Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[USincognito]

You have your "facts" messed up. The first impeachment was over the Ukrainian phone call. And releasing the transcript of the phone call did not prove innocence -- it actually makes it appear he was saying that we'll give you the money for the missiles when you announce you are investigating Joe Biden.

Second, every "Russia, Russia, Russia" investigation that I'm aware of was run by Republicans. Democrats did not appoint Mueller, he was appointed by Trump's own DoJ, specifically Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein -- after AG Sessions recused himself for unreported contacts with the Russian ambassador. Last, the Mueller investigation did not investigate Pres. Trump -- as you'd know if you had read the report. It did find plenty of ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians; and lays out how Pres. Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation.

The idea that it was a "scam paid for by Hillary" was a claim made by Special prosecutor Durham, who was appointed to "investigate the investigators." The problem was, he never provided any evidence for it. The trial, the one that was supposed to supply all the evidence, resulted an acquittal -- Durham could not provide the evidence for a crime. Durhams investigation lasted almost twice as long as the Mueller investigation and has proved no evidence that the investigation was to "pick on Trump."

Again, every Russia investigation (at least that I'm aware of) was run by Republicans -- the House investigation (which finished before Democrats retook the House in 2022), the Senate Investigation (again, prior to 2022 when Republicans controlled the Senate, and even Mueller, who was appointed and his investigation overseen by a Republican prosecutor in Trump's DoJ.



Sorry, no. The second investigation was Trump's attempt at stealing the 2022 election -- to include his inaction while the Capitol was being overrun, his attempts to get VP Pence to not count the votes of the lawful Electors that were certified from various states, and instead count electors that voted for Trump and were not certified by the relevant officials in those states, etc. And this, besides not being "false charges" even garnered Republican votes -- with many Republicans agreeing Trump was guilty but didn't want to convict the, by then, former President.



I'm sorry, they were flabbergasted by how much he paid in taxes? You mean like, "The documents confirmed that Mr Trump paid no federal taxes in 2020 and only $750 (£622) in 2016 and 2017." Also how is it that Presidents are supposed to be audited by the IRS every year but Trump wasn't audited -- at least until Congress asked about it 2019? So, no, not a "nothing burger" but, to the best of my knowledge, not anything that is currently being investigated (and definitely nothing that the Republican Congress will investigate).



Yes, such "false accusations" that it caused Trump's lawyer felony charges and a time in "Club Fed."



Yes, we've all heard how Dershowitz is this great Democrat, even while he defended Trump every step of the way the last 7 years. He is hardly a neutral observer and, maybe isn't a Republican, but appears to be a huge Trump fan.



Let me know when Bragg is indicted for misconduct... I won't hold my breath. And, no, the Georgia case is not even weaker. In fact, I have to question why the FBI gets wiretaps, since "no one can be indicted for a phone call." Yes, if they hear a mob boss order a murder on a phone call, they've never prosecuted it. You might want to try that statement again.

It is also apparently two phone calls, with one of them Trump apparently asking the Speaker of the Georgia House to overturn the Georgia 2020 election for Trump. No, if that claim being reported by one of the jurors is true, that is not a weak case.

Fantastic post! A couple of your dates are off by a few years.

 

[Say it aint so]

Since there was no "insurrection" on January 6 it takes a lot of time to invent charges.

insurrection

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/ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ uk​

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/ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/​

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an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.​

That is exactly what they tried to do on Jan6th.

 

[SimplyMe]

Fantastic post! A couple of your dates are off by a few years.

Thanks for that... not sure where my mind was. I think I've fixed the original.

 

[Pommer]

Since there was no "insurrection" on January 6 it takes a lot of time to invent charges. The riots iin Portland or Georgia where rioters seized land and buildings and tried to hold their ground can be argued to actually meet the definition of the word. We are on the brink of World War III, leftist countries are encouraged by the left wing grab for power and control in the U.S. TikTok and other social media platforms are succeeding beyond their dreams. Nancy Pelosi said Trump will have an opportunity to prove his innocence. That's not how are Constitution is supposed to work.

Coach Chuck Noll once said, “The man who ‘thinks about retiring’ is always closer to it than he knows!”

This talk of “WWIII: Back to Using Sticks!” is silly, please stop preparing for the “end-of-the-world” and I will try to as well!

 

[Valletta]

insurrection

noun​

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/ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ uk​

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/ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/​

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an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.​

That is exactly what they tried to do on Jan6th.

They forgot to bring tanks and heavy weapons and let everyone in on the supposed takeover. They interrupted the appeal of the voting process, that was by no means an attempt to take over the country. Now in Portland and Georgia they seized the government property and tried to keep CONTROL. This hoax has gone on long enough, just like the Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation hoax it takes a long time for people to finally admit the truth.

