WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[trophy33]

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 NASB, NASB 1955, NKJV, KJV

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."
NASB

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
NASB 1995

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
NKJV

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV

Only the KJV says it, but has "the law" lowercase.

The Greek text:
Πᾶς ὁ ποιῶν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν καὶ τὴν ἀνομίαν ποιεῖ, καὶ ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐστὶν ἡ ἀνομία.

Anomia can mean:
a) being without a law, lawlessness (literal meaning)
b) wickedness, evil, corruption (metaphorical meaning)

Strong's Greek: 458. ἀνομία (anomia) -- Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression

 

[HIM]

"No it wasn't" is not, as even a grade 8 student can tell, an answer to the question.

"No it was not answered" is the full quote and it was said to me by you. And I say to you as I was said before, that is as far as I got. Meaning I did not read anymore of your response. Answer the points of the post to which you say doesn't answer your question or do not answer. I will say no more to you on the subject. Take care

 

[expos4ever]

So we can worship other gods now?

This is one of many obviously flawed arguments from those who insist the Law is still in force despite clear Biblical evidence to the contrary. We are, of course, and this is clearly Biblical, endowed with the Holy Spirit to guide us.

And I suspect the Holy Spirit is capable of nudging us back into line if we take it upon ourselves to decide to worship other gods.

It wasn’t the Ten Commandments that end at the cross. This is what still reveals sin Romans 7:7

Another flawed argument. Yes, the law revealed (past tense) sin to Paul, but that does not mean God cannot decide that it is time to replace this role of the Law with the teachings of Jesus and the guidance of the Spirit

Think, people think! The horse and buggy used to get us from A to B. Does this mean we cannot dispense with the horse and buggy and still get from A to B?

 

[expos4ever]

"No it was not answered" is the full quote and it was said to me by you. And I say to you as I was said before, that is as far as I got. Meaning I did not read anymore of your response. Answer the points of the post to which you say doesn't answer your question or do not answer. I will say no more to you on the subject. Take care

Let's go over your answer sentence by sentence:

HIM: Jesus said, We are the salt of the earth, a light unto the world but if the salt has lost its savor what good is it? In this context He continues to say that we are not to think that He came to destroy the law or the prophets He came to fulfil. The Greek word for fulfill means to bring something to completion, to its uttermost. In the sense of doing or fulfill. As when we do or complete the law or a prophecy is fulfilled or completed.

Where, in these words, is there anything that addresses my question. I think you draw the wrong conclusion when you say that when we "do" the law, we fulfill or complete it. But how does this tell us whether some elements no longer apply?

HIM: Since He said he was not here to destroy, loosen down the law or the prophets this is how the rest of the passage needs to be understood.

Ok, here you seem to say that the law remains. Now then, here is an element from the Law - does it still apply?

Now when the man with the discharge becomes cleansed from his discharge, then he shall count off for himself seven days for his cleansing; he shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in [a]running water and will become clean. 14 Then on the eighth day he shall take for himself two turtledoves or two young doves, and come before the Lord to the doorway of the tent of meeting and give them to the priest

HIM: Couple that with the fact the very next verse says in respect to the law, that not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all come to be. This all that needs to come to be would include us being the salt of the earth, the light unto the world since it is what instigated this part of the sermon in the first place.

So, tell us: do you think we are the salt of the earth yet, it is hard to decode your answer? If we are not yet the salt of the earth, then you have to believe that all the law remains in force that we should be slaughtering oxen and turtle doves. Is that what you believe?

HIM: Then to increase our understanding he continues to say that if anyone teaches against or breaks even one of these least, small commandments. They shall be called least in Heaven. How shall they be called least? The very next verse tells us they shall not enter at all.

Again, it sounds like you believe it is wrong to preach against even a single element of the law - so you appear to believe that we should be slaughtering oxen and turtle doves. Is that what you believe?

HIM: The mentioning of the least, smallest commandment discloses to us what law he was speaking of. He narrows it down. All of the least, the smallest that He brings up speak of our interaction with one another and God in the moral sense. In other words the laws contained in the Decalogue, and Pentateuch that guide our morality.

This is your "out" - your "argument" that only the "moral law" remains. But it is not argument, it is an unsupported claim - you simply claim that Jesus has narrowed the law down to its moral component. Where is your argument? It certainly seems that Jesus has not narrowed it down:

For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [g]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!

You clearly want it both ways - you want to agree with Jesus here but, like others in these discussions, you edit: you take "not [g]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter" and you effectively change it to "not [g]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter, except almost every that is in the law - only the "moral element" remains".

So, yes, you did answer the question, albeit in a very roundabout cryptic manner that, I suggest, is an effort to camouflage the fact that you are really editing Jesus's words.

 

[Leaf473]

It should - it is in Ex 20:8-11 and in Is 58:13 and in Lev 23:3

Right, and what I was getting at is that it sounds like a familiar New Testament idea.

