Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[Frank Robert]

I use science to prove the Bible is accurate and true. So atheists, agnostics & Christians all use Science to support their claims.

You continue to confuse religious belief with science.

So evil people can use science to build weapons of mass destruction. The people with the best weapons seem to have the advantage in battle. So as always, there is the use and abuse. In the same way, people who are greedy for money can use science to accomplish their agenda. I spent a lot of my life trying to convince people to do good and use what they have to help others and not harm them. This is the golden rule that we find in almost all religions except for terrorism.

The fact the science is misused or used for evil purposes by some is a of human nature. Some people, regardless of profession, are evil.

 

[Frank Robert]

so how did evolution of the early cells, evolve to the minimum cells we know today, which in the most stripped down forms are hundreds of bases?

By all indications they evolved over many years.

See:

New theory concludes that the origin of life on Earth-like planets is likely​

 

[Diamond72]

You continue to confuse religious belief with science.

That is an absurd statement.

 

[Diamond72]

By all indications they evolved over many years.

Where did the laws come from that regulate evolution?

 

[Frank Robert]

That is an absurd statement.

What field of science are you using to explain the bible and how exactly are you using it?

Where did the laws come from that regulate evolution?

That is a matter of conjecture.
Most Christians believe that laws of nature came from their God.
Other religions have their own beliefs.
They could have been a result of the big bang.
Evolution could have started from panspermia.
There could be natural causes that we are not aware of.
We may never know for sure.
Understanding nature may be more of a question for Philosophy rather than science.

See:​

Beyond the Laws of Nature​

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am far from qualified to give you a theory. I have to leave that up to people like Collins. So you admit that the man sitting on the top rung of the ladder of science is vague and blah. What does THAT say about science? I seem to have more regard for science than you do.

Unlike chocolate in your peanut butter, religion in your science is a bad idea (or vice versa). As you infer, a top science guy turns into a peddler of mush junk trying to make his religion compatible with science.

 

[Diamond72]

What field of science are you using to explain the bible and how exactly are you using it?

Mostly archeology finds ancient artifacts that are related to what we read in our Bible.

The basic steps of the scientific method are:

1. Observation: Scientists make observations about a natural phenomenon, event, or process.
2. Question: Based on the observations, scientists ask questions and develop hypotheses, which are tentative explanations or predictions.
3. Prediction: Scientists use the hypotheses to make predictions about what they expect to happen in experiments or natural phenomena.
4. Experimentation: Scientists conduct experiments to test their hypotheses and collect data.
5. Analysis: Scientists analyze the data using statistical methods and other techniques to determine whether the results support or contradict their hypotheses.
6. Conclusion: Based on the analysis, scientists draw conclusions and report their findings to the scientific community.

The scientific method is a fundamental tool in scientific research, and it allows scientists to test and refine their understanding of the natural world. It is a powerful process that helps us to learn about the world around us and make informed decisions based on evidence.

 

[Gene2memE]

Mostly archeology finds ancient artifacts that are related to what we read in our Bible.

Mostly archeology finds ancient artifacts that are completely unrelated to what's in the Biblical account. Biblical archeology and the like represent a small - and shrinking - sub-section of the massive field of archeology.

Additionally, a number of biblical claims - say, the Exodus narrative or the personhood of various Biblical patriarchs - have failed to yield any evidential support despite centuries of looking. While not wholly conclusive - evidence for the Exodus could well turn up tomorrow - this absence of evidence where we should be able to find something is enough for me to presently dismiss these claims as Jewish mythicism about their history.
And, despite decent evidence for the personhood of a literal Jesus and subsequent religious movement, there's nothing that I've been presented with that would lead me to conclude the supernatural elements of the story actually occurred. Otherwise, I'd be obliged to believe historical accounts of other supernatural events - that Mohammed split the moon in half, or that Joseph Smith was visited by the Angel Moroni and gifted divine insight to translate the golden tablets.

 

[Larniavc]

Mostly archeology finds ancient artifacts that are related to what we read in our Bible.

Un-true.

 

[Diamond72]

gr

Un-true.

Great, show me what you got in the way of evidence to back up your claim. Or are you just trying to sell me some swamp land in Florida with the claim that it is prime real estate?

 

[Diamond72]

Biblical archeology and the like represent a small - and shrinking - sub-section of the massive field of archeology.

Sometimes they may only find an arrowhead or some pottery, but even a little can tell a story. Then they find whole cities like Ur and Jericho and the walls of Jericho. That is far more than something tiny. In the pearl of great price, they sold all they had to buy a single pearl. You can not expect to find much before Noah because the flood destroyed so much.

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

That's exactly what the other guys who disagree with you say as well. You can see my problem.

