WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[sparow]

1) Because Jesus rose from the Dead on Sunday as testified by the early Church.


2) Because of the 8th day Typology in the Bible and its significance to the Church.

I wonder how many religions believe that; maybe there could be a poll?

In the English language the person using the words define what the words mean; so one could call Saturday the Lord's day, or one could call Sunday the Lord's day, but if one did that one would not be quoting scripture; you seem to be assigning all authority to the early Church that seems to have remembered only His name, certainly not the Sabbath, to keep it holy.

Why the Lord's day is Saturday or the seventh day; it is the day He is Lord of; it is the day He rested on and sanctified 2000 years before Moses, and of course before Abraham was; it is the millennium, the first day of eternal life and the Kingdom of God. Had John said, “I was in the spirit on the day of the Lord”, much confusion would have been avoided. Although, “the Lord's Day” is a translator/interpreter choice, and another choice/translation/rendering is, “I became in the spirit on the imperial day”, referring to royalty and Kingdoms. Only people with ulterior motives and extra-Biblical knowledge would presume the day to be Sunday.

Whether John became in spirit on Saturday or Sunday has no relevance to the revelation; had John meant he became in spirit on the great and terrible day of the Lord, that would be relevant, because the great and terrible day of the Lord is what Revelation describes. The great and terrible day of the Lords is as much part of confirming the covenant as was the crucifixion and as will salvation be; confirming the covenant that most Christians have abrogated.

 

[eleos1954]

...Because that's reserved for the Sabbath.

Comments and criticisms are welcomed.

He created the day (7th) called it the Sabbath and is Lord of it. It is what defines Him as the one and only creator and therefore He is the authority over ALL creation ... and when we keep it we are acknowledging these facts.

 

[sparow]

NOW WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

Let's ask God?

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day {G2962 κυριακή; G2250 ημέρα which means the Lord's ownership of the day}, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Q1. Dear Jesus what day is the Lords day according to your Word and not the teachings and traditions of men?

A1. Matthew 12:8 BUT THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY?

Q2. Thank you Jesus, so why is the Sabbath such a special day for you?

A2. Genesis 2:2-3 ..on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made and God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Q3. Thank you Jesus so the Sabbath is the Lord's day because you blessed and made Holy the "seventh day of the week after you created the heavens and the earth. So surely you do not need rest Lord. Why did you make the Sabbath?

A3. Mark 2:27 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH

Q4. Thank you Lord so you made it for all mankind and not just for the Jew. Should I continue to keep your Sabbath today?

A4. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Q5. Thank you Lord so the Sabbath that you made at the end of creation is for all mankind and as God's people we are to continue keeping it today. So the Sabbath really is "the Lords Holy day" and you want your people to continue keeping it?

A5. Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

Exodus 31:13 Speak you also to the children of Israel, saying, TRULY MY SABBATHS YOU SHALL KEEP: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.

Leviticus 19:3 You shall fear every man his mother, and his father, AND KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the LORD your God.

Q6. Thank you Lord, so the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken?

A6. Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> {Because it is a memorial looking back to the finished work of creation that JESUS made it a Holy day of rest for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day} [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God {This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK}: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. {Reference is backward not forward to Genesis 2:1-3}

Q7. Thank you Lord Jesus for letting us know your truth in regards to the Lord's day. So why do people call "Sunday" the Lords day when there is no connection or scripture reference to Sunday being called "the Lords day"?

A7. Danial 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, AND THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Matthew 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

Thank you Lord Jesus. So Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical and has led many to break your Sabbath 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Thank you so much for answering our questions dear Lord...

John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

.................

May God bless you all as you seek him through His Word

It seems to me Orwellian-ism was at work in the 1st 2nd and 3rd century. It is true the "Church" calls Sunday the Lord's day, but by the "Churches" own authority (as though the "Church" was God) not by the authority of God; to keep the Sabbath would have risked death. Mat 16:25

 

[sparow]

Someone arguing that THEY were free to "keep the sabbath" or to "not remarry" or even to "abstain from shellfish and pork" as an act of obedience to God, would find very few arguing against them (there are a few nuts in every bushel). However, for someone to stand on a soapbox in the public market and proclaim that God COMMANDS EVERYONE to "keep the sabbath" and "not remarry" and "abstain from shellfish and pork" OR ELSE THEY WILL BURN IN HELL! is a very different scenario and will generate far more opposition.

