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And, these capitol police were so certain that Pence was in such grave danger that they let these "want to be murderers" walk around the capitol and take selfies? After shooting an unarmed female?
Your timeline is way off.
The Capitol was breached at ~2:00pm
The "walk around and take selfies" folks entered Statuary Hall at 2:26pm
Vice President Pence, after initially refusing to evacuate, was evacuated at 2:28pm
Babbitt was neutralized at 2:44pm.
You could go to any large event with large amounts of people.. there will be, at anytime, a very small percentage of the crowd that has any number of radical thoughts.... That does not warrant labeling the entire crowd with those same views.
The Donald flags and the fact that many of those who were most violent or at the vanguard claimed "the President invited us here" says otherwise. There was a large contingent of organized groups who had plans for disrupting the certification process and installing their Dear Leader as dictator.
Not to mention that, with the amount of exposed corruption in regards to this event... it's pretty obvious that you could have far left radical people who are wearing Trump supporter clothing... who were purposefully and cognitively presenting themselves as violent DT supporters.
There is ZERO evidence of this fan fiction being true. Of the thousand plus tracked down and arrested, not a single one has been a "far left radical people".
 
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I guess the right-wingers who infiltrated the protests were pretty violent. I saw a great deal of video of right-wingers smashing windows and trying to provoke the peaceful protesters. How unfortunate. You didn't hear Joe Biden encouraging violence. But I do see Trump supporters defending the violent actions of the mob on January 6, and we saw Trump encourage violence on numerous occasions. It's no wonder the voters overwhelmingly rejected him.
The examples of right wing and white supremacist agitators sparking mayhem are certainly worth discussing, but they're not the major factor for most of it. As with Watts, Rodney King and the firing of Bobby Knight, young, apolitical hooligans and criminals took advantage of civil unrest to riot, loot and commit arson.
 
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There were already a few dozen people in the Senate chamber when Chansley entered (and just one cop) adding one more invader wasn't going to change anything. (The court documents repeatedly tell of officers, well mostly the one officer, telling him to leave and then Chansley failing to comply. You put this forward as if the only way the police were *really* trying to stop him was if they subdued him. There wasn't the manpower to waste on that.)
The two officers escorting him, trying to find an unlocked door could have stopped him. The six or so officers standing around talking, that he walked in between could have stopped him, but made no motion.

Don’t believe me? Watch the video starting at 3:19. I’d love you explanation


video clearly shows him being escorted by police. Shows police trying to open doors for him, shows him walking through a group of officers who let him pass by.
 
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That article is not about counter protesters. “While some of the defendants clearly hold radical or anti-government beliefs, prosecutors have provided little evidence of any affiliations they have with organized extremist groups.” They are leftists not counter protesters.
"But tucked into the protest-related cases are accusations of far-right extremism and racism as well.

John Malcolm Bareswill, angry that a local Black church held a prayer vigil for George Floyd, called the church and threatened to burn it to the ground, using racial slurs in a phone call overheard by children, prosecutors said. Bareswill, 63, of Virginia Beach, faces 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to making a telephonic threat.

Two Missouri militia members who authorities say traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, to see Trump’s visit in the wake of the police shooting of Jacob Blake were arrested at a hotel in September with a cache of guns, according to court documents. An attorney for one of the men, Michael Karmo, said he is “charged criminally for conduct that many Americans would consider patriotic,” as authorities have alleged his motive was to assist overwhelmed law enforcement.

Three of the men arrested are far-right extremists, members of the “Boogaloo” movement plotting to overthrow the government and had been stockpiling military-grade weapons and hunting around for the right public event to unleash violence for weeks before Floyd’s death, according to court documents.

After aborting a mission related to reopening businesses in Nevada as the coronavirus pandemic raged, they settled on a Floyd-related protest led by Black Lives Matter. Angry it had not turned violent, they brought carloads of explosives, military-grade weapons, to a meet-up about 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) from the protest site and pumped gasoline into tanks. FBI agents arrested them before they could act, according to a criminal complaint.
 
