WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[trophy33]

No I'm not ..... there is some law in place (not changeable) ..... what law?

If you are talking about Mt 5:18, then its the Mosaic Law with all its commandments and prophets. Its not in place anymore.

And it has never been given to nations, only to Israel.

 

[eleos1954]

If you are talking about Mt 5:18, then its the Mosaic Law with all its commandments and prophets. Its not in place anymore.

And it has never been given to nations, only to Israel.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

What law?

 

[trophy33]

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

What law?

In the context of R 3:31, the Mosaic Law.

But the sentence does not mean what you think it means. Read the context of Romans 3.

 

[eleos1954]

In the context of R 3:31, the Mosaic Law.

But the sentence does not mean what you think it means. Read the context of Romans 3.

Romans 3

29Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

We absolutely establish the law (the 10) because it reveals our sin

Romans 2:12-29​

The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands. The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands, they are their own law, even though they do not have the Law. Their conduct shows that what the Law commands is written in their hearts.

What law commands what is written in their (gentiles) hearts?

 

[Leaf473]

The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands...

Do we see gentiles not working on the Sabbath by instinct? We definitely see them avoiding murder and stealing, stuff like that.

 

[expos4ever]

Jesus was sinless .... period! He did not break any laws whatsoever.

Questions for you: Is Jesus "equal" to God? If He is, then does He or does He not have the authority to declare that the time of the Law has come to an end? Since I assume the answers to these questions will be "yes", it follows that it is at least possible for Jesus to declare the Law has come to an end, leaving Him free to do things that would otherwise be prohibited by the law, and to therefore do so without sinning. What is your response to this? Does Jesus not have authority over the Law?

 

[pasifika]

Questions for you: Is Jesus "equal" to God? If He is, then does He or does He not have the authority to declare that the time of the Law has come to an end? Since I assume the answers to these questions will be "yes", it follows that it is at least possible for Jesus to declare the Law has come to an end, leaving Him free to do things that would otherwise be prohibited by the law, and to therefore do so without sinning. What is your response to this? Does Jesus not have authority over the Law?

Yes exactly! when Jesus begins His ministry He was God in the flesh, this is evident in His baptism when the voice of God spoke and declare Jesus as His Beloved Son (the Christ/the Lord). As you rightly pointed out that He has authority over the Law.

 

[trophy33]

Romans 3

29Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

We absolutely establish the law (the 10) because it reveals our sin

The context of R 3 is more than 3 verses back.

The verse "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law." means that the Christian faith is confirmed by the Mosaic Law, too.
It does not mean that Christians are given the Mosaic Law to keep.

Romans 2:12-29​

The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands. The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands, they are their own law, even though they do not have the Law. Their conduct shows that what the Law commands is written in their hearts.

What law commands what is written in their (gentiles) hearts?

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them
BSB

The moral laws of the Mosaic Law are written in the hearts of all people who live in a rational society, be it Greeks, Romans or anybody else. Because those rules are needed for the society to work. "I will not take your wife if you will not take mine".

 

[expos4ever]

The Jewish leaders had made up their own rules ..... and they were attempting to use their rules against Jesus and disciples ie eating grain on the Sabbath (thus accusing them of breaking the 4th commandment). Their rules claimed that he was reaping (harvesting) with such an action.

When the disciples plucked heads of grain to eat with their hands, they were simply eating. His action was completely valid according to the Torah: “When you come into your neighbor’s standing grain, then you may pluck the ears with your hand; but you shall not use a sickle (reaping) on your neighbor’s standing grain” (Deut. 23:25). The disciples did not harvest (reap) grain. They picked heads of grain for food.

I think you are over-stepping on the Deuteronomy text. Here it is with a little context:

24 “When you enter your neighbor’s vineyard, you may eat grapes [u]until you are satisfied; but you are not to put any in your [v]basket.
25 “When you enter your neighbor’s standing grain, you may pluck the heads of grain with your hand, but you are not to [w]use a sickle on your neighbor’s standing grain.

