At least 3 children and 3 adults killed in Nashville private Christian elementary school shooting; shooter killed by police

[durangodawood]

Im staring to wonder if perhaps Americans on average like gun violence, especially at schools. Maybe just for the chance to feel something, to get excited. Also, an atmosphere of potential gun violence encourages a "tactical" approach to the activities of daily life, like shopping, school, church. I think some people find that sort of planning and tension kind of fun.

Its just something I consider when I look at what Americans will tolerate.

 

[BPPLEE]

You would not have a choice in the matter. Evaluation would be a requirement for owning and/or carrying a gun.

Yes and people would just lie on the evaluation

 

[BPPLEE]

John 3:16
2 Peter 3:9

Did Jesus die for her or not?

He died for everyone but everyone doesn’t accept him

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Yes and people would just lie on the evaluation

If it works for pilots, it can work for cops and security guards and gun owners. There are plenty of diagnostic criteria for depression or bipolar disorder that don't require you to say "I'm depressed".

 

[public hermit]

Death by cop. The ultimate in selfishness and cowardice. Knew she was going to take innocents with her. Glad she’s burning in hell. Zero sympathy.

Christ prays for those who are murdering him, but you gloat over the notion this person is being tormented in hell? Don't you know that you will be judged by the judgments you make? If you have zero sympathy, why should God have mercy on you? We should weep for all who stray so far from truth and goodness that they carry out horrendous acts. Our hearts should break for all involved. Condemnation and being "glad" that this person is "burning in hell" is not appropriate or Christ-like. Maybe you had a moment, and said that without thinking, but that way of seeing things should be rejected with repentance.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Its just something I consider when I look at what Americans will tolerate.

Given the accentuated furore and agita over this particular case, it's clear America will comfortably tolerate any number of cis male school shooters.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I kind of intended it to be ironic, but not entirely. I guess I just have trouble understanding how Americans accept so many of these attacks on children and go about their normal lives.

And since doing anything about the guns is apparently out of the question, then maybe people need to see razor wire and armed soldiers to shock them out of their complacency.

Even if that was something people were willing to do there is very little way there would be enough to go around to al the schools while still having a defense force. seeing as how I have seen numbers that say that for every one person out on the front lines ( ones that receive the most firearms training outside of basic there are SEVEN that hold support roles which can range anywhere from police, to transportation to even office type jobs that handle pay, leave and the like.

 

[Desk trauma]

Given the accentuated furore and agita over this particular case, it's clear America will comfortably tolerate any number of cis male school shooters.

Mass shooting is one thing but being a weirdo? Unamerican!

 

[dogs4thewin]

My job requires me to carry a gun. If your proposal went into effect I would never seek help for any issues that might cause me to lose my right to own and carry a firearm. Police officers and military personnel would never disclose any such problems with a therapist if there is not a right to privacy. And people who own firearms and know something like you are proposing was in effect would never seek help

yup that is the risk we run with something like that happening ( plus since most gun deaths are suicide anyway not that that is not sad that is not my point, but rather that MOST of those people have no intent of taking anyone with them, so if someone is just a danger to themselves they should be able to say so give up firearms for a period and get them back upon treatment as opposed to a life long bar. It works that way with alcohol usually people with an active alcohol problem are not allowed to have guns; however once he or she has been through treatment and been sober for a period of time they then will regain that right. The period is say three years not like a month or anything.

 

[Desk trauma]

Even if that was something people were willing to do there is very little way there would be enough to go around to al the schools while still having a defense force. seeing as how I have seen numbers that say that for every one person out on the front lines ( ones that receive the most firearms training outside of basic there are SEVEN that hold support roles which can range anywhere from police, to transportation to even office type jobs that handle pay, leave and the like.

If it was a priority we have the resources to make it happen but clearly kids being shot dead in school is a price we’re willing to pay.

 

[LesSme]

Christ prays for those who are murdering him, but you gloat over the notion this person is being tormented in hell? Don't you know that you will be judged by the judgments you make? If you have zero sympathy, why should God have mercy on you? We should weep for all who stray so far from truth and goodness that they carry out horrendous acts. Our hearts should break for all involved. Condemnation and being "glad" that this person is "burning in hell" is not appropriate or Christ-like. Maybe you had a moment, and said that without thinking, but that way of seeing things should be rejected with repentance.

You do not know His Word. We are to judge righteously, I.e. not hypocritically. And true followers are to judge all things, because we have the mind of Christ.
I am grateful to serve an all merciful and all just God.
Please, focus your sympathy on the real victims and stop with the virtue signaling. Hale made her choices and no amount of sympathy will change her fate now.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You would not have a choice in the matter. Evaluation would be a requirement for owning and/or carrying a gun.

Only problem with that is just because I can pass the evaluation at x time does not mean I could pass it at y time thus a person who had passed the eval and say two years later had issues would not want to get it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If it was a priority we have the resources to make it happen but clearly kids being shot dead in school is a price we’re willing to pay.

about the only chance we would have at that would be to bring back the draft ( especially since the military is having a TOUGH time recruiting right now and of people of draft age only between 1 in 5 and 1 in 4 can serve without a waiver bringing the draft back for something like school security would come with a whole lot of issues some of which may or may not be as bad with the traditional reasons for a draft.

 

[Desk trauma]

Only problem with that is just because I can pass the evaluation at x time does not mean I could pass it at y time thus a person who had passed the eval and say two years later had issues would not want to get it.

As usual the perfect is the enemy of the good. All theoretical in the end, no price is too high when it comes to maintaining the status quo on gun ownership.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Only problem with that is just because I can pass the evaluation at x time does not mean I could pass it at y time thus a person who had passed the eval and say two years later had issues would not want to get it.

The evaluation could easily be an annual (or some other period) requirement. It should definitely be for people carrying guns as part of their job. Either way, it would still be an improvement.

The FAA requires an annual exam for commercial pilots (every 6 months if you're over 40). Private/recreational pilots have to get checked every 5 years (every 2 years over 40).

 

[Desk trauma]

about the only chance we would have at that would be to bring back the draft ( especially since the military is having a TOUGH time recruiting right now and of people of draft age only between 1 in 5 and 1 in 4 can serve without a waiver bringing the draft back for something like school security would come with a whole lot of issues some of which may or may not be as bad with the traditional reasons for a draft.

What a stupid fantasy to excuse our acceptance of children being shot in school.

 

[dogs4thewin]

As usual the perfect is the enemy of the good. All theoretical in the end, no price is too high when it comes to maintaining the status quo on gun ownership.

Is that not true though just because I am fine at a particular time does not mean something could not change a few years later.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

about the only chance we would have at that would be to bring back the draft ( especially since the military is having a TOUGH time recruiting right now and of people of draft age only between 1 in 5 and 1 in 4 can serve without a waiver bringing the draft back for something like school security would come with a whole lot of issues some of which may or may not be as bad with the traditional reasons for a draft.

No offense, but draftees are not who I would want protecting my kids.

 

[Desk trauma]

Is that not true though just because I am fine at a particular time does not mean something could not change a few years later.

Its not perfect, best do nothing instead, that is clearly more effective.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The evaluation could easily be an annual (or some other period) requirement. It should definitely be for people carrying guns as part of their job. Either way, it would still be an improvement.

The FAA requires an annual exam for commercial pilots (every 6 months if you're over 40). Private/recreational pilots have to get checked every 5 years (every 2 years over 40).

and honest question where do you suggest we get the manpower to do those envul ( unless they did it basically like they do arrest or search warrants where they have to have reason to believe that something is up?