Outrage as Florida Republicans pass ‘fascist’ bill to remove trans kids from parents’ custody

[FireDragon76]

If she's unhappy with her treatment, she can have her day in court. That doesn't justify the expansion of state power into the private lives of individuals and their doctors.

 

[ozso]

Remember just a few years ago when the controversy was over parents letting their kids get their ears pierced?

 

[BeyondET]

If she's unhappy with her treatment, she can have her day in court. That doesn't justify the expansion of state power into the private lives of individuals and their doctors.

Not when there's information on when gender dysphoria happens, studies say around 60% don't even happen until the person is in their teens or adulthood. The human brain doesn't even fully develop until around 25 to 32 years old.

This issue should be treated as over 18 or even 21 like alcohol tobacco products.

Brain Sex Differences Related to Gender Identity Development: Genes or Hormones? - PMC

The complex process of sexual differentiation is known to be influenced by biological and environmental determinants. The present review has the aim of summarizing the most relevant studies on the biological basis of sexual development, and in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

. Observations from other intersex conditions—such as 5-alpha-reductase-2 deficiency—lead to assume a potential role of pubertal hormones in the development of gender identity. In fact, a study reported a high rate (56–63%) of gender role change from female to male during adolescence and adulthood [

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That isn't true, at least in the US. A doctor or clinician always has the right to refuse treatment on ethical grounds, if they believe the patient is not a good candidate for the medical intervention.

FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Historic Executive Order Advancing LGBTQI+ Equality During Pride Month | The White House

President Biden believes that no one should face discrimination because of who they are or whom they love. Since President Biden took office, he has

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Biden targets conversion therapy, transgender bans in Pride Month order

U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday signed an executive order aimed at curbing discrimination against transgender youth and drying up federal funding for the controversial practice of "conversion therapy."

www.reuters.com

Also;

MSN

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Remember just a few years ago when the controversy was over parents letting their kids get their ears pierced?

You equate ear piercing with gender transition therapy such as puberty blockers and surgery?

 

[FireDragon76]

FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Historic Executive Order Advancing LGBTQI+ Equality During Pride Month | The White House

President Biden believes that no one should face discrimination because of who they are or whom they love. Since President Biden took office, he has

www.whitehouse.gov

Biden targets conversion therapy, transgender bans in Pride Month order

U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday signed an executive order aimed at curbing discrimination against transgender youth and drying up federal funding for the controversial practice of "conversion therapy."

www.reuters.com

Also;

MSN

Nothing there prohibits a doctor from using their discretion in selecting appropriate treatments for a patient. It just prohibits discrimination based on gender identity.

 

[ozso]

You equate ear piercing with gender transition therapy such as puberty blockers and surgery?

No. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment to point out how crazy things have gotten lately.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hmm is that something you experienced growing up. that wasn't the case in my neighborhood we all played together boys and girls.

Of course we all played together.. But, ask a boy of 6 if he wants to kiss a girl.... Or, if he has a girlfriend. That all starts to change later.

 

[BeyondET]

Of course we all played together.. But, ask a boy of 6 if he wants to kiss a girl.... Or, if he has a girlfriend. That all starts to change later.

I had a crush on my kindergarten teacher I thought she was hot.

 

[BeyondET]

I am pretty sure the DCFS in many states has authority to remove kids from parents who would harm them

No kid should be subject to harmful radicalism from his or her parents which results in castration, mental abuse, etc.

No one has the right to victimize kids

Castration would be quick and easy, unfortunately that is not what is done. It's quite drastic.

It's peeled like a banana and reconstructed tucked endward. Basically mutilated. A female the opposite is done.

 

[FireDragon76]

Advancing these kinds of intolerant norms will ultimately hurt Christian conservatives decades from now when they are a negligible minority, and people decide to take away their kids from "abusive" homes.

 

[Eschatologist]

Advancing these kinds of intolerant norms will ultimately hurt Christian conservatives decades from now when they are a negligible minority, and people decide to take away their kids from "abusive" homes.

Whether or not Christian conservatives become a "negligible minority" is dependent on a variety of factors. Latinos seem positioned to become the majority in about 20 years, and a large portion of them would qualify as social conservatives of the Catholic variety.

Christian conservatives may eventually become negligible among the white population at some point, but it seems unlikely among Latinos.

 

[FireDragon76]

Whether or not Christian conservatives become a "negligible minority" is dependent on a variety of factors. Latinos seem positioned to become the majority in about 20 years, and a large portion of them would qualify as social conservatives of the Catholic variety.

Do you think they are immune to the same social forces that affected the rest of the US?.

The associate pastor at our church (UCC) is Latino (from a Pentecostal background, no less). The idea that Latinos are wed to conservative religion and reactionary cultural values doesn't seem to be evidenced in my experience. Most Latinos I know that are Christians don't exactly fit into the mold when it comes to political or social issues, most are moderate or independent and don't share the underlying cultural assumptions of white Evangelicals.

 

[Eschatologist]

Do you think they are immune to the same social forces that affected the rest of the US?.

The associate pastor at our church (UCC) is Latino (from a Pentecostal background, no less). The idea that Latinos are wed to conservative religion doesn't seem to be evidenced in my experience. Most Latinos I know that are Christians don't exactly fit into the white Evangelical mold when it comes to political or social issues, most are moderate or independent and don't share the underlying cultural assumptions of white Evangelicals.

I'm well aware that Catholic conservatives are different from Protestant ones. A good example is how the RCC recognizes evolution.