You appear to be using this text to argue that what Jesus's disciples were doing was not "harvesting". But it seems pretty clear that this "rule" has nothing to do with constitutes the boundary between "permissible" and "impermissible work" on the Sabbath, but rather about not "stealing" too much of your neighbour's goodies, entirely independent of the matter of the Sabbath.

Look at this way so you can see the logical structure of the argument:

1. Suppose, for the sake of the argument, that it was clearly not permissible to even enter your neighbour's property on the Sabbath.

2. In that scenario, this rule from Deuteronomy still makes sense and would be interpreted thus: If you happen to go onto your neighbours' property, and presumably you would not do that on a Sabbath since that is not allowed by rule 1, you cannot use a sickle but are allowed to pick some snacking grain with your hand

While item 1 is a hypothetical, it nevertheless shows that we are not forced to interpret the Deuteronomy text as defining what constitutes permissible grain-gathering on the Sabbath. It could easily be understood, as I suggested, as a general rule to not take more of your neighbour's food than you need to sustain you in an emergency. Note that the Deuteronomy text makes no reference at all to the Sabbath. And it never remotely implies that it is providing a "definition" of the difference between harvesting and "legitimate snacking".

Besides, harvesting is harvesting - it seems a little suspicious to try to say that one technique for harvesting - using your hands - does not really count as harvesting whereas other techniques do.

But even if you are right - even if the Deut text shows that what Jesus's disciples are not "harvesting", I still think you have a big problem with how Jesus then explains Himself. And that is for another post.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus does indeed instruct his contemporaries to follow the law of Moses -

Yes He does so not sure why the issue with the law of Moses, just like Jesus condemns those who do not follow the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9

However, on the hypothesis that the law comes to an end of the cross, it makes perfect sense for Jesus to do so as the time is not yet come for the law's retirement.

Where is the scripture that says we no longer have to love God with all of our hearts or love neighbor from the law of Moses? There are lots of different laws in the scripture and not ALL laws ended, and you would see that if allowing the scripture to interpret itself.

The scripture tells us which laws ended....

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

It’s definitely not referring to any of Ten Commandments that were written by the finger of God, not handwritten and are not grievous 1 John 5:3

Here is the problem, I suggest with how you and others interpret scripture. You tend to take isolated verses and to build doctrine around them.

Good advice that you yourself should take.

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [a]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter

How does this isolated scripture you keep referring to fit with the rest of the context of God’s Word.

Here is the fruit of a saved person- are they without law?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The problem with your theory that we are without law makes man immortal and that was the first lie the devil told Adam and Eve. That they could sin (break God's law) and never die, but God said the opposite. Your theory without law also makes no need for a Savior and who do you think wants us to believe there are no laws we need to keep? Revelation 17:12 We either please God's adversary or God one path leads to condemnation, the other to righteousness Romans 6:16

In addition, we have strong indications from Jesus himself that the law is coming to an end, not least his overturning of the food laws in Mark 7 as well as His declaration that He, and not the temple as prescribed by the law, is the place to go for forgiveness. To the person with ears to hear, this is clear evidence that the law is coming to an end.

Just curious if you read the scriptures you post.....Jesus was condemning those who keep their laws/traditions over the commandments of God. Which is still happening today despite the many warnings in the Word of God.

Mark 7:1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands [in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Here is Rev 22:14:

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.

Interesting you choose to ignore the majority of the translations, that's okay I can work with this. What does it mean to wash their robes? What do garments represent in scripture? Are clean garments those who sin and are unrighteous or those and obey God and keep His commandments. Lets look at the next verse who tells us those who are outside of the gates to heaven...

Revelation 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 breaking any of the commandments 1 John 2:4 because all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

How does that compare to Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Those with clean robes repent from their sins, which means they have a change of heart, no longer want to be a salve of the devil who sinned from the beginning, but want to walk in the Spirit of God- who keeps His commandments John 14:15-10 Romans 8:4-9

There is no reference at all to keeping the Law of Moses here.

You might consider studying the laws in prayer because I think you have a lot of confusion in regard to the different laws in the Holy Bible.

Obvious circular reasoning - you simply assume that, this side of the cross, doing the will of God entails following the law.

No scripture tells us.....

