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If Drag queens are the topic, why is everyone talking about transgender people? The majority of Drag Queens are cis gender.
Probably because many people can't really tell the defiance, because their not into the idology. For instance probably most people who aren't into the ideology don't know what "cis gender" is supposed to mean. I've been on all kinds of discussion forums since the 90s, and it's a term I never came across until fairly recently.

It seems to me that drag queens don't just pretended to be women, but rather transform themselves into being women. So probably to most people the difference is a matter of splitting hairs.
 
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There’s a fair number of coitizens who don’t care if they won’t “inherit the Kingdom of God”, why should they be forced to conform to someone else’s morals/traditions?
Bringing up scripture about inheriting the kingdom of God, is something I'll do when debating this matter with other Christians, because Christians are supposed to view matters like this the same way as apostles like Paul did. Rather than the way non-christians who don't care about what scripture says do.
 
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Probably because many people can't really tell the defiance, because their not into the idology. For instance probably most people who aren't into the ideology don't know what "cis gender" is supposed to mean. I've been on all kinds of discussion forums since the 90s, and it's a term I never came across until fairly recently.

It seems to me that drag queens don't just pretended to be women, but rather transform themselves into being women. So probably to most people the difference is a matter of splitting hairs.
Drag queens are pretending to be women.
But some people cannot make the distinction between make-believe and another person’s “reality”?
That’s a two-way street.
 
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Drag queens are pretending to be women.
But some people cannot make the distinction between make-believe and another person’s “reality”?
That’s a two-way street.
Sounds like splitting hairs still. And why does it have to involve small children now?

That's what it's always going to come back to. What a drag queen and what a transgender is, isn't really the issue.

The real issue is it suddenly involving small children to a large degree.

Outside of that, I doubt I'd have any interest in debating the subject of drag queens.
 
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They can't choose their sex; we both appear to agree that biological sex is a fact. They may choose a gender as the way they present themselves to the world.
Are claiming intersex is the third sex? It used to be called hermaphroditism. I don't recall any scientific discover that claims it's now a third sex. When did that happen. Changing a name doesn't create a third sex.
 
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Judaism has recognized and promoted 8 human Genders for nearly 2000 years now...

It's nothing new or novel.
Oh I didn't realize you believed in Judaism.

Gender is an invention that did not occurr until the mid 1900's. So no it hasn't been part of Judaism for 2000 years. Are you now trusting modern Judaism?
 
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Sounds like splitting hairs still. And why does it have to involve small children now?

That's what it's always going to come back to. What a drag queen and what a transgender is, isn't really the issue.

The real issue is it suddenly involving small children to a large degree.

Outside of that, I doubt I'd have any interest in debating the subject of drag queens.
This IS the issue. Well said.

We never debated drag queens before. They were off doing their own thing. But when they started involving children and started trying to indoctrinate and groom kids, well that's when we stood up and took notice.

If they went back to the life they lived before and left the kids alone, we be happy to shut up about them.

We are not
 
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Are claiming intersex is the third sex?
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but (once again) my claim is that biological sex is not strictly binary.
I'm not claiming it's trinary or quaternary or a rainbow or Belgian.
 
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This IS the issue. Well said.

We never debated drag queens before. They were off doing their own thing. But when they started involving children and started trying to indoctrinate and groom kids, well that's when we stood up and took notice.

Define Groom. Got any examples of Kids that have been Groomed? Who are they? where are they?
If they went back to the life they lived before and left the kids alone, we be happy to shut up about them.
Weird you don't feel such a protective streak when it comes to the number one killer of Children.... in that instance your answer is "Let's have MORE of it, Lets Make it EASIER."
 
