for God's people Hebrews 4:9 NIV and we should not follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites who profaned God's holy day Hebrews 4:11. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Ezekiel 20:12

 

[Clare73]

God said the Sabbath is My Holy day

Biblical meaning of
Holy = set apart. . .from work and to rest in this case.

Set apart by him for rest because it was a foretelling, pattern/type of his own full-time Sabbbath rest for us in Christ, from our own works to save and in Christ's completed work which saves.

day in His own Words Isaiah 58:13 and man was created in the image of God, so if God deemed the seventh day Sabbath as His holy day, the day of rest, we are to follow His example

Feel free to Biblically specifically demonstrate in the following, not just assert, why any comment in black text (Scripture is blue text) is in error.

Heb 3:12:
12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

[Comment: There is an issue of not holding firmly, of turning way (rebellion, apostasy), of unbelief, of confidence that was had at first by the NT Hebrews that the writer is addressing. They were considering a return to their OT religion, perhaps because of persecution by their fellow Hebrews, or threats of their families to disinherit them, or both, the reason can only be conjecture but, nevertheless, their return to Judaism would be apostasy.

This passage is actually the second of five warnings in the letter:
1) 2:1-4 - do not fail to hear the NT gospel,
2) 3:7-4:13 - do not fail to believe this word of God, a living power that judges with an all-seeing eye,
3) 5:11-6:12 - do not fall away (apostasy),
4) 10:19-39 - do not lapse back,
5) 12:14-29 - do not refuse God.]

Heb 3:15-19:
15) As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice (in the NT gospel),
do not harden your hearts (in unbelief of the gospel)
as you did in the rebellion." (and refuse to enter into Christ's NT salvation by returning to Judaism)

16) Who were they who heard and rebelled? (refusing to enter Canaan)
Were they not all that Moses led out of Egypt? (Nu 14)
17) And with whom was he angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned (rebelled), whose bodies fell in the desert?
18) And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? (refusing to go into Canaan)
19) So we see that they were not able to enter (the promised Canaan rest, Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 12:8-10) because of their unbelief. (as you will not enter his NT salvation rest because of your unbelief of the gospel and return to Judaism)

 

[pasifika]

amen.

I Rom 3 we find that the Law of God - the Commandments of God applies to every mouth, all the world - even in the NT

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Hi Bob, so what is the "deeds of the law" in verse 20?

 

[BobRyan]

Hi Bob, so what is the "deeds of the law" in verse 20?

things like "Not taking God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

A lost person cannot simply "not take God's name in vain" so much that they become saved.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Feel free to Biblically specifically demonstrate in the following, not just assert, why any comment in black text (Scripture is blue text) is in error.

Heb 3:12:
12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

[Comment: There is an issue of not holding firmly, of turning way (rebellion, apostasy), of unbelief, of confidence that was had at first by the NT Hebrews that the writer is addressing. They were considering a return to their OT religion, perhaps because of persecution by their fellow Hebrews, or threats of their families to disinherit them, or both, the reason can only be conjecture but, nevertheless, their return to Judaism would be apostasy.

This passage is actually the second of five warnings in the letter:
1) 2:1-4 - do not fail to hear the NT gospel,
2) 3:7-4:13 - do not fail to believe this word of God, a living power that judges with an all-seeing eye,
3) 5:11-6:12 - do not fall away (apostasy),
4) 10:19-39 - do not lapse back,
5) 12:14-29 - do not refuse God.]

Heb 3:15-19:
15) As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice (in the NT gospel),
do not harden your hearts (in unbelief of the gospel)
as you did in the rebellion." (and refuse to enter into Christ's NT salvation by returning to Judaism)

16) Who were they who heard and rebelled? (refusing to enter Canaan)
Were they not all that Moses led out of Egypt? (Nu 14)
17) And with whom was he angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned (rebelled), whose bodies fell in the desert?
18) And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? (refusing to go into Canaan)
19) So we see that they were not able to enter (the promised Canaan rest, Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 12:8-10) because of their unbelief. (as you will not enter his NT salvation rest because of your unbelief of the gospel and return to Judaism)

Not really a response to my post and the scripture posted here does not change Jesus into the Sabbath commandment. I already went through these scriptures and in detail but will post it here again in case you missed it....

Hebrews 3 and 4 is addressing the disobedience of the Israelites and unbelief is used interchangeably as disobedience. Canaan has everything to do with this passage as it is a direct reference and why the Israelites did not enter into Canaan, their rest and Promise Land, which I notice you now acknowledge in your post.

Hebrews 3:16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Psalms 95: Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

The Israelites failing to enter into the rest of the Promise Land was due to their disobedience. Hebrews 3:18, Hebrews 4:6
What did they disobey…..?