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The two officers escorting him, trying to find an unlocked door could have stopped him. The six or so officers standing around talking, that he walked in between could have stopped him, but made no motion.

Don’t believe me? Watch the video starting at 3:19. I’d love you explanation


video clearly shows him being escorted by police. Shows police trying to open doors for him, shows him walking through a group of officers who let him pass by.
As has been explained in this thread. Chansley entered the Capitol at ~2:00pm. The selectively edited video Tucker showed you was from between 2:55 and 3:00pm. CHP and DC Metro reinforcements were arriving and clearing the building in earnest. These facts explain why Tucker erased the time stamp from the video he aired. Leaving it on would have exposed his propagandistic narrative.
 
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Horse feathers. Nearly every time I see an insurrectionists apologist talk about their martyr, they mention "a black cop" and a "small white unarmed woman". It's a racist dog whistle. Sorry if you don't like that we're seeing through it.
Hey, I get it that you don't like it when I use the same terminology as the MSM when talking about things that happen. It reveals the hypocrisy that they display (which you seem to subscribe to) when the terminology is expected to change depending on who is involved.
 
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That certainly is a narrative which insurrectionists apologists have pushed since Lt. Byrd's identity was revealed. I guess it's easier to sound the racist dog whistle than it is to defend her actions.
It's actually the narrative that's been pushed by the MSM and their followers for many years. I just decided that it's time to embrace their enlightened and equitable narrative.
 
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As has been explained in this thread. Chansley entered the Capitol at ~2:00pm. The selectively edited video Tucker showed you was from between 2:55 and 3:00pm. CHP and DC Metro reinforcements were arriving and clearing the building in earnest. These facts explain why Tucker erased the time stamp from the video he aired. Leaving it on would have exposed his propagandistic narrative.
That is not answering my question - debate needs to be two way or it is useless.

Please review the footage starting at the 3:19 mark and tell me what you think is happening. With my own eyes, I am seeing him, an hour after entering the Capitol building, being escorted (not stopped), by two police officers who are trying to open doors for him and then him walking right through six other officers who say nothing and make not attempt to stop him.
 
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As has been explained in this thread. Chansley entered the Capitol at ~2:00pm. The selectively edited video Tucker showed you was from between 2:55 and 3:00pm. CHP and DC Metro reinforcements were arriving and clearing the building in earnest. These facts explain why Tucker erased the time stamp from the video he aired. Leaving it on would have exposed his propagandistic narrative.

Chansley entered the Senate wing of the Capitol at 2:13 PM, about 1 minute after the initial breach. With in a couple minutes he was one floor up in the wide corridor outside the Senate chamber known as the "Ohio Clock Corridor" where he remained until about 2:50.
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The Senate chamber is behind the wall in the background with the row of busts.
 
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This thread is closed for review and clean up.



EDIT - This thread had a clean up of snarky posts and off topic posts.
Stop the snarky posts to each other. Do not goad using smilies.
The topic is not BLM.

Be civil and stick to the topic.

reopening...

 
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The prosecutors filing, if the exculpatory evidence was not ALREADY PRESENTED means zero.

Oh, you plead guilty - well here is some evidence that could have proven your innocence or created reasonable doubt.
Your conclusion is based on a false premise. None of the highly selective video that Tucker showed you was exculpatory. If anything it shows that he continued refusing to leave the Capitol after officers asked him to. The video of him wandering around in the hallway is literally inculpatory for count 3 of his indictment.
On or about January 6, 2021, in the District of Columbia, JACOB ANTHONY CHANSLEY, also known as ·'Jacob Angeli," did unlawfully and knowingly enter and remain in the United States Capitol, a restricted building, without lawful authority to do so.

(Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section l 752(a)(l ))​
I’ve answered your questions. Please answer one for me.