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

How do you explain this verse? Can you do so without doing what others have done - editing Paul's words:

6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [a]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Jesus talks about this very thing....

Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Is Jesus releasing us from the letter of the law and we can now commit murder? Of course not, if we are living by the Spirit which is greater than the letter, the letter of the law would be kept. Jesus is magnifying the law Isaiah 42:21 just as it was prophesized, which means to make greater. Not only does Jesus not want us to commit murder, He wants us to change our thoughts and feelings towards our neighbor and change thoughts of contempt to love and compassion and in doing so "thou shalt not murder" would automatically be kept. This is what it means to walk in the Spirit. Jesus gives us the Spirit to help keep the commandments, not break them. John 14:15-18 and the Spirit is given to those who obey Acts 5:32

Those walking in the Spirit is not an enmity to the law of God, those walking in the flesh (sinning/without law) cannot please God.

Romans 8 :4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think you are over-stepping on the Deuteronomy text. Here it is with a little context:

24 “When you enter your neighbor’s vineyard, you may eat grapes [u]until you are satisfied; but you are not to put any in your [v]basket.
25 “When you enter your neighbor’s standing grain, you may pluck the heads of grain with your hand, but you are not to [w]use a sickle on your neighbor’s standing grain.

You appear to be using this text to argue that what Jesus's disciples were doing was not "harvesting". But it seems pretty clear that this "rule" has nothing to do with constitutes the boundary between "permissible" and "impermissible work" on the Sabbath, but rather about not "stealing" too much of your neighbour's goodies, entirely independent of the matter of the Sabbath.

Look at this way so you can see the logical structure of the argument:

1. Suppose, for the sake of the argument, that it was clearly not permissible to even enter your neighbour's property on the Sabbath.

2. In that scenario, this rule from Deuteronomy still makes sense and would be interpreted thus: If you happen to go onto your neighbours' property, and presumably you would not do that on a Sabbath since that is not allowed by rule 1, you cannot use a sickle but are allowed to pick some snacking grain with your hand

While item 1 is a hypothetical, it nevertheless shows that we are not forced to interpret the Deuteronomy text as defining what constitutes permissible grain-gathering on the Sabbath. It could easily be understood, as I suggested, as a general rule to not take more of your neighbour's food than you need to sustain you in an emergency. Note that the Deuteronomy text makes no reference at all to the Sabbath. And it never remotely implies that it is providing a "definition" of the difference between harvesting and "legitimate snacking".

Besides, harvesting is harvesting - it seems a little suspicious to try to say that one technique for harvesting - using your hands - does not really count as harvesting whereas other techniques do.

But even if you are right - even if the Deut text shows that what Jesus's disciples are not "harvesting", I still think you have a big problem with how Jesus then explains Himself. And that is for another post.

Making Jesus a sinner, means making Jesus is a liar because He said He kept all of His Fathers commandments John 15:10 and is without sin 1 Peter 2:22 so if you believe the lie of the Pharisees that Jesus sinned then there is no hope for any of us because Jesus could not be our Savior if He sinned.

The Pharisees were adding their rules to God's rules, there is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we cannot eat on the Sabbath Exodus 20:8-11 and sadly many take the side of the Pharisees who crucified Jesus without cause.

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus told a cleansed leper to offer an animal sacrifice.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 8:4 - New American Standard Bible

And Jesus *said to him, “See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.”

www.biblegateway.com

Luke refers to animal sacrifices as "the law of the Lord".

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 2:24 - New American Standard Bible

and to offer a sacrifice according to what has been stated in the Law of the Lord: “A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG DOVES.”

www.biblegateway.com

Obviously, we don't keep the law of the Lord the same way that Mary and Joseph did.

 

[trophy33]

Yes He does so not sure why the issue with the law of Moses, just like Jesus condemns those who do not follow the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9

Where is the scripture that says we no longer have to love God with all of our hearts or love neighbor from the law of Moses? There are lots of different laws in the scripture and not ALL laws ended, and you would see that if allowing the scripture to interpret itself.

The scripture tells us which laws ended....

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

It’s definitely not referring to any of Ten Commandments that were written by the finger of God, not handwritten and are not grievous 1 John 5:3


Good advice that you yourself should take.