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

God gives us rest, but does not take away the Sabbath commandment. In fact, the issue with the Israelites and why they never entered into Christ rest was due to their disobedience. Hebrews 3:16-18, Psalms 95:8 Hebrews 4:6 and what they disobeyed was specifically the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13 Ezekiel 20:21 and why the Sabbath rest remains (unchanged) for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV and which is why we are to cease from our works as God did from His on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3 we are to not follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites who did not enter into Christs rest. Hebrews 4:11

Like I said previously we are free to believe what we want, but there is no scripture stating the commandments can be edited and no scripture making Jesus our Sabbath commandment, this is a dangerous teaching leading people away from one of God's commandments and we are responsible for what we teach. Matthew 5:19

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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[SabbathBlessings]

Holy = set apart, from work and to rest.

Holy:

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specially recognized as or declared sacred by religious use or authority; consecrated: holy ground.
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The Sabbath was sanctified- set apart for holy use- to worship

What day does God tell us in His own words to keep holy?

Exodus 20:8-11, the Sabbath commandment

Set apart by him for rest because it was a foretelling, pattern/type of his own full-time Sabbbath rest for us in Christ, from our own works to save and in Christ's completed work which saves.

You keep saying this, but yet to provide a Text.
But in contrast we have this:

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works... lets let scripture interpret itself....

Hebrews 4: 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

 

[Clare73]

Not really a response to my post

Which post #68 was non-responsive to my post #67 which you were addressing in post #68, wherein my post #67

I requested a Bibilicaally specific demonstration, not just assertion (verse by verse of the exegesis, and section by section of the exposition) of any error in my presentation therein, which I again requested in post #69. . .to which this is again non-responsive.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Which post #68 was not a response to my post #67 which you were addressing in post #68, and where

I requested a Bibilicaally specific demonstration, not just assertion (verse by verse of the exegesis, and section by section of the exposition) of any error in my presentation therein. . .to which this is non-responsive.

You really haven't....you are wrong on this and I hope one day you can see it, Jesus is not the Sabbath commandment and never will be. He is our Redeemer and Savior from sin which is breaking His law and includes the Sabbath commandment.

 

[Clare73]

Which post #68 was non-responsive to my post #67 which you were addressing in post #68, where in my post #67

I requested a Bibilicaally specific demonstration, not just assertion (verse by verse of the exegesis, and section by section of the exposition) of any error in my presentation therein, which I again requested in post #69. . .to which this is again non-responsive.

You really haven't....

Non-responsive. . .

 

[BobRyan]

Are you not treating the OT Sabbath as though it were made for God, that it was about God?

I am treating it like it was made by God and that God calls it "The Holy Day of the LORD (YHWH)" Is 58:13
God says "the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD YHWH" EX 20:10

God "made it" Mark 2:27 "For mankind".

God is not "making God" in the Sabbath - He is making a day of rest "for mankind".

It was neither about, nor for God,

I am glad we can agree that God did not make it "for God".

He made it "for us". It is not God -- it is made BY God.

He is the one that shows us in scripture how it is to be kept, sanctified

He is the one telling us that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

And why was that rest of man so important to God?

God loves us

So He gives His Sabbath to mankind in Gen 2:1-3 in mankind's sinless unfallen state. Just as God gave marriage to mankind in man's sinless unfallen state.

Because it was a pattern/type of his own full-time salvation

Adam needed no salvation - Adam was created perfect, sinless and in full fellowship with God.

The same is true in the New Earth in Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross. "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

 

[BobRyan]

The works of the Law in Rom 3:19-20

things like "Not taking God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

A lost person cannot simply "not take God's name in vain" so much that they become saved.

Paul is not applauding taking God's name in vain -- rather he is pointing out that no matter how good it is to obey God's Word - that does not earn us salvation.

Still as we see in Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Because under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant - the LAW of God is written on the heart.

 

[Clare73]

I am treating it like it was made by God and that God calls it "The Holy Day of the LORD (YHWH)" Is 58:13
God says "the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD YHWH" EX 20:10
God "made it" Mark 2:27 "For mankind".
God is not "making God" in the Sabbath - He is making a day of rest "for mankind".
I am glad we can agree that God did not make it "for God".
He made it "for us". It is not God -- it is made BY God.

He is the one that shows us in scripture how it is to be kept, sanctified
He is the one telling us that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
God loves us
So He gives His Sabbath to mankind in Gen 2:1-3 in mankind's sinless unfallen state.

There is no Sabbath observance before Ex 16, and it was not an official covenant obligation until Sinai (Ne 9:13-14).

Just as God gave marriage to mankind in man's sinless unfallen state.

Not seeing what unfallen/fallen state has to do with marriage.

Adam needed no salvation -
Adam was created perfect, sinless and in full fellowship with God.

Where do we find Sabbath observance by man before Ex 16?

The same is true in the New Earth in Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross. "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

"At the new heavens and new earth" of Is 66:22-23 is eternity, perfectly in keeping with eternal Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ.
And "Sabbath to Sabbath" is full time, from Saturday to Saturday, which again, is eternal Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ.

Nevertheless, it still remains that I have demonstrated Heb 3:7-4:13 (in which demonstration you have shown no error) to present God's own full-time Sabbath rest in the NT gospel of salvation.

Thanks, but again, ya' haven't done what I requested in post #67.