Why do you think the two officers shown escorting him around looking for unlocked doors, or the group of officers that he walked through never stopped him from going into the chambers?
Personally I'd rather have video with audio from the officers body cams before making a definitive statement, but since the video is from 2:55pm, it look like they're trying to escort him out of the building. If the scene at the end is the

This is video that a reporter took inside the Senate chamber. I'm not going to link to it, because of unbleeped profanity, but search for New Yorker Reporter Inside Capitol. At 5:18 you can hear Chansley yelling in the gallery. At 5:53 the camera pans up to show him. You'll note there are no officer "escorts" with him, just as there are no officers on the floor of the Senate. At 6:20 Chansley enters the floor followed by officer Robishaw who had been repeatedly asking him to leave the building.
The plea agreement says that when instructed by Capitol Police to depart, Chansley "challenged" officer Keith Robishaw "to let them pass, ultimately using his bullhorn to rile up the crowd and demand that lawmakers be brought out." Chansley then moved to another floor "instead of obeying the instructions of the US Capitol Police to leave the building" and "entered the Gallery of the Senate alone," where he "proceeded to scream obscenities."

As Chansley sought to visit the Senate floor, Robishaw again asked him to leave, according to the plea agreement. Once Chansley made it inside, Robishaw followed and asked him not to sit on the Senate dais that then-Vice President Mike Pence had occupied less than an hour earlier.

This is Robishaw and Chansley from the edited video Tucker released. You can see he's got red hair and has a blue mask around is chin.
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Officer Robishaw checks on an insurrectionists sitting at the base of the dais and asks if he needs medical assistance. After the man answers negatively, Robishaw continues asking them to leave. 6:42 "Is there any chance I can get you guys"
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At 9:22 you can briefly see that instead of a solitary Robishaw continuing to try and de-escalate and asking them to leave, reinforcements have arrived and they insurrectionists leave the chamber.
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I would suggest watching the video - which Tucker used snippets from - as Chansley's actions in the Senate Chamber show that he's guilty of five of the counts against him.
Civil Disorder
Obstructing an Official Proceeding
Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building
Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building
Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building​
 
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Only one of them was orchestrated by a sitting President and was an attempt to overturn the will of the people in a lawful, democratic election. The others are red herrings.

Let's look at a few of those 19 deaths.

Chief David Dorn was murdered by criminals engaged in looting. They were taking advantage of the civil unrest, not protesting.
David McAtee was shot by a National Guardsman.
James Scurlock was shot by a bar owner after and altercation.
Italia Marie Kelly was shot to death in a Walmart parking lot. I can't find any evidence her killer was associated with BLM or claimed to be Antifa.
David Patrick Underwood was a Federal Protective Service agent who was shot by a Boogaloo boy.
Off topic. On January 6th Ashli Babbitt was killed by police, three people died of natural causes and one died from a drug overdose
 
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I'm still waitingfor someone to actually make an attempt to explain what all these posts are about. We know what happened. We saw what happened. We have people who admitted doing what we saw happened. They are In jail because of what happened.

This is like complaining about the colour of the lifeboats on the Titanic.
Remember, you’re dealing with people who grew up on Disney and Fox News, “ugly=evil” until Disney (at least), got wise and tried to curb these simple duality stereotypes.

People hear “insurrection” and think “violence”!
Since they only see violence in a tiny fraction of the 40,000 hours of the videos then, “how bad could it be?”
That’s ignoring stomach cancer because “it doesn’t show!”
They’ll get it, after.
 
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The newest sentence handed down:

A judge sentenced an Air Force veteran — who entered the Senate chamber during the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol dressed in body armor and carrying zip-tie handcuffs — to two years in prison on Friday.

Larry R. Brock, a 55-year-old retired lieutenant colonel, joined other rioters on the Senate floor only minutes after security rushed then-Vice President Mike Pence out of the chamber and a mob, upset over then-President Donald Trump's 2020 loss to now-President Joe Biden, had breached the building.

A court found Brock, who lives in Galveston, Texas, guilty on six charges in November, including the obstruction of an official proceeding, which is a felony.

In his explanation of the sentence, US District Judge John Bates described Brock's behavior in harsh terms.

"It's really pretty astounding coming from a former high-ranked military officer. It's astounding and atrocious," the judge said.


Judge chastises Jan. 6 Capitol rioter, a former high-ranking military officer, during sentencing: 'Astounding and atrocious'
 
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