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Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

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It was. The hard drive (there is no laptop) was secured by Rudy after going to Ukraine to get dirt on Hunter. The data on the hard drive was hacked from Hunter's iCloud and phone, some of it very poorly as we can see the photos of texts were on a Russian text application.

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>> Mere hours before the debate Thursday, one inadvertently revealing text-message surfaced via a Fox News contributor: a picture of a phone displaying a text, allegedly sent by Hunter Biden to an associate, taken while that phone was logged into a Russian cellphone network, MTS RUS. That photo was extremely unlikely to have come from Biden’s allegedly water-damaged laptop in Delaware. <<

The laptop hoax was a hack and leak October Surprise that thankfully failed.
 
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What they actually said:
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."​
Not exactly an outright statement. Moreover, FOXnews, the WSJ, and social media outlets all passed on publicizing the initial laptop story for the same verification issues.
 
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It was. The hard drive (there is no laptop) was secured by Rudy after going to Ukraine to get dirt on Hunter. The data on the hard drive was hacked from Hunter's iCloud and phone, some of it very poorly as we can see the photos of texts were on a Russian text application.

From WaPo
>> Mere hours before the debate Thursday, one inadvertently revealing text-message surfaced via a Fox News contributor: a picture of a phone displaying a text, allegedly sent by Hunter Biden to an associate, taken while that phone was logged into a Russian cellphone network, MTS RUS. That photo was extremely unlikely to have come from Biden’s allegedly water-damaged laptop in Delaware. <<

The laptop hoax was a hack and leak October Surprise that thankfully failed.
Off topic and already covered
 
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What they actually said:
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."​
Not exactly an outright statement. Moreover, FOXnews, the WSJ, and social media outlets all passed on publicizing the initial laptop story for the same verification issues.
Off topic. I’m not getting sucked into debating the lie that the story was Russian disinformation
 
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Actually you mean like they haven't done with Trump?
I don't know what you're talking about because there's a bunch of actual evidence.
Manhattan DA - a 30 count indictment isn't going to be made of air biscuits.

Fulton Co, DA - she actually has two recordings of Donald trying to commit election fraud
Further, one of the grand jurors is quoted as saying:
“I tell my wife if every person in America knew every single word of information we knew, this country would not be divided as it is right now.”​

MAL documents -
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But did with Biden's dealings with his son and China, but the FBI, media, and social media banded together to hide it from everyone by wrongly calling it Russia propaganda?
Again, what are you talking about? There has been zero evidence that President Biden has been dealing with China other than doing things like strengthening Donald's sanctions, signing the CHIPs Act which destroyed China's chip industry and forming the AUKUS alliance to counter Chinese military adventurism in Southeast Asia. The closest thing to evidence we have of Biden's working "with China" are some enigmatic bank records of a transfer from an energy company to Robinson Walker LLC (which is neither Hunter not Joseph Biden) and some vague text messages about a deal involving 10% for the big guy (still unnamed) that never came to fruition.

On the other hand, Donald received $5.4 million directly from China while he was on office!
 
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I have never seen so much hatred for one man
We're you off grid during President Obama's time in office?

Actually scratch that, have you been off grid for the past 30 years because Hillary has received 10 times the hatred, vitriol and malice that Donald has? I mean he's only accused of crimes he likely committed like stealing documents, tax fraud and election interference. Secretary Clinton has been accused of literally murdering our personnel in Benghazi and running a Satanic child trafficking ring where they drink the blood and wear the faces of children they've murdered.
 
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We're you off grid during President Obama's time in office?

Actually scratch that, have you been off grid for the past 30 years because Hillary has received 10 times the hatred, vitriol and malice that Donald has? I mean he's only accused of crimes he likely committed like stealing documents, tax fraud and election interference. Secretary Clinton has been accused of literally murdering our personnel in Benghazi and running a Satanic child trafficking ring where they drink the blood and wear the faces of children they've murdered.
But she has a media that loves her. Obama they love much, much more There are people who hate her but not on the same scale as Trump. if you think accusations of a few crimes are all of the vitriol aimed at Trump You’re mistaken.
 
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From which no changes have been filed two years later. The NY case is allegedly concerning the Stormy Daniels payment and possibly another payment. What is pressing?

I guess I have to spell it out for you. They (DOJ/FBI) are investigating Trump for insurrection. Working their way up from the bottom. It takes time.
 
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It was a response to what you posted, which I guess was off topic....carry on....
Yes it was getting off topic. I was responding to someone else as well
 
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I guess I have to spell it out for you. They (DOJ/FBI) are investigating Trump for insurrection. Working their way up from the bottom. It takes time.
When I made a case on someone I charged them with everything I could. This gave the ADA leverage when making plea agreements. I’m not going to pretend that my experience makes me an expert on how to investigate a President. That would be kind of like saying since I ran a hardware store I knew how to be the CEO of Walmart. It doesn’t work that way. But I do know that indicting Trump on the lesser charges would not have interfered with the other investigation and would not interfere with Smith’s investigation. I don’t believe it had anything to do with the FECs decision either.
 