 

[Valletta]

I've asked you previously for what felonies those easy convictions would be, yet for some reason you've never responded. Maybe I'll get lucky this time... though I doubt it.

It's not a secret.

President addresses possibility of Hunter Biden prosecution

In an interview, the president repeatedly stressed that he's proud of his son for overcoming drug addiction and establishing "a new life."

www.politico.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/06/hunter-biden-tax-gun-charges/

 

[SimplyMe]

It's not a secret.

President addresses possibility of Hunter Biden prosecution

In an interview, the president repeatedly stressed that he's proud of his son for overcoming drug addiction and establishing "a new life."

www.politico.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/06/hunter-biden-tax-gun-charges/

Those don't look like easy convictions, and neither conviction would come from evidence on the laptop. So, again, what easy convictions can they get based what was on the laptop?

 

[BPPLEE]

We're not talking about the media, we're talking about the American people in general. Not only was she slandered in the most outrageous ways for 30 years and counting, but a sitting POTUS held rallies where he led his ardent faithful in chanting lock her up. The "media" doesn't lover her and hasn't from the beginning. At best they agreed she was a competent, intelligent woman who was qualified for the positions to which she was elected and appointed. She wasn't even "loved" by most Democrats. A large number of them couldn't vote for her because she wasn't likeable, or because she did Bernie wrong or that she wasn't pushing for their pet agenda.

Again, we're not talking about the media. We're talking about the American people and while he was very much loved (as is Donald, you have to admit) by his fans, the level of slander, vitriol, racism, xenophobia and lies directed at him were unprecedented. Social media and much of the Conservisphere claims he's a Kenyan-born communist, Muslim Manchurian Candidate who is married to a man and will destroy America when he's in power. I say "claims" because despite being out of office for 6 years, they're still claiming these things.

As for Donald and the media, while there was no shortage of critics to be found be they "anyone but Donald" old Guard Republicans like Steve Schmidt, disillusioned conservatives like Joe Scarborough or research journalists like Rachel Maddow, the vast majority of the media engaged in both sides-ism, bent over backwards to appear neutral and instead of calling him out they'd explain away his most egregious, un-presidential behavior by saying it was "Donald being Donald".


Give me three examples of things Donald has been accused and we'll see if he's actually been treated worse than Secretary Clinton or President Obama.

I was talking about the media as well as the public. I don’t know what media you were watching but I never heard them make excuses for Trump and they sure didn’t try in the least to be neutral.

 

[BPPLEE]

I've asked you previously for what felonies those easy convictions would be, yet for some reason you've never responded. Maybe I'll get lucky this time... though I doubt it.

Sex trafficking, money laundering, drug user in possession of firearms, promoting prostitution, lying on a government form, possession of drug paraphernalia, etc

 

[NxNW]

Sex trafficking, money laundering, drug user in possession of firearms, promoting prostitution, lying on a government form, possession of drug paraphernalia, etc

More Russian propaganda, I see. Can you produce a photo of this alleged laptop?

 

[BPPLEE]

More Russian propaganda, I see. Can you produce a photo of this alleged laptop?

Hunter Biden sued because his private information was released. You have to claim ownership to file a suit like that. He can’t have it both ways, though he never said the laptop wasn’t his, he said he didn’t know. I guess he knows now since he’s suing. Hunter Biden sues computer repair shop owner who worked on a laptop, accusing him of trying to invade his privacy

 

[SimplyMe]

Sex trafficking, money laundering, drug user in possession of firearms, promoting prostitution, lying on a government form, possession of drug paraphernalia, etc

Oh, it shows him paying money to women that they can prove is "sex trafficking" in those pictures? I'm sorry, how can you prove sex trafficking from a photo? Same with money laundering, precisely what document shows any money laundering, particularly enough proof that it provides "easy prosecution?" The rest are all the same -- none of those are proven by what is on the laptop. Even a picture of a gun in one of the photos, prove to me it is a real gun and not just a very realistic fake. In fact, prove to me the women pictured are prostitutes that he payed for -- how can you tell from the pictures they are prostitutes? How much were they paid and what country was this (hard to charge him if this happened outside the US in a country where prostitution is legal, if they are prostitutes).

Hunter Biden sued because his private information was released. You have to claim ownership to file a suit like that. He can’t have it both ways, though he never said the laptop wasn’t his, he said he didn’t know. I guess he knows now since he’s suing.

Actually, it is stated that Biden does not claim the laptop is his, in the lawsuit. If a computer was hacked, and then the hacker put the information onto another computer -- one they dropped off at a computer shop -- the owner of the data should have every right to sue if that hacked data is released. Not saying that is what happened here, just saying that Biden's lawsuit states, "that some of his electronic data was in Mac Isaac’s possession, but he doesn’t admit the laptop was his nor does he specify which records that were shared are his." (he/his being Hunter Biden).

