Friday - Saturday?

[JohnD70X7]

There are those who believe the traditional Friday - Sunday death burial and resurrection of the LORD Jesus is not in keeping with scripture:

Matthew 12:39–40 (KJV)
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Early Roman scholars concluded with the Friday - Sunday time frame based on their limited knowledge of the Jewish feasts beginning with a Sabbath. They mistook the reference to the Sabbath and preparation day in several verses to mean Friday (the 6th day of the week). And though the resurrection of the LORD had already taken place and was later discovered early on the first day of the week (Sunday), it was also their mistake in presuming the resurrection did not take place until early Sunday morning. They also did not take into account that early Sunday on the Hebrew calendar is Saturday night at sunset on the Roman calendar.

Some scholars since have adjusted their beliefs (in accord with a literal Sunday resurrection) that Jesus died on Thursday and rose on Sunday morning (three days and two nights).

What is more likely (I will say it like this, for the sake of argument) is the 10th of Nisan took place on a Saturday Sabbath that year (when the Pascal lamb was to be chosen) and when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey (traditional Palm Sunday... Palm Saturday Sabbath more than likely). Jesus kept what some refer to as Galilean (Passover) Seder on Tuesday night (early Wednesday in Hebrew). Galilean Seder helped with the over crowding in the Holy City, but it actually stemmed from a slight ambiguity in the instructions as to when to hold the Seder (for two feasts, the feast of unleavened bread 14 Nisan and the barely harvest 15 Nisan). Official Israel combined the two on 15 Nisan as they do to this day. Poor Jews and Jews from other lands who went up to Jerusalem often kept Galilean Seder.

This was a brilliant way on God's part to make it so the LORD Jesus and his disciples could keep Passover that year (Tuesday night), and for Yeshua Jesus to be crucified on the day the Pascal lamb was sacrificed (Wednesday), and for his burial to take place before the official Seder commenced (Wednesday night) ← early Thursday in Hebrew reckoning.

Wednesday night (1)

Thursday (1)

Thursday night (2)

Friday (2)

Friday night (3)

Saturday (3)

Three days three nights.

And Yeshua Jesus rose from the grave on 17 Nisan Saturday Sabbath (between the evenings) as Sunday began (sunset Saturday night) to be discovered by the women after that sunset.

Today is Wednesday.

Happy Galilean Passover.

 

[JohnD70X7]

If memory serves, 17 Nisan is the traditional date Noah's ark rested on Mount Ararat.

Prophetic...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There are those who believe the traditional Friday - Sunday death burial and resurrection of the LORD Jesus is not in keeping with scripture:

Matthew 12:39–40 (KJV)
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Early Roman scholars concluded with the Friday - Sunday time frame based on their limited knowledge of the Jewish feasts beginning with a Sabbath. They mistook the reference to the Sabbath and preparation day in several verses to mean Friday (the 6th day of the week). And though the resurrection of the LORD had already taken place and was later discovered early on the first day of the week (Sunday), it was also their mistake in presuming the resurrection did not take place until early Sunday morning. They also did not take into account that early Sunday on the Hebrew calendar is Saturday night at sunset on the Roman calendar.

Some scholars since have adjusted their beliefs (in accord with a literal Sunday resurrection) that Jesus died on Thursday and rose on Sunday morning (three days and two nights).

What is more likely (I will say it like this, for the sake of argument) is the 10th of Nisan took place on a Saturday Sabbath that year (when the Pascal lamb was to be chosen) and when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey (traditional Palm Sunday... Palm Saturday Sabbath more than likely). Jesus kept what some refer to as Galilean (Passover) Seder on Tuesday night (early Wednesday in Hebrew). Galilean Seder helped with the over crowding in the Holy City, but it actually stemmed from a slight ambiguity in the instructions as to when to hold the Seder (for two feasts, the feast of unleavened bread 14 Nisan and the barely harvest 15 Nisan). Official Israel combined the two on 15 Nisan as they do to this day. Poor Jews and Jews from other lands who went up to Jerusalem often kept Galilean Seder.

This was a brilliant way on God's part to make it so the LORD Jesus and his disciples could keep Passover that year (Tuesday night), and for Yeshua Jesus to be crucified on the day the Pascal lamb was sacrificed (Wednesday), and for his burial to take place before the official Seder commenced (Wednesday night) ← early Thursday in Hebrew reckoning.

