Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[Diamond72]

Radio, quantum mechanics, satellite communication, airplanes, internet...

Communication has a whole letter in the alphabet assigned to it. People should be able to demonstrate this even before they begin school. In Hebrew and Jewish tradition, "pey" is significant in various ways, including being the first letter of the Hebrew word "Peh," which means "mouth." It is also associated with prayer and speech, as well as with the Hebrew month of Adar, which is traditionally considered a time of rejoicing and celebration.

In the same way the letter C represents commerce or at first camel. An airplane is an advanced form of travel.

God gives us wisdom. In many religious traditions, it is believed that God created the universe through knowledge and understanding. The idea is that God had a perfect understanding of the natural world and the laws that govern it, and was able to use that knowledge to create the universe in a deliberate and purposeful way.

 

[Diamond72]

Zeus did it.

According to mythology, Zeus was responsible for:

• Controlling the weather and natural phenomena such as lightning, thunder, and storms
• Ruling over the other gods and goddesses on Mount Olympus
• Maintaining order in the universe and punishing those who broke divine laws
• Protecting hospitality, particularly to travelers and strangers

 

[trophy33]

Communication has a whole letter in the alphabet assigned to it. People should be able to demonstrate this even before they begin school. In Hebrew and Jewish tradition, "pey" is significant in various ways, including being the first letter of the Hebrew word "Peh," which means "mouth." It is also associated with prayer and speech, as well as with the Hebrew month of Adar, which is traditionally considered a time of rejoicing and celebration.

In the same way the letter C represents commerce or at first camel. An airplane is an advanced form of travel.

God gives us wisdom. In many religious traditions, it is believed that God created the universe through knowledge and understanding. The idea is that God had a perfect understanding of the natural world and the laws that govern it, and was able to use that knowledge to create the universe in a deliberate and purposeful way.

You need a specific scientific knowledge to produce an airplane. And its not in the Bible. Similarly with other things (internet, radio etc).

 

[Diamond72]

You need a specific scientific knowledge to produce an airplane.

I am sorry you do not understand what I am saying the symbolism and how to interpret the allegories and archetypes. Even though children have no problem with that.

Matthew 18:3​

“I assure you,” He said, “unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

FIRST you have to look at who the Bible was written to. Then you look at how the Bible applies to us today. I am just trying to help you to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to mythology, Zeus was responsible for:

Would you do me a favor, please, and ask Chatbox which muse is in charge of science?

I know there are nine muses in charge of the arts & sciences, but I'm curious which one is specifically assigned to science per se.

 

[Frank Robert]

According to mythology, Zeus was responsible for:

• Controlling the weather and natural phenomena such as lightning, thunder, and storms
• Ruling over the other gods and goddesses on Mount Olympus
• Maintaining order in the universe and punishing those who broke divine laws
• Protecting hospitality, particularly to travelers and strangers

Thanks for the correction, I am rusty on the Greek gods. Apparently, PHANES was the primordial god of creation and the generator of life but he was hatched from the primordial egg, world egg, cosmic egg or mundane egg. Most religions have their own versions of the primordial egg or beginning of life. Some commenters believe their religious belief is the correct one while the more scientific savvy commenters make no such claims but matter-of-factually point out that science is using tools from biology and chemistry, with more recent approaches in attempting a synthesis of many sciences.

 

[AV1611VET]

Apparently, PHANES was the primordial god of creation and the generator of life but he was hatched from the primordial egg, world egg, cosmic egg or mundane egg.

Ever heard of the "primordial atom"?

Most religions have their own versions of the primordial egg or beginning of life.

Yup.

Some commenters believe their religious belief is the correct one ...

Yup.

... while the more scientific savvy commenters make no such claims ...

Actually they do.

They just don't know they're doing it.

 

[Frank Robert]

Ever heard of the "primordial atom"?

Wouldn't that be the beginning of life?

Actually they do.

They just don't know they're doing it.

I agree that scientists would think that their research is on the right track or they wouldn't pursue it, even so most savvy ones understand that the large majority of scientific hypotheses lead to dead ends and are aware that many scientific theories have been become obsolete or superseded.

 

[Diamond72]

Would you do me a favor, please, and ask Chatbox which muse is in charge of science?

I know there are nine muses in charge of the arts & sciences, but I'm curious which one is specifically assigned to science per se.

In Greek mythology, the muse associated with science is Urania. She is one of the nine Muses and is often depicted holding a globe or a celestial sphere, which symbolizes her connection to astronomy and the study of the heavens. Urania is also sometimes associated with geometry and mathematics.

According to some myths, Urania was the daughter of Zeus and Mnemosyne, the goddess of memory. She was often depicted as a serene and contemplative figure, gazing up at the stars and contemplating the mysteries of the universe. She was sometimes depicted with a book or a scroll, symbolizing the knowledge and wisdom she embodied.

Overall, Urania represents the importance of knowledge, wisdom, and intellectual curiosity. She reminds us of the beauty and wonder of the universe, and the importance of understanding its mysteries through scientific exploration and study.