Dude, so... honest question here: when you read my posts, do you actually try to understand what I wrote, or more of just looking for an opportunity to mock? Or something else?

As I said, honest question

Some Laws are shadows as Heb 10 reminds us in the case of animal sacrifices - but "do not take God's name in vain" is not a shadow and still stands -- as does the Sabbath for all eternity even in the New Earth Is 66:23

Hebrews 10 doesn't say that some laws are shadows, it says that the law has a shadow.
Σκιὰν γὰρ ἔχων ὁ νόμος

Animal sacrifices form part of that shadow, as do the rules about the Sabbath and God's name.

Let me know if you want me to explain that more ❤️

Good to hear from you again, my man

 

[BobRyan]

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."
NASB

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
NASB 1995

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
NKJV

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV

Only the KJV says it,

My post is now updated

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 ,
KJV -Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
AKJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
CJB Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.
CEV Everyone who sins breaks God’s law, because sin is the same as breaking God’s law.
KJ21- Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
BRG Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
ERV Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
EXB
·The person [L Everyone] who ·sins [commits sin] ·breaks God’s law [commits lawlessness/iniquity; C referring to the false teachers; 2:19–20]. Yes, sin is ·living against God’s law [lawlessness; iniquity].

GNV Whosoever commiteth sin, transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.
GW Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
GNT Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
HCSB Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
ICB When a person sins, he breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
ISV Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
PHILLIPS Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law. You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin. The man who lives “in Christ” does not habitually sin. The regular sinner has never seen or known him.
MOUNCE Everyone who makes a practice of · sinning is also breaking the law; indeed, · sin is · lawlessness.
NOG Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
NCV The person who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sin is living against God’s law.
NIRV Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, breaking the law is sin.

 

[BobRyan]

Animal sacrifices form part of that shadow, as do the rules about the Sabbath and God's name.

Your suggestion that the Ten Commandments are not the moral law of God applicable to all mankind, and written on the heart under the New Covenant -- is not very logical. But you have free will and can suggest whatever you wish.

Sabbath is for mankind since Eden Gen 2:1-3 which Ex 20:11 specifically points to - so it is no surprise that in the New Earth for all eternity after the cross - "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

If you would like me to explain more on why almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN"

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]many others as well..

I am happy to assist.

 

[expos4ever]

My post is now updated

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 , NKJV, KJV
KJV -Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
AKJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
CJB Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.
CEV Everyone who sins breaks God’s law, because sin is the same as breaking God’s law.
KJ21- Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
BRG Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
ERV Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
EXB
·The person [L Everyone] who ·sins [commits sin] ·breaks God’s law [commits lawlessness/iniquity; C referring to the false teachers; 2:19–20]. Yes, sin is ·living against God’s law [lawlessness; iniquity].

GNV Whosoever commiteth sin, transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.
GW Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
GNT Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
HCSB Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
ICB When a person sins, he breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
ISV Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
PHILLIPS Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law. You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin. The man who lives “in Christ” does not habitually sin. The regular sinner has never seen or known him.
MOUNCE Everyone who makes a practice of · sinning is also breaking the law; indeed, · sin is · lawlessness.
NOG Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
NCV The person who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sin is living against God’s law.
NIRV Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, breaking the law is sin.

Cherry picking.

Over 90% of the versions you have provided us with translate in accordance with your view that sin is breaking the law.

However, a completely neutral count of the translations provided by Bible gateway shows that only 21 of 58 translate that way, about a third as contrasted with your list where 90% line up with your view.

Well?

 

[trophy33]

My post is now updated

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 , NKJV, KJV
KJV -Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
AKJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
CJB Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.
CEV Everyone who sins breaks God’s law, because sin is the same as breaking God’s law.
KJ21- Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
BRG Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
ERV Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
EXB
·The person [L Everyone] who ·sins [commits sin] ·breaks God’s law [commits lawlessness/iniquity; C referring to the false teachers; 2:19–20]. Yes, sin is ·living against God’s law [lawlessness; iniquity].

GNV Whosoever commiteth sin, transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.
GW Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
GNT Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
HCSB Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
ICB When a person sins, he breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
ISV Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
PHILLIPS Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law. You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin. The man who lives “in Christ” does not habitually sin. The regular sinner has never seen or known him.
MOUNCE Everyone who makes a practice of · sinning is also breaking the law; indeed, · sin is · lawlessness.
NOG Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
NCV The person who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sin is living against God’s law.
NIRV Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, breaking the law is sin.

Why dont you quote some of more used translations? This is quite an exotic collection. And you again added NKJV that does not support the KJV interpretation.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This is one of many obviously flawed arguments from those who insist the Law is still in force despite clear Biblical evidence to the contrary. We are, of course, and this is clearly Biblical, endowed with the Holy Spirit to guide us.

And I suspect the Holy Spirit is capable of nudging us back into line if we take it upon ourselves to decide to worship other gods.