How does this isolated scripture you keep referring to fit with the rest of the context of God’s Word.

Here is the fruit of a saved person- are they without law?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The problem with your theory that we are without law makes man immortal and that was the first lie the devil told Adam and Eve. That they could sin (break God's law) and never die, but God said the opposite. Your theory without law also makes no need for a Savior and who do you think wants us to believe there are no laws we need to keep? Revelation 17:12 We either please God's adversary or God one path leads to condemnation, the other to righteousness Romans 6:16



Just curious if you read the scriptures you post.....Jesus was condemning those who keep their laws/traditions over the commandments of God. Which is still happening today despite the many warnings in the Word of God.

Mark 7:1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands [in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”




Interesting you choose to ignore the majority of the translations, that's okay I can work with this. What does it mean to wash their robes? What do garments represent in scripture? Are clean garments those who sin and are unrighteous or those and obey God and keep His commandments. Lets look at the next verse who tells us those who are outside of the gates to heaven...

Revelation 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 breaking any of the commandments 1 John 2:4 because all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

How does that compare to Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Those with clean robes repent from their sins, which means they have a change of heart, no longer want to be a salve of the devil who sinned from the beginning, but want to walk in the Spirit of God- who keeps His commandments John 14:15-10 Romans 8:4-9


You might consider studying the laws in prayer because I think you have a lot of confusion in regard to the different laws in the Holy Bible.

No scripture tells us.....

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.




Jesus talks about this very thing....

Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Is Jesus releasing us from the letter of the law and we can now commit murder? Of course not, if we are living by the Spirit which is greater than the letter, the letter of the law would be kept. Jesus is magnifying the law Isaiah 42:21 just as it was prophesized, which means to make greater. Not only does Jesus not want us to commit murder, He wants us to change our thoughts and feelings towards our neighbor and change thoughts of contempt to love and compassion and in doing so "thou shalt not murder" would automatically be kept. This is what it means to walk in the Spirit. Jesus gives us the Spirit to help keep the commandments, not break them. John 14:15-18 and the Spirit is given to those who obey Acts 5:32

Those walking in the Spirit is not an enmity to the law of God, those walking in the flesh (sinning/without law) cannot please God.

Romans 8 :4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His

1. The Mosaic Law has never been given to Gentiles.
2. The Mosaic Law was given to Jews only till Christ.
3. Physical keeping of the Sabbath (or of any other day) has never been given to Christians, because its a fleshy observance and we worship God in Spirit

 

[SabbathBlessings]

1. The Mosaic Law has never been given to Gentiles.
2. The Mosaic Law was given to Jews only till Christ.
3. Physical keeping of the Sabbath (or of any other day) has never been given to Christians, because its a fleshy observance and we worship God in Spirit

Prove this through scripture.

 

[trophy33]

Prove this through scripture.

Again? It seems like you are resetting your memory every few days.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again? It seems like you are resetting your memory every few days.

No, I am requesting you use scripture instead of your words, which I have asked a few times. Our words are not equal to the Word of God.

 

[Leaf473]

That the law of Moses was given to Israel is clear from the way the people are addressed: "your tribes", "and you shall come there".

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 12:5 - New American Standard Bible

But you shall seek the Lord at the place which the LORD your God will choose from all your tribes, to establish His name there for His dwelling, and you shall come there.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Leaf473]

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9:4 - New American Standard Bible

who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and daughters, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the temple service, and the promises;

www.biblegateway.com

 

[trophy33]

No, I am requesting you use scripture instead of your words, which I have asked a few times. Our words are not equal to the Word of God.

We have been through that already. Read the letter to Galatians, to Romans etc. There is really no reason to play this game again and again from zero like it were the first time.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We have been through that already. Read the letter to Galatians, to Romans etc. There is really no reason to play this game again and again from zero like it were the first time.

I am not reading whole chapters, please point to the specific texts to make your case. It shouldn't be so hard if its there.

Something like this.....

A fruit of a saved person (God's saints) keep the commandments of God.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Its important to examine the scriptures from peoples statements as many are out of context and you wrote your statements so its up to you to prove them through scripture.