I also know that the leftist influences in our society will likely affect Latinos in a similar way to how it has with whites, blacks, and Asians. However, many of these influences do not sit well with non-whites. Blacks and Latinos don't tend to be as friendly with the LGBT agenda as whites are. Blacks and Latinos tend to lean more progressive on economic issues and on a few social issues, but they tend to be more alienated by trans people than most whites are. As far as I can tell, this is somewhat consistent across generations. Younger ones tend to be a little more open about it than older ones, but it's still less evident than with whites.

Whites, in general, are a more progressive group on social issues than most other races. As a recent study showed, white liberals are the only group to have an outgroup bias rather than an ingroup bias, for example. By contrast, the same study showed that all other races had strong ingroup biases -- oftentimes stronger than the ingroup bias of white conservatives.

You'll see something similar when looking at the world overall. White majority nations are far more tolerant of the LGBT agenda than non-white majority ones. As America becomes less white, it logically follows that our willingness to go along with this group will lessen. In short, it would seem to be a self-solving problem.

 

[FireDragon76]

I'm well aware that Catholic conservatives are different from Protestant ones. A good example is how the RCC recognizes evolution.

I also know that the leftist influences in our society will likely affect Latinos in a similar way to how it has with whites, blacks, and Asians. However, many of these influences do not sit well with non-whites. Blacks and Latinos don't tend to be as friendly with the LGBT agenda as whites are. Blacks and Latinos tend to lean more progressive on economic issues and on a few social issues, but they tend to be more alienated by trans people than most whites are. As far as I can tell, this is somewhat consistent across generations. Younger ones tend to be a little more open about it than older ones, but it's still less evident than with whites.

Whites, in general, are a more progressive group on social issues than most other races. As a recent study showed, white liberals are the only group to have an outgroup bias rather than an ingroup bias, for example. By contrast, the same study showed that all other races had strong ingroup biases -- oftentimes stronger than the ingroup bias of white conservatives.

You'll see something similar when looking at the world overall. White majority nations are far more tolerant of the LGBT agenda than non-white majority ones. As America becomes less white, it logically follows that our willingness to go along with this group will lessen. In short, it would seem to be a self-solving problem.

White liberals are only about 5-15 percent of the population. Most people, including Latinos, are moderates, not conservatives.

The notion that Latino people are anti-LGBT and socially conservative is a generalization of a group that is diverse and isn't monolithic.

 

[The Liturgist]

Whether you agree with parents giving their children the go-ahead to transition or not or agree with kids transitioning or not, you have to see this as fascist and completely wrong.

I have to? So we now live in an Orwellian state where I am guilty of thoughtcrime for not considering this legislation as fascist, but rather as sensible? For surely asserting what one must believe is a pathway to fascism, which endeavors to control opinion.

These children should not be removed from their parents. These kids are not being abused and a doctor has signed off on their care.

On the contrary, they are being abused, by being encouraged to disfigure themselves and potentially damage their organs due to a mental illness, gender dysphoria, which until recently was correctly regarded by psychiatrists as a delusion.

Also considering one can get doctors to sign off on euthanasia, the use of marijuana by persons under the age of 30, when the THC can permanently warp their mind, and until recently when new controls were put into place, on prescriptions that were massive abuses of addictive drugs, the signing off of these procedures by a doctor does not actually mean they are safe or harmless.

On the contrary, “Transitioning” will lead in many cases to sterilization, depending on the procedures used.

The reason why Florida needs to put these children in foster care is that otherwise, they are in grave danger of being taken out of state or out of country to a jurisdiction where irreversible medical procedures might be performed, permanently mutilating them so that they no longer conform to their biological sex, but rather become sterilized and androgynous, rather than healthy and fertile according to the chromosome God has blessed them with.

 

[The Liturgist]

Remember just a few years ago when the controversy was over parents letting their kids get their ears pierced?

Those were the good old days. The answer which I would probably say is “only to a minimal extent, at most, but preferably not.” There are better ways of attaching jewelry. My grandmother wore throughout her 79 years many beautiful earrings, and never had her ears pierced.

Tattoos are much worse, however, and the surge in tattoos among young people is distressing to me. Why can’t people make do with removable body art, if they must for some reason decorate their skin rather than appreciating its natural beauty?

The only legitimate use I have seen for tattoos as such are medical uses like guiding surgery and radiotherapy, for instance, in treating cancer, and also as a form of identification among the Coptic Christian youths of Egypt, a 10% minority of the total population, who have a small discrete tattoos of a cross on their right hand, so if they are abducted by Muslims, their Christian identity is indelibly preserved (likewise Roman Catholic youth in Bosnia, together with Albania and a portion of Turkey one of three Muslim majority countries in Europe, if one omits North Cyprus and Azerbaijan on grounds of legitimacy and geographic ambiguity, respectively).

 

[trophy33]

It seems to me that English speaking countries are becoming a circus of madness the rest of the world is watching with an open mouth.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Nothing there prohibits a doctor from using their discretion in selecting appropriate treatments for a patient. It just prohibits discrimination based on gender identity.

Allows the doctor to lose his license to practice and incurance. But keep supporting the insane policies of the LGBTQ+
insanity.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Advancing these kinds of intolerant norms will ultimately hurt Christian conservatives decades from now when they are a negligible minority, and people decide to take away their kids from "abusive" homes.

Protecting children from being mutilated will hurt Christians?

Children are being hurt with the help of the influencers and now the US Governent.