Another flawed argument. Yes, the law revealed (past tense) sin to Paul, but that does not mean God cannot decide that it is time to replace this role of the Law with the teachings of Jesus and the guidance of the Spirit

Think, people think! The horse and buggy used to get us from A to B. Does this mean we cannot dispense with the horse and buggy and still get from A to B?

is the Holy Spirit for or against the law? what is it "nudging" us back to? did the teachings of Yeshua uphold the law or destroy it?

 

[expos4ever]

So you suggest that NASB is not accurate. Lots of luck with that.

I never suggested anything of the sort. The NASB has sin is lawlessness, not breaking the law.

You also suggest that lawlessness is not transgression of the law -- lots of luck with that

A high school student will know that lawlessness, as a concept, does not necessarily entail violation of any particular law, in this case the Law of Moses.

You have free will and can suggest whatever you wish - but the text is pretty clear.

Indeed, when you cherry pick your translations, as you are clearly doing here, anything can be made "pretty clear".

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A high school student will know that lawlessness, as a concept, does not necessarily entail violation of any particular law, in this case the Law of Moses.

Within this context it does.

 

[BobRyan]

Cherry picking.

Cherry picking what?

this??

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
KJV -Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
AKJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
CJB Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.
CEV Everyone who sins breaks God’s law, because sin is the same as breaking God’s law.
KJ21- Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
BRG Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
ERV Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
EXB
·The person [L Everyone] who ·sins [commits sin] ·breaks God’s law [commits lawlessness/iniquity; C referring to the false teachers; 2:19–20]. Yes, sin is ·living against God’s law [lawlessness; iniquity].

GNV Whosoever commiteth sin, transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.
GW Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
GNT Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
HCSB Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
ICB When a person sins, he breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
ISV Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
PHILLIPS Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law. You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin. The man who lives “in Christ” does not habitually sin. The regular sinner has never seen or known him.
MOUNCE Everyone who makes a practice of · sinning is also breaking the law; indeed, · sin is · lawlessness.
NOG Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
NCV The person who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sin is living against God’s law.
NIRV Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, breaking the law is sin.

I only need one.. meanwhile you need something that says "Lawlessness is not transgression of the law" ---

I don't see any effort in that direction.

The point remains.

Over 90% of the versions you have provided us with translate in accordance with your view

I can see how that would be a problem in your view.

that sin is breaking the law.

However, a completely neutral count of the translations provided by Bible gateway shows that only 21 of 58 translate that way

Yet you still make no effort to support the suggestion that "Lawlessness is not transgression of the law"

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

 

[BobRyan]

A high school student will know that lawlessness, as a concept, does not necessarily entail violation of any particular law

You are attempting proof by "harrumph" followed by imaginary student.

We need actual facts.

 

[BobRyan]

Why dont you quote some of more used translations?

A lot of folks consider Phillips , AKJV, HCSB, CEV, KJ21 to be known Bibles that people read in addition to KJV. I don't have a problem with that -- do you?

 

[trophy33]

A lot of folks consider Phillips , AKJV, HCSB, CEV, KJ21 to be known Bibles that people read in addition to KJV. I don't have a problem with that -- do you?

How many KJV versions do you need?

Anyway, the Greek text is quite clear.

 

[BobRyan]

Only the KJV says it,

However, a completely neutral count of the translations provided by Bible gateway shows that only 21 of 58 translate that way, about a third

first its "only the KJV" then its 'only 21 of 58" then its "A high school student somewhere sees lawlessness as not transgressing law" ...

I think we get the point.

 

[trophy33]

first its "only the KJV" then its 'only 21 of 58" then its "A high school student somewhere sees lawlessness as not transgressing law" ...

I think we get the point.

The context was "only the KJV says it" - in your first provided list. Later, you did more digging and found some others. Please do not manipulate readers of this thread.

 

[BobRyan]

How many KJV versions do you need?

How many do you see here?

The NT says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
KJV -Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
AKJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
CJB Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.
CEV Everyone who sins breaks God’s law, because sin is the same as breaking God’s law.
KJ21- Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
BRG Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
ERV Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
EXB
·The person [L Everyone] who ·sins [commits sin] ·breaks God’s law [commits lawlessness/iniquity; C referring to the false teachers; 2:19–20]. Yes, sin is ·living against God’s law [lawlessness; iniquity].

GNV Whosoever commiteth sin, transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.
GW Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
GNT Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
HCSB Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
ICB When a person sins, he breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law.
ISV Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
PHILLIPS Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law. You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin. The man who lives “in Christ” does not habitually sin. The regular sinner has never seen or known him.
MOUNCE Everyone who makes a practice of · sinning is also breaking the law; indeed, · sin is · lawlessness.
NOG Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
NCV The person who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sin is living against God’s law.
NIRV Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, breaking the law is sin.

I only need one.. meanwhile you need something that says "Lawlessness is not transgression of the law" ---

I don't see any effort in that direction.

The point remains.

Yet you still make no effort to support the suggestion that "Lawlessness is not transgression of the law"

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

 

[trophy33]

How many do you see here?

At least 4.