Wednesday night (1)

Thursday (1)

Thursday night (2)

Friday (2)

Friday night (3)

Saturday (3)

Three days three nights.

And Yeshua Jesus rose from the grave on 17 Nisan Saturday Sabbath (between the evenings) as Sunday began (sunset Saturday night) to be discovered by the women after that sunset.

Today is Wednesday.

Happy Galilean Passover.

You are wrong on so many aspects I don't know where to start. If the 10th were a Sabbath, the lambs would be chosen the day before or after since no commerce was allowed on Shabbat. Also, making an animal work by riding on it on Shabbat is also not allowed...also we know it was on a Friday that He was crucified because that is what the witnesses on the road to Emmaus on Sunday said happened.

 

[Yusuphhai]

 

[JohnD70X7]

Chag Sameach!

 

[JohnD70X7]

You are wrong on so many aspects I don't know where to start. If the 10th were a Sabbath, the lambs would be chosen the day before or after since no commerce was allowed on Shabbat. Also, making an animal work by riding on it on Shabbat is also not allowed...also we know it was on a Friday that He was crucified because that is what the witnesses on the road to Emmaus on Sunday said happened.

Shabbos 21:9
One may not ride an animal on Shabbos.
This is a preventive measure out of concern that one may come to cut a branch for use as a switch.
We may not hang from an animal, nor climb onto an animal before Shabbos in order to continue sitting on it on Shabbos.

Interesting.

Furthermore...

Healing is not something explicitly permitted in the Torah.
The Hebrew Bible contains no incidents of healing on Shabbat.
The sages who set about codifying Jewish law classified healing as “work.”

Jesus healed on Shabbat. Called those who objected to it hypocrites.

Riding a foal of a donkey on Shabbos and the laying of palm branches indicated something bigger that keeping shabbat was going on.

And the men on the road to Emmaus said it was the third day since the events took place. So?

You are obviously defending the human tradition you were taught.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Shabbos 21:9
One may not ride an animal on Shabbos.
This is a preventive measure out of concern that one may come to cut a branch for use as a switch.
We may not hang from an animal, nor climb onto an animal before Shabbos in order to continue sitting on it on Shabbos.

Interesting.

Furthermore...

Healing is not something explicitly permitted in the Torah.
The Hebrew Bible contains no incidents of healing on Shabbat.
The sages who set about codifying Jewish law classified healing as “work.”

Jesus healed on Shabbat. Called those who objected to it hypocrites.

Riding a foal of a donkey on Shabbos and the laying of palm branches indicated something bigger that keeping shabbat was going on.

And the men on the road to Emmaus said it was the third day since the events took place. So?

You are obviously defending the human tradition you were taught.

Healing is a mitzvah and is not prohibited on Shabbat. Luke 6:9 and Luke 14:3-6. So what? The eyewitnesses on the rd to Emmaus prove your theory of Wednesday WRONG or can't you count??? You are defending your personal made up theory that is not biblical.

 

[Yusuphhai]

any time, Healing is not the best rest? restroom means rest place whenever one need.

 

[Laureate]

If in deed Yeshua was placed in a tomb just before sundown on a Friday, then sundown Saturday would constitute one full day, yet he rose from the tomb early Sunday before the Sun could breach the horizon at 6 a.m. wherefore Yeshua would have spent less than 36 hours (1 1/2 days) in the tomb.

If one follows this line of thought, then they must also concede that Yeshua’s declaration of 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth was not fulfilled by his resting in a tomb scarcely spanning the space of 3 days (located above the earth, not in the earth) for two nights and one day.

Personally I believe his 3 days and 3 nights is a reference to his return in the second advent, i.e., three thousand years, which aligns with the Seven thousandth year (Sabbath) from the creation account.

On the other hand, one should also know that the word Sabbath does not only apply to the weekly Sabbath, it equally applies to the three annual Sabbaths, and Passover happens to be reckoned among them.

If one holds fast to Yeshua’s reference of 3 days and 3 nights being fulfilled by his duration in the tomb, then they should also consider counting backwards from Sunday 6 a.m. and see where 3 days and 3 nights lands them, even then, one must concede and or reconcile the fact that a tomb located above ground is not a tomb located in the heart of the earth.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If one follows this line of thought, then they must also concede that Yeshua’s declaration of 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth was not fulfilled by his resting in a tomb scarcely spanning the space of 3 days (located above the earth, not in the earth) for two nights and one day.