Why don't you seek Him while He may be found? Seems to me you are content with not knowing Him or searching for Him. But, instead seek after the knowledge of man to support what you desire to be your god and belief.

 

[Frank Robert]

Mostly archeology finds ancient artifacts that are related to what we read in our Bible.

The basic steps of the scientific method are:

1. Observation: Scientists make observations about a natural phenomenon, event, or process.
2. Question: Based on the observations, scientists ask questions and develop hypotheses, which are tentative explanations or predictions.
3. Prediction: Scientists use the hypotheses to make predictions about what they expect to happen in experiments or natural phenomena.
4. Experimentation: Scientists conduct experiments to test their hypotheses and collect data.
5. Analysis: Scientists analyze the data using statistical methods and other techniques to determine whether the results support or contradict their hypotheses.
6. Conclusion: Based on the analysis, scientists draw conclusions and report their findings to the scientific community.

The scientific method is a fundamental tool in scientific research, and it allows scientists to test and refine their understanding of the natural world. It is a powerful process that helps us to learn about the world around us and make informed decisions based on evidence.

When you figure out a way to examine the supernatural events in the bible, such created kinds, with the scientific method let the rest of us know.

 

[Larniavc]

gr

Great, show me what you got in the way of evidence to back up your claim. Or are you just trying to sell me some swamp land in Florida with the claim that it is prime real estate?

That archaeological research data from all of the most of the world that has no connection to the Middle East? What are they? Scotch mist?

 

[Diamond72]

When you figure out a way to examine the supernatural events in the bible, such created kinds, with the scientific method let the rest of us know.

How can that be a problem for people who think we live in a simulation? I am trying to get people to live in the real world. But that seems to be too much to ask people to do. We are here on a mission, so we should get about the business of doing what we were sent here to do. I understand the world can be difficult. Still, people should pony up and live up to their responsibilities and quit trying to gold-brick it.

 

[Diamond72]

That archaeological research data from all of the most of the world that has no connection to the Middle East? What are they? Scotch mist?

My history book in High School was: "Ancient Times, A history of the Early World". Actually, not much has been added to the information we had 100 years ago from Breasted. He is the one that came up with the idea of "hunter-gather" and food producer. Even 100 years ago, they had already done a lot of archeology. Iran is pretty much a war zone and it just is not safe now to take students there to dig up new stuff for our understanding.

I asked my son to work on an underwater camera like the one they used for the Titanic. Even they put footage of that in the movie. I think it would be very interesting to start exploring the Persian Gulf to see what sort of ruins we can find of any civilization.

Underwater archaeologists have discovered more than 60 ancient submerged settlements beneath the waters of the Arabo-Persian Gulf. The settlements date to around 5,500 B.C. and their inhabitants were a “prospering Neolithic population practicing a combination of fishing, date palm cultivation, and animal husbandry.”

Searching For Dilmun: Underwater Ruins In The Persian Gulf Predate The Pharaohs And Sumer - Ancient Pages

Mysterious underwater ruins discovered at the bottom of the Persian Gulf could be traces of the world’s oldest civilization and re-write history.

www.ancientpages.com

 

[Larniavc]

My history book in High School was: "Ancient Times, A history of the Early World". Actually, not much has been added to the information we had 100 years ago from Breasted.

This opinion (and not the opiner) is idiotic.

 

[Hans Blaster]

My history book in High School was: "Ancient Times, A history of the Early World". Actually, not much has been added to the information we had 100 years ago from Breasted. He is the one that came up with the idea of "hunter-gather" and food producer. Even 100 years ago, they had already done a lot of archeology. Iran is pretty much a war zone and it just is not safe now to take students there to dig up new stuff for our understanding.

Your basing your opinions on a then 50-year-old book you used in HS 50 years ago?

Iran is not a "war zone". There hasn't been war in since they ended their war with Iraq 30+ years ago.

 

[Frank Robert]

How can that be a problem for people who think we live in a simulation? I am trying to get people to live in the real world. But that seems to be too much to ask people to do. We are here on a mission, so we should get about the business of doing what we were sent here to do. I understand the world can be difficult. Still, people should pony up and live up to their responsibilities and quit trying to gold-brick it.

You avoided my question so I will assume you agree that the supernatural is unavailable to be detected by the scientific method which is the reason it.

There is some evidence suggesting that our physical reality could be a simulated virtual reality rather than an objective world that exists independently of the observer. Check out the link if you are interested.

 

[Bradskii]

Why don't you seek Him while He may be found? Seems to me you are content with not knowing Him or searching for Him. But, instead seek after the knowledge of man to support what you desire to be your god and belief.

The question you ask is relevant to the point I am trying to make. What if I was searching and believed I had found God. And He told me, in no uncertain terms, that your views on, for example, creationism, evolution and science in general were completely wrong. Would you then deny what God is saying?