So YOU may follow your conscience to obey any and all OT Laws that you feel led to obey with the blessings of almost everyone, however when it comes to making your conscience into the burdens on another when Christ has FULFILLED the law: "Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." - Romans 14:4 [NKJV]

You have raised many issues that will probably lead me off topic. By remarry do you mean adultery? There are commandments and there is advice; Remember the Seventh Day and keep it sanctified is a commandment; do not commit adultery is a commandment; do not eat pork is a strong recommendation; there can be times when one has no choice but to eat wrong things and a commandment is not broken, but a person having contempt for God's advice would be better of breaking the commandments.

 

[FredVB]

We just do not have anything authoritive from the Bible to define the 'Lord's Day', and there is nothing for basis to see it would be Sunday. There is biblical basis for the day of rest, which we should permit any to have. The perfect will of God shows what was meant forcus from the beginning including what food is right for us.

 

[Davy]

We just do not have anything authoritive from the Bible to define the 'Lord's Day', and there is nothing for basis to see it would be Sunday. There is biblical basis for the day of rest, which we should permit any to have. The perfect will of God shows what was meant forcus from the beginning including what food is right for us.

Right. What John was most likely referring to was the coming "day of the Lord", which is what many of the events he was given to see was about.

 

[FredVB]

Right. What John was most likely referring to was the coming "day of the Lord", which is what many of the events he was given to see was about.

That Lord's day I cannot see basis to understand being Sunday, it is an imposition to it, it is meaningful for that day being the day God used for the revelation to John. who saw visions that were for writing about what was to come, with judgment from God also coming on all the unrepentant of the world.

 

[trophy33]

Bible was not given to us from thin air.

It was written by people and lived with people. And Sunday being the Lord's day is the oldest of tradition, even the earliest authors like Justin (100 AD) clearly write about Sunday being the Lord's day, without any dubiousness.

We cannot, in 2023, reinvent what it was supposed to mean.

 

[guevaraj]

Sunday being the Lord's day is the oldest of tradition, even the earliest authors like Justin (100 AD) clearly write about Sunday being the Lord's day, without any dubiousness. We cannot, in 2023, reinvent what it was supposed to mean.

Brother, happy Sabbath, which started this Friday April 7, 2023 at 12:02 am EDT! God has prepared us to resist your defense by correcting, through Paul in Hebrews, an even older tradition in Judaism on the Sabbath that shows the people He used to write the Bible can be wrong, while the Bible has remained consistently right from the beginning because it does not come from human will. Our only trustworthy guide is what is written in the guarantied word of God from the beginning through prophets. There is no personal interpretation of any of God's words guaranteed by the prophets.

For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:16-21 NLT)​

We are not qualified to alter anything God says because only God knows the way to use laws to separate sin from our character and any additional laws by us get in the way of God's efforts to free us from sin through His laws. We are "blind guides" and only God is not a blind guide to separate sin from our character through His use of laws. History repeats itself when we do not learn from the mistakes in Judaism. We are not qualified to write our own replacement laws, like Sunday in place of the Sabbath as done by our "fallen" mother church. Followed by most protestants to this day, despite God's warning to not share in her sins.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Bible was not given to us from thin air.

It was written by people and lived with people. And Sunday being the Lord's day is the oldest of tradition, even the earliest authors like Justin (100 AD) clearly write about Sunday being the Lord's day, without any dubiousness.

We cannot, in 2023, reinvent what it was supposed to mean.

We shouldn't reinvent God's Word and God does not want us to reinvent His Word and change it Deut 4:2 and condemns those who do Proverbs 30:5-6. God never identifies the first day as His day i.e. the Lord's Day, which is why no one ever quotes scripture to make this claim, because its missing in the Text.

Which day does God claim as His in His Word from the beginning (Creation) to the end (New Heaven/ New Earth)?

God not only stated His day clearly, He gives us the reason why.

Genesis 2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[trophy33]

Brother, happy Sabbath, which started this Friday April 7...

I do not keep Sabbath.

...an even older tradition in Judaism on the Sabbath...

This is "Christian forums", though. Not "Judaism forums". And in Christianity, the Lord's day has been Sunday, since the first century.

 

[trophy33]

We shouldn't reinvent God's Word and God does not want us to reinvent His Word and change it Deut 4:2 and condemns those who do Proverbs 30:5-6. God never identifies the first day as His day i.e. the Lord's Day, which is why no one ever quotes scripture to make this claim, because its missing in the Text.

Which day does God claim as His in His Word from the beginning (Creation) to the end (New Heaven/ New Earth)?

God not only stated His day clearly, He gives us the reason why.

Genesis 2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

We do not live under the Old Testament.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We do not live under the Old Testament.

The Sabbath is not boxed into the OT as shown in the scriptures many referenced on the post you replied to. The Sabbath is referenced over 50 times in the NT alone, still the commandment of God Luke 23:56 still being remember and kept holy by Jesus and the apostles every Sabbath. Luke 4:16 Acts 18:4 and the Sabbath continues on for eternity Isaiah 66:23 thus saith the Lord.