If one holds fast to Yeshua’s reference of 3 days and 3 nights being fulfilled by his duration in the tomb, then they should also consider counting backwards from Sunday 6 a.m. and see where 3 days and 3 nights lands them, even then, one must concede and or reconcile the fact that a tomb located above ground is not a tomb located in the heart of the earth.

Does the earth have an actual literal heart? It means dead and buried. It is a metaphor, an idiom, a figure of speech. Was Herod a literal fox when Yeshua called him that? Same with three days and 3 nights (where He also said on the third day and in three days). Three days and three nights were an "homage" to the story of Yonah. He compares His burial with being in the belly of the great sea beast! Yonah was in the "heart of the sea" (Jonah 2:2-3) just as Yeshua was in the "heart of the earth." Just as Yonah was "vomited" back so Yeshua was raised from His tomb. Yeshua said that the men of Nineveh will stand at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now One greater than Jonah is here." Ninevah was spared because they repented, but Yerushalayim was not spared...

 

[Laureate]

Does the earth have an actual literal heart? It means dead and buried. It is a metaphor, an idiom, a figure of speech. Was Herod a literal fox when Yeshua called him that? Same with three days and 3 nights (where He also said on the third day and in three days). Three days and three nights were an "homage" to the story of Yonah. He compares His burial with being in the belly of the great sea beast! Yonah was in the "heart of the sea" (Jonah 2:2-3) just as Yeshua was in the "heart of the earth." Just as Yonah was "vomited" back so Yeshua was raised from His tomb. Yeshua said that the men of Nineveh will stand at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now One greater than Jonah is here." Ninevah was spared because they repented, but Yerushalayim was not spared...

Is the Earth Alive? If yes, then it also has a Heart, if no, then I would have to ask you to reconsider what is blatantly obvious to many of us.

From where did the Rock & Consuming Fire Rise and appear unto the Children of Ishrael, if not a Great Mountain Burning with Fire, which Merriam (in her song) referred to as the Abode of Alohym, the same called Moshé up into the Mountain to receive the Ten Commandments and in Deuteronomy 4 אל שדי El Shadai [lit., The (Sovereign) Earth] declared that this was performed so that they might Know he יהוה is the Alohym in Heaven above and in the Earth Beneath.

For Heaven [the Earth’s Atmosphere, which was created on day two when Alohym caused a Gaseous Expanse in the Water to form שמים the Air which we breathe, where the Birds Fly, Trees sway, and Mountains loom upward and into], yes Heaven (not outer darkness, nor a vacuum of darkness), Heaven is the Throne of יהוה אלהים aka אל שדי , yet the only Rock and Consuming Fire that I see Sitting on the Throne of Alohym is Earth.

Wherefore when Heaven & Earth try to flee from the face of the one Seated upon the Throne, there is nowhere for them to flee, for Heaven is the Throne, and the Earth is the only thing Seated smack in the Heart of Heaven [well, that is the Heaven which was created on day two].

Both the (Sephardic) Latin and Greek texts render Alohym as Theo(n) and Dia(n) lit., Molten Rock, which historically they paganized with fable and hyped folklore, as did everyone which encountered him, and got it twisted.

I couldn’t get past the first eight words without dropping my head and feel a need to address them alone.

I’ll be back to finish reading as soon as I’m finished tending to the babes here on the refuge.

 

[JohnD70X7]

The eyewitnesses on the rd to Emmaus prove your theory of Wednesday WRONG or can't you count???

Then that rules out Friday... if they were correct as to which day it was.
Sometimes the scripture quotes historically what was said without correcting inaccuracy. Take the letter from Claudius Lysias for example.
The LORD in verse 25 chastised them for the weightier matters of prophetic events.
They may have gotten the day count wrong as well.

 

[Laureate]

Does the earth have an actual literal heart? It means dead and buried. It is a metaphor, an idiom, a figure of speech. Was Herod a literal fox when Yeshua called him that? Same with three days and 3 nights (where He also said on the third day and in three days). Three days and three nights were an "homage" to the story of Yonah. He compares His burial with being in the belly of the great sea beast! Yonah was in the "heart of the sea" (Jonah 2:2-3) just as Yeshua was in the "heart of the earth." Just as Yonah was "vomited" back so Yeshua was raised from His tomb. Yeshua said that the men of Nineveh will stand at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now One greater than Jonah is here." Ninevah was spared because they repented, but Yerushalayim was not spared...