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How ironic.
I mean, the very people who are sure that their consciousness will survive death and go to heaven for their reward, seem to want that to begin now, on earth, “enemy territory”.
I’m told that Jesus didn’t have an easy time on His mission to save mankind.
Why should our society be ruled by Christianity’s principles?
What makes them better than rules that we all make?
Sure, religion can “have a say” but if it’s overruled, (please, continue the good fight, that’s a good and necessary thing), but the tendency has been to ratchet up the rhetoric and that really needs to end.
Have a fine evening.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice if Republicans knew what they hated so passionately?
Yes the age old Republican bad Democrat good argument, so convincing and true. Or maybe politics are just an attempt at division among the people, and people have swallowed it hook line and sinker
 
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Yes the age old Republican bad Democrat good argument, so convincing and true. Or maybe politics are just an attempt at division among the people, and people have swallowed it hook line and sinker
The meshing of a major political party and it's seemingly corresponding religion seems to have done far more to divide than mere politics itself. Add the inevitable result of for-profit media groups and it should be no surprise we're here.
 
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The meshing of a major political party and it's seemingly corresponding religion seems to have done far more to divide than mere politics itself. Add the inevitable result of for-profit media groups and it should be no surprise we're here.
when you say "it's seemingly corresponding religion" are you implying those of the opposing party are incapable of being affiliated with said religion?
 
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then it seems there is no religion that is meant to be affiliated with one or the other political party
One party is filled with people who claim to be religious.
 
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One party is filled with people who claim to be religious.
true, i'm not sure what to say, i know democrats that believe in God, but the original work i referenced was mentioning religion and the republican party as the reason for division, i just wanted to keep with the whole theme of separation of church and state in the same way for the argument. If one wants that separation in politics then keep the separation in arguments about the politics as well.
 
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You're the only person who has brought up this idea in this thread, as far as I know. I have proposed the idea that biological sex is "not strictly binary".
Actually the idea of a spectrum was brought up by a number of people in this thread from the very first page. It seems to be a central aspect of the debate. This makes sense as Drag Queens are part of the same ideology that there is some spectrum of gender and sex and that its not binary.
You seem to agree that there are some 'exceptions to the rule'. So I'm not sure what your problem is,
The problem is that an exception to the rule doesn't make a spectrum nor undermine that sex is binary. A spectrum like in politics would have many varying views right along the political spectrum line from the hard Left to the Right. But this is not the case with biological sex. We have 98.98% of people occupying binary sex of male and female and a very very small exception 0.02 which are different.

If we applied that to a political spectrum the only possible political positions in reality would be the Left and the Right and a very small different position of 0.02%. Being that dominant most people would even question whether those occupying that small % was actually a political position in the first place.

Nevertheless regardless of how you define it sex is binary for 99.98% of people and can be used as the measure for most differences. In what other area of science do we claim that a difference of 0.02% should unedermine the facts and that we should change those facts accordingly. Even the fact that an even larger majority of people don't believe in evolution doesn't change the facts even if that means upsetting peoples personal views. It seems that because this issue involves personal aspects that it somehow must trump the objective and become reality.
but it seems your discomfort for certain societal trends that bother you (mostly not having to do with these exceptional people) is driving you to erase their existence.
No you are personalizing the situation with politics. Facts are facts and we should not bring subjective feelings into the equation. Just because these are facts of nature and someone acknowledges this doesn't logically follow that they are somehow trying to deny people their rights. The two can stand indepenedently.

In fact I would say ackowledging the facts is more conducive with supporting peoples rights as it acknowledges the truth of the situation which can enable us to better understand and support people in reality. But trans and gender ideology twists the truth with lies so that they can implant the ideology. You know your on swampy ground when it becomes all about subjective feelings rather than facts.
I have not seen that happening. But I do confess it's not a topic I've researched or of much interest to me.
If its not a topic you have researched then perhaps you should do some research and then be in a better position to understand. But I am surprised you have not heard of this as its been happening across society and even the subject of political social debate.