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I guess I have to spell it out for you. They (DOJ/FBI) are investigating Trump for insurrection. Working their way up from the bottom. It takes time.
Since there was no "insurrection" on January 6 it takes a lot of time to invent charges. The riots iin Portland or Georgia where rioters seized land and buildings and tried to hold their ground can be argued to actually meet the definition of the word. We are on the brink of World War III, leftist countries are encouraged by the left wing grab for power and control in the U.S. TikTok and other social media platforms are succeeding beyond their dreams. Nancy Pelosi said Trump will have an opportunity to prove his innocence. That's not how are Constitution is supposed to work.
 
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Since there was no "insurrection" on January 6 it takes a lot of time to invent charges. The riots iin Portland or Georgia where rioters seized land and buildings and tried to hold their ground can be argued to actually meet the definition of the word. We are on the brink of World War III, leftist countries are encouraged by the left wing grab for power and control in the U.S. TikTok and other social media platforms are succeeding beyond their dreams. Nancy Pelosi said Trump will have an opportunity to prove his innocence. That's not how are Constitution is supposed to work.
Yes Pelosi’s comments said a lot about how Democrats think the justice system works
 
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But she has a media that loves her.
We're not talking about the media, we're talking about the American people in general. Not only was she slandered in the most outrageous ways for 30 years and counting, but a sitting POTUS held rallies where he led his ardent faithful in chanting lock her up. The "media" doesn't lover her and hasn't from the beginning. At best they agreed she was a competent, intelligent woman who was qualified for the positions to which she was elected and appointed. She wasn't even "loved" by most Democrats. A large number of them couldn't vote for her because she wasn't likeable, or because she did Bernie wrong or that she wasn't pushing for their pet agenda.
Obama they love much, much more.
Again, we're not talking about the media. We're talking about the American people and while he was very much loved (as is Donald, you have to admit) by his fans, the level of slander, vitriol, racism, xenophobia and lies directed at him were unprecedented. Social media and much of the Conservisphere claims he's a Kenyan-born communist, Muslim Manchurian Candidate who is married to a man and will destroy America when he's in power. I say "claims" because despite being out of office for 6 years, they're still claiming these things.

As for Donald and the media, while there was no shortage of critics to be found be they "anyone but Donald" old Guard Republicans like Steve Schmidt, disillusioned conservatives like Joe Scarborough or research journalists like Rachel Maddow, the vast majority of the media engaged in both sides-ism, bent over backwards to appear neutral and instead of calling him out they'd explain away his most egregious, un-presidential behavior by saying it was "Donald being Donald".

There are people who hate her but not on the same scale as Trump. if you think accusations of a few crimes are all of the vitriol aimed at Trump You’re mistaken.
Give me three examples of things Donald has been accused and we'll see if he's actually been treated worse than Secretary Clinton or President Obama.
 
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We're not talking about the media, we're talking about the American people in general. Not only was she slandered in the most outrageous ways for 30 years and counting, but a sitting POTUS held rallies where he led his ardent faithful in chanting lock her up. The "media" doesn't lover her and hasn't from the beginning. At best they agreed she was a competent, intelligent woman who was qualified for the positions to which she was elected and appointed. She wasn't even "loved" by most Democrats. A large number of them couldn't vote for her because she wasn't likeable, or because she did Bernie wrong or that she wasn't pushing for their pet agenda.

Again, we're not talking about the media. We're talking about the American people and while he was very much loved (as is Donald, you have to admit) by his fans, the level of slander, vitriol, racism, xenophobia and lies directed at him were unprecedented. Social media and much of the Conservisphere claims he's a Kenyan-born communist, Muslim Manchurian Candidate who is married to a man and will destroy America when he's in power. I say "claims" because despite being out of office for 6 years, they're still claiming these things.

As for Donald and the media, while there was no shortage of critics to be found be they "anyone but Donald" old Guard Republicans like Steve Schmidt, disillusioned conservatives like Joe Scarborough or research journalists like Rachel Maddow, the vast majority of the media engaged in both sides-ism, bent over backwards to appear neutral and instead of calling him out they'd explain away his most egregious, un-presidential behavior by saying it was "Donald being Donald".


Give me three examples of things Donald has been accused and we'll see if he's actually been treated worse than Secretary Clinton or President Obama.
Let's do them one at a time. Number one, Raid on Mar-a-lago.
 
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Could ask the same thing from you? They been after this man and anyone associated with him for 7 years. 1st impeachment they said the russia, russia hoax was going to land him in prison; all charges was found to be unfounded by their hand picked Mueller and found out to be $1 million dollar paid scam by Hillary.

You have your "facts" messed up. The first impeachment was over the Ukrainian phone call. And releasing the transcript of the phone call did not prove innocence -- it actually makes it appear he was saying that we'll give you the money for the missiles when you announce you are investigating Joe Biden.

Second, every "Russia, Russia, Russia" investigation that I'm aware of was run by Republicans. Democrats did not appoint Mueller, he was appointed by Trump's own DoJ, specifically Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein -- after AG Sessions recused himself for unreported contacts with the Russian ambassador. Last, the Mueller investigation did not investigate Pres. Trump -- as you'd know if you had read the report. It did find plenty of ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians; and lays out how Pres. Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation.