When Heaven refers to someone as a Fox, Wolf, Goat, Dog, Serpent, Lamb, Ram, Eagle, etc., it is because they literally are exemplifying the characteristic traits and attributes of such literal creatures.

Yownah was literally Cast into the Sea, and the sea literally became Pacific (Calm), and a literal Whale literally swallowed him and he was literally in the belly of the whale for literally 3 days and 3 nights and therefore was literally Centrally Located in the Sea, as Moshé was literally in the Mountain with Alohym for 40 days and 40 nights, the Hebrew word for Deep literally renders Abyss צול, from it comes the enunciation ציול Sheol, literally interpreted and applied to, Underworld, Hell, and Grave, none of this is metaphorical, figurative nor idiomatic, the word Heart literally (Definitively) applies to a Central Location.

The only thing Figurative here is (a literal) Yownah presented in a Comparative Relation to the (literal) Kingdom which came to us as the (literal) Son of Adam.

Notwithstanding a tomb above ground is literally not Centrally located in the Earth, nor does 1 day and 2 nights literally equal 3 days and 3 nights, and yet we are instructed to literally establish every matter by two or three, as I said, I know it can be frustrating when a good testimony falls on deaf ears, yet it appears that what you were accusing others of, now applies to you.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Then that rules out Friday... if they were correct as to which day it was.
Sometimes the scripture quotes historically what was said without correcting inaccuracy. Take the letter from Claudius Lysias for example.
The LORD in verse 25 chastised them for the weightier matters of prophetic events.
They may have gotten the day count wrong as well.

well no it does not rule out Friday...exactly the opposite.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

When Heaven refers to someone as a Fox, Wolf, Goat, Dog, Serpent, Lamb, Ram, Eagle, etc., it is because they literally are exemplifying the characteristic traits and attributes of such literal creatures.

Notwithstanding a tomb above ground is literally not Centrally located in the Earth, nor does 1 day and 2 nights literally equal 3 days and 3 nights, and yet we are instructed to literally establish every matter by two or three, as I said, I know it can be frustrating when a good testimony falls on deaf ears, yet it appears that what you were accusing others of, now applies to you.

No the earth does not have a literal heart that pumps blood. It is a metaphor, idiom and you know it. It is REFERRING to someone, as I said, he was not a literal fox. It does not need to equal a literal 3 days and 3 nights as I have explained. All your pontificating does not disprove that..

 

[Laureate]

No the earth does not have a literal heart that pumps blood. It is a metaphor, idiom and you know it. It is REFERRING to someone, as I said, he was not a literal fox. It does not need to equal a literal 3 days and 3 nights as I have explained. All your pontificating does not disprove that..

Please permit me to try approaching this from another perspective.

Was not Yeshua as the (praise of) Babes declared, i.e., the Kingdom of David?

In Yeshayahu 66 is it not Yerusalem which (as a Mother) desires to Comfort her children?

If literal incarnations are out of your reach, then please permit me to apologize for wasting your time.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Please permit me to try approaching this from another perspective.

Was not Yeshua as the (praise of) Babes declared, i.e., the Kingdom of David?

In Yeshayahu 66 is it not Yerusalem which (as a Mother) desires to Comfort her children?

If literal incarnations are out of your reach, then please permit me to apologize for wasting your time.

I have no problem when there are literal "incarnations" when they are in context and not obvious metaphors, idioms or figures of speech.

 

[JohnD70X7]

well no it does not rule out Friday...exactly the opposite.

the third day SINCE these things happened?
who can't add?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

the third day SINCE these things happened?
who can't add?

you can't add...it says it is was the 3rd day since these things came to pass...Sunday 3rd day, Sabbath 2nd day and Friday the day it all happened. Ever wonder why there were 2 witnesses? There is more going on here than meets the eye. Why on the 3rd day? Man was made on the 6th day of creation (Friday) the day Yeshua was killed, the 7th day sabbath was rest (in the tomb) and the 8th day was a new creation...resurrection!

 

[JohnD70X7]

Most scholars agree Yeshua was born 3 - 7 BCE. And the scriptures say he was about 30 when he began his ministry.

Read it and weep and learn to count...

33 CE would make Yeshua 36 and on April fool's day.

30 CE lines up with scripture.