The Safe School Program is one obvious policy example of this ideology at work in childrens education. There are many other education materials that promote this such as the Genderbread and Unicorn Person which deletes biological sex and replaces it with a spectrum of sexes. Its being taught at Universities under Queer theory thats been around for 30 odd years. Now a new generation of teacher activists are entering education to promote the ideology. Its even influenced prestigious Journals where they claim sex is some spectrum.

Its also been implemented in government policy and many organisations support this idea in policy. Its influenced the narrative in society with ideas like 'sex is assigned at birth', its an offence to claim a man cannot become a women, we can no longer say women get pregnant or breast feed but rather people get pregnant, have menstral cycles and are chest feeders. Now women can have a male appendage and men can get pregnant. This ideology has been pushed for some time now is has turned reality on its head. Strange enough many people are fooled and support it because its garbed with Noble causes.

The shameful part of all this is that the scientific journal Nature, as well as three evolutionary biology/ecology societies, who should know better, made statements or editorials that neither sex nor gender are binary. That’s a flat-out abnegation of both their responsibility and of science itself.
A defense of the binary in human sex

JK Rowling recently drew fire on social media for tweeting the statements to the effect that “biological sex is real.”
As more and more people refer to themselves as trans, nonbinary, two-spirited, and gender-non-conforming, there’s been a push to realign the objective reality of biological sex to match one’s subjectively experienced gender identity. In the emerging view, the very notion of males and females existing as real biological entities is now seen as obsolete.

The view that sex is a spectrum is not confined to fringe critical theorists. It has made inroads into mainstream culture, thanks in part to a highly sympathetic media environment.

The Corrosive Impact of Transgender Ideology
In less than two decades ‘transgender’ has gone from a term representing individuals and little used outside of specialist communities, to signifying a powerful political ideology driving significant social change.
https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/2454-A-The-Corrosive-Impact-of-TI-ppi-110-WEB.pdf

FROM ‘BORN IN YOUR OWN BODY’ TO ‘INVENTION’ OF ‘THE TRANSGENDER CHILD’
https://www.cambridgescholars.com/resources/pdfs/978-1-5275-3638-8-sample.pdf
I am alongside you in rejecting that utterly. However, not everything is objective.
Postmodernism has been the overall background change in thinking in modern times and can be applied to just about everything. But the overarching idea is that there is no objectives or truth and everything becomes self-referential truth and up for dismantling. Basically making the subjective and relative the ultimate truth over the objective.

This plays well into gender and transgender ideology as reality of geneder aned sex is subjectively self determined. It began in the 80's and 90's with Critical and Queer theory and has progressed since infiltrating academia first and now is being institutionalised.

I agree that not everything is about being objective and if anything being a Christain you would think this is tantemount. There are certain aspects of reality that are real yet cannot be verified objectively. The difference is most theists acknowledge the seperation that these non objective aspects are different and don't replace the objective where necessary to become the only reality and if they do they are called out.

But if you notice gender and trans ideology is very moralistic like fundemental belief ie society is demanded to conform to the ideology and any divergence is regarded as heresy. The ideology is all encompassing and pushed as the only truth for reality trumping the objective and science. I guess like religion use to do in society. Thats why I say its the new religion but without the religious garb.
 
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Funny how "not wanting kids to get all messed up" is used instead of "directly contradicting the advice of doctors, parents, and development experts" which is what is happening.
But who said the doctors and development experts are right in the first place. We know the government fudges the truth with their so callede experts with climate change. We know that the medical experts and doctors have got it wrong in fast tracking gender dysphoric young people to transition and not address the many other issues causing their distress.

What one group thinks lewd another thinks is perfectly fine. Look at the celebration of 11 year old drag queens in the media when there is obviously something very wrong going on as was shown in the case of drag kid Desmiond is amazing being sexualized and made a performance icon for the progressive ideology from a young age.


Gender identity clinic accused of fast-tracking young adults

We know that surveys have shown that 60% of parents of school aged children think Drag Queen story time is innapropriate for children.
 
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