While there is no evidence to suggest that the Muses were real people, their influence and legacy have been felt throughout history, inspiring countless artists, musicians, writers, and thinkers to create and pursue their passions.

 

[AV1611VET]

While there is no evidence to suggest that the Muses were real people, their influence and legacy have been felt throughout history, inspiring countless artists, musicians, writers, and thinkers to create and pursue their passions.

Thank you, Diamond, for the info.

For the record I, personally, think they are real.

 

[dlamberth]

According to mythology, Zeus was responsible for:

• Controlling the weather and natural phenomena such as lightning, thunder, and storms
• Ruling over the other gods and goddesses on Mount Olympus
• Maintaining order in the universe and punishing those who broke divine laws
• Protecting hospitality, particularly to travelers and strangers

Sounds some what like the Christian God, doesn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sounds some what like the Christian God, doesn't it?

Diabolical mimicry.

And who's being duped?

Christians or scientists?

 

[Bradskii]

If you mean
There is actual scientific evidence of created tissue in our own time ( pathologist think so too) in eucharistic miracles

Whilst there is no evidence whatsoever of the process of what happened leading to the minimum cells we know - the abiogenesis / evolution speculation on origin of life.

So the score on evidence is creation 5 , abiogenesis 0, then you are right.
it is also astounding.

But if you mean examining evidence is a waste of your time , if it contradicts your assumptions, only you can make that value judgement - but that it is true, why do you waste any time on a science forum, since all of your time is wasted here! Strange.

But then as a scientist , I am used to assessing scientific data and keeping emotion out of it. Others here? Not so much.

I guess it’s a problem with pseudoscientific populist media and pseudoscientific authors like Dawkins.
they have this silly black and white boundary between evolution and abiogenesis, as do you.

To prove a point - Tell me. Which side of 100 base genome and 1000 proteins in a cell , do you decide is abiogenesis?

Because the obvious answer is far less, in which case by that definition most of the development of life ane the minimum present cells was on the evolution side of your line. The idea a complex cell popped into existence as a chemical process from the right molecules is a non starter.

But if you do think abiogebesis happened as a far simpler cell, then you have no evidence that cell evolution happened or how. So yes , I question evolution And abiogenesis as any scientist must. there is Far too much woolly thinking on forums like this.

No - I am not YEC. I am simply a scientist who can only say “ don’t know” on the basis of present knowledge.
It’s only non scientists and wishful thinkers who think present evidence of abiogenesis/evolution accounts for life.

Nothing to say in response which hasn't been explained to you on numerous occasions, so I'm certainly not going to waste my time repeating them. You'd also do well not to waste your time posting the same comments over and over again.

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

Ah, so it's the Spirit of Truth that tells you. It's not like you have a colour coded bible, one colour for metaphor and one for literal. OK, got you.

It's just that a lot of other people say the same thing. That they are guided by God as to how to interpret scripture. And here's the thing...they disagree with you. They say, for example, that Genesis is a metaphor.

Which is then something of a problem for people like me. One Christian says God says this. And other that God says that. But don't concern yourself. I've worked out how to tell who is right and who is wrong. I've accepted that if God exists, then as He is truth itself, He's not going to lie to us. And as He's omnipotent, He could do anything He wants. So I look at the evidence for what He has done. His evidence. That He has left us. And that tells me which Christians are right. And which ones are wrong.

Thanks for your input.

I believe God and His Truth. I will hold to Him being that Truth from Genesis to Revelation He said He spoke and it happened. That is all I need.

 

[Bradskii]

I believe God and His Truth. I will hold to Him being that Truth from Genesis to Revelation He said He spoke and it happened. That is all I need.

That's exactly what the other guys who disagree with you say as well. You can see my problem.

 

[trophy33]

I am sorry you do not understand what I am saying the symbolism and how to interpret the allegories and archetypes. Even though children have no problem with that.

Matthew 18:3​

“I assure you,” He said, “unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

FIRST you have to look at who the Bible was written to. Then you look at how the Bible applies to us today. I am just trying to help you to understand.

Its really hard to understand what you try to say. Your mixing of symbolism, fantasy and science into one is difficult to follow. Children are easy to lie to, we are adults here. What you say must make sense, at least.

The verse about becoming like children is not about buying every soup somebody is trying to sell, without a proper examination.

 

[Diamond72]

Its really hard to understand what you try to say.

Yes, the Bible is difficult to understand. That is the point I am trying to make. We have to be born again and a new creation in Christ. We need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and lead by the God in what we do, say or think. He is our Comfort, Guide and Teacher. He can rescue, save, heal and deliver us. And all that believe will say, Amen.

 

[Diamond72]

You can see my problem.

No problem, because we have the Holy Spirit of God and He is our Comforter, Teacher and Guide. So we have no need of man. They can share their struggle and journey with us, but we have our own road to travel.

 

[Diamond72]

Sounds some what like the Christian God, doesn't it?

Satan said: "I shall be as God". Our job is to give worship, praise and honor to God.

 

[Diamond72]

For the record I, personally, think they are real.

I think the pre flood people were real. But there is no evidence because that was destroyed in the flood.