The idea that it was a "scam paid for by Hillary" was a claim made by Special prosecutor Durham, who was appointed to "investigate the investigators." The problem was, he never provided any evidence for it. The trial, the one that was supposed to supply all the evidence, resulted an acquittal -- Durham could not provide the evidence for a crime. Durhams investigation lasted almost twice as long as the Mueller investigation and has found no evidence that the investigation was to "pick on Trump."

Again, every Russia investigation (at least that I'm aware of) was run by Republicans -- the House investigation (which finished before Democrats retook the House in 2018), the Senate Investigation (again, prior to 2018 when Republicans controlled the Senate, and even Mueller, who was appointed and his investigation overseen by a Republican prosecutor in Trump's DoJ.

2nd impeachment over a phone call but they were totally surprised when Pres. Trump released the transcript where a perfect phone call; yet shifty schiff and his wanta be movie star still parroted non existing gangster style parody and laughed off the stage, a failed actor and script writer.

Sorry, no. The second impeachment was Trump's attempt at stealing the 2020 election -- to include his inaction while the Capitol was being overrun, his attempts to get VP Pence to not count the votes of the lawful Electors that were certified from various states, and instead count electors that voted for Trump and were not certified by the relevant officials in those states, etc. And this, besides not being "false charges" even garnered Republican votes -- with many Republicans agreeing Trump was guilty but didn't want to convict the, by then, former President.

Then it was taxes and Pres. Trump played them all the way, what ever happen to it? nothing when whats her face got it on the air and was flabbergasted because he paid so much in taxes, talk about a nothing burger.

I'm sorry, they were flabbergasted by how much he paid in taxes? You mean like, "The documents confirmed that Mr Trump paid no federal taxes in 2020 and only $750 (£622) in 2016 and 2017." Also how is it that Presidents are supposed to be audited by the IRS every year but Trump wasn't audited -- at least until Congress asked about it 2019? So, no, not a "nothing burger" but, to the best of my knowledge, not anything that is currently being investigated (and definitely nothing that the Republican Congress will investigate).

Time after time these people went after until now they just make up false accusations and try to pend him on A Stormy case that was dismissed in '20' when stormy signed an agreement and even she said it never happened.

Yes, such "false accusations" that it caused Trump's lawyer felony charges and a time in "Club Fed."

Now they have the weakest case of all with a inappropriate content star, and known political hack/lier where now the Democrat-never voted for Republican Dershowitz says any 1st year law student wouldn't even take this case and is the weakest case he has ever seen.

Yes, we've all heard how Dershowitz is this great Democrat, even while he defended Trump every step of the way the last 7 years. He is hardly a neutral observer and, maybe isn't a Republican, but appears to be a huge Trump fan and apologist.

Braggs should be and will be after his 10 minutes of fame will be held for Prosecutor mis-conduct. The Ga. case is even weaker, no one can be indicted for a phone call which is all it was, a perfectly legal phone call.

Let me know when Bragg is indicted for misconduct... I won't hold my breath. And, no, the Georgia case is not even weaker. In fact, I have to question why the FBI gets wiretaps, since "no one can be indicted for a phone call." Yes, if they hear a mob boss order a murder on a phone call, they've never prosecuted it. You might want to try that statement again.

It is also apparently two phone calls, with one of them Trump apparently asking the Speaker of the Georgia House to overturn the Georgia 2020 election for Trump. No, if that claim being reported by one of the jurors is true, that is not a weak case.
 
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It demonstrates just the opposite. The government had an easy conviction of a felony for Hunter Biden using his own laptop and they won't prosecute him. Remember Bragg said he was going to get Trump before he looked at the evidence, while he was still campaigning. On his first day in office Bragg said he would not prosecute those who resisted police arrest or those who don't pay their subway fares. The same for "attempted" assault, the guy who went crazy in that McDonalds was out of jail in three hours. Yet Bragg took a misdemeanor charge that is past the statute of limitations and tried to twist the law to turn it into a felony. More and more innocent people are attacked each day and more innocent conservatives jailed because of the extreme left wingers who have taken over the Democrat leadership. There are hard working patriotic Americans who resist the attempt to interfere in the presidential election, in 24 hours after the indictment announcement four million dollars was donated to the Trump presidential campaign.

I've asked you previously for what felonies those easy convictions would be, yet for some reason you've never responded. Maybe I'll get lucky this time... though I doubt it.
 
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Let's do them one at a time. Number one, Raid on Mar-a-lago.
I should probably let USIncognito reply but what specifically do you want compared with it? How Pres. Clinton was asked for some records, ones that Pres. Clinton claimed were private, and so went to court to defend they were private rather than hiding them in their NY home and lying to his lawyers -- telling the lawyers all the documents had been returned. You mean how Pres. Obama turned all the documents over to the National Archive, they didn't have to ask him for records that he had failed to turn over?

I'm sorry, what is the specific comparison here?
 
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