 

[BPPLEE]

Oh, it shows him paying money to women that they can prove is "sex trafficking" in those pictures? I'm sorry, how can you prove sex trafficking from a photo? Same with money laundering, precisely what document shows any money laundering, particularly enough proof that it provides "easy prosecution?" The rest are all the same -- none of those are proven by what is on the laptop. Even a picture of a gun in one of the photos, prove to me it is a real gun and not just a very realistic fake. In fact, prove to me the women pictured are prostitutes that he payed for -- how can you tell from the pictures they are prostitutes? How much were they paid and what country was this (hard to charge him if this happened outside the US in a country where prostitution is legal, if they are prostitutes).



Actually, it is stated that Biden does not claim the laptop is his, in the lawsuit. If a computer was hacked, and then the hacker put the information onto another computer -- one they dropped off at a computer shop -- the owner of the data should have every right to sue if that hacked data is released. Not saying that is what happened here, just saying that Biden's lawsuit states, "that some of his electronic data was in Mac Isaac’s possession, but he doesn’t admit the laptop was his nor does he specify which records that were shared are his." (he/his being Hunter Biden).

I didn’t say the laptop proved anything but the crimes could be investigated. The gun was thrown into a dumpster by his sister in law and the Secret Service questioned the owner of the shop that sold it to him ( I thought that was ATFs job). The drug paraphernalia was left in a car he rented, along with his brother’s ID. He has admitted using drugs which makes it illegal for him to have firearms. There’s plenty that could be investigated. And the repair shop has some of Hunter’s information? Anyway Hunter is not the subject of this thread.

 

[JosephZ]

They interrupted the appeal of the voting process, that was by no means an attempt to take over the country.

What did those involved hope to achieve? What was their end goal?

 

[SimplyMe]

I didn’t say the laptop proved anything but the crimes could be investigated. The gun was thrown into a dumpster by his sister in law and the Secret Service questioned the owner of the shop that sold it to him ( I thought that was ATFs job). The drug paraphernalia was left in a car he rented, along with his brother’s ID. He has admitted using drugs which makes it illegal for him to have firearms. There’s plenty that could be investigated.

And they have been investigating and there are likely to be some charges. The Republican federal prosecutor investigating Hunter under Trump has been left in place and allowed to handle the Hunter Biden case as he feels is proper. I'm guessing when he is ready and has all the evidence lined up, you'll see charges filed.

And while you might not have claimed the laptop proved anything, that was the point of the question asked. The person I responded to claimed that there should have been "easy convictions" based on evidence that is on the laptop.

 

[BPPLEE]

And they have been investigating and there are likely to be some charges. The Republican federal prosecutor investigating Hunter under Trump has been left in place and allowed to handle the Hunter Biden case as he feels is proper. I'm guessing when he is ready and has all the evidence lined up, you'll see charges filed.

And while you might not have claimed the laptop proved anything, that was the point of the question asked. The person I responded to claimed that there should have been "easy convictions" based on evidence that is on the laptop.

The chain of custody of the laptop would make it highly unlikely for it to be used as evidence and there is now deep fake technology that is going to impact all video evidence. Anyway Hunter is not the subject of this thread.

 

[Say it aint so]

They forgot to bring tanks and heavy weapons and let everyone in on the supposed takeover. They interrupted the appeal of the voting process, that was by no means an attempt to take over the country. Now in Portland and Georgia they seized the government property and tried to keep CONTROL. This hoax has gone on long enough, just like the Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation hoax it takes a long time for people to finally admit the truth.

18 U.S. Code § 2383. Tanks or heavy weapons are irrelevant. ​

 

[BPPLEE]

More Russian propaganda, I see. Can you produce a photo of this alleged laptop?

The evidence is not on the laptop. Anyway enough about Hunter Biden he’s not the subject of this thread

 

[ozso]

18 U.S. Code § 2383. Tanks or heavy weapons are irrelevant. ​

They're relevant in an actual takeover of a large country. If they were actually trying to take over, they would have all been heavily armed and would have held the politicians in the capitol building as hostages etc. Not just run around for a while and then go home.

 

[DaisyDay]

They're relevant in an actual takeover of a large country. If they were actually trying to take over, they would have all been heavily armed and would have held the politicians in the capitol building as hostages etc. Not just run around for a while and then go home.

They would be relevant if the takeover were from the outside, not so much for a palace coup. The working theory seems to have been if they could delay the vote until enough senators agreed to accept the "alternate" slate of electors or have Pence declare Trump the winner. It didn't work, but they tried.