 

[trophy33]

The Sabbath is not boxed into the OT as shown in the scriptures many posted on the post you replied to.

Sabbath has never been given to Europeans to keep and I am from Europe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sabbath has never been given to Europeans to keep and I am from Europe.

Unless you are not human, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for humans. Mark 2:27. The greek word here is anthrōpon which means humans-beings. God wants all His children to keep His Sabbath day holy because we are made in His image to follow Him, not follow man, something Jesus warned us about Matthew 15:3-9.

PS- I lived in Europe and had no issue with Sabbath-keeping anyone can keep it, if they want to. The majority of people don’t keep God’s commandments around the world, but Jesus never told us to follow the majority.

 

[trophy33]

Unless you are not human, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for humans. Mark 2:27. The greek word here is anthrōpon which means humans-beings.

Jesus was talking to Jews. He never told Greeks or Romans that Sabbath was made for them.

The Pharisees [=Jews] said to him...
...Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mk 2:24,27

 

[guevaraj]

why the lords day is not saturday ...Because that's reserved for the Sabbath.

Brother, happy Sabbath, which started this Friday April 7, 2023 at 12:02 am EDT! Jesus, through Paul, has corrected the oldest human tradition in Judaism since Joshua in the book of Hebrews under the new covenant. Those with Joshua who "first heard" the "good news" of how to enter the Sabbath and were not allowed to enter by oath for 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land, did not enter the "day" of rest during those 40 years, which Joshua later entered at an earlier time than the Seventh day in the Promised Land, but Joshua wrongly assumed this earlier time was the seventh day. In the following passage, another "day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the first week of creation remembered in that time zone that falls in the Promised Land before the seventh day of the week. Judaism is wrong to think, since Joshua, that a day of the week is from evening to evening, as the sabbath falls in the Promised Land, when a day of the week is from morning to morning, as shown with Manna in the desert not allowing them to enter the Sabbath by keeping the seventh day for 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land.

So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:6-11 NLT)​

Every translation has mistakenly assumed that God's "expression": "the first of the Sabbaths" refers to Sunday when referring to Saturday, another way of referring to the seventh day of the creation week we call Saturday. This expression by God for Saturday is necessary because the Sabbath falls between two days of the week in the Promised Land as shown in the passage below. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

The "evening" ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of Saturday, as shown in the above passage and the one below where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Below, "as it dawns beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews 3 and 4. This means, Jesus rose on a Saturday night, after the Sabbath ended in the "evening", as that same "evening" began what God called "night" until Sunday began in the "morning". We speak from the point of view of what begins in the "morning", when the Bible speaks from the point of view of what ends in the "morning".

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus was talking to Jews. He never told Greeks or Romans that Sabbath was made for them.

The Pharisees [=Jews] said to him...
...Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mk 2:24,27

Jesus never said the Sabbath was made for Jews, you are adding your ideas to God’s Word, in fact there is no scripture that says the Sabbath is of the Jews, God only identifies the Sabbath as MY holy day Isaiah 58:13, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 one Sabbath to another for coming before the Lord to worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23

If thats not clear enough ….

Isaiah 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

I can only speak for myself, but I want to be in God’s holy mountain.

 

[trophy33]

Jesus never said the Sabbath was made for Jews, you are adding your ideas to God’s Word, in fact there is no scripture that says the Sabbath is of the Jews, God only identifies the Sabbath as MY holy day Isaiah 58:13, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

If thats not clear enough ….

Isaiah 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

I can only speak for myself, but I want to be in God’s holy mountain.

Now you are even using verses that mention burnt offerings and sacrifices that have ceased long time ago, therefore obviously obsolete texts.

And Isaiah was a Jewish prophet, talking to Jews before Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Now you are even using verses that mention burnt offerings and sacrifices that have ceased long time ago, therefore obviously obsolete texts.

God’s earthy temple was modeled exactly after God’s Heavenly Temple Hebrews 9:24, where the Ten Commandments are in the ark of the Most Holy of God’s Temple. Revelation 11:19

This is referring to God’s heavenly Temple and heavenly alter and this verse is referring to the prayers of the saints. Revelation 8:3-4 which this scripture says the Lord will accept if we don’t defile His Sabbath and keep His covenant Isaiah 56:6

It’s always surprising how many people argue against God’s chosen holy day of rest, given so we can be spiritually blessed by having a full day of communion with God to remember all that He has created for us and without us doing anything and remember He is the one true God on the day He sanctified and blessed. God gives us everything and asks for so little back.