Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[dlamberth]

I guess that depends on one's beliefs.

Yep. In the example given, Panentheism. I'm just broadening the scope of Creation images.

 

[dlamberth]

Including "heat death"?

Yep! That too!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep! That too!

Well, for the record, JEHOVAH is gong to pwn Omnia, just like He pwned the Egyptian gods with the Ten Plagues.

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

 

[dlamberth]

Well, for the record, JEHOVAH is gong to pwn Omnia, just like He pwned the Egyptian gods with the Ten Plagues.

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

That's nice.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's nice.

Omnia will try to run, but won't get very far.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Then JEHOVAH will take her and ... well ...

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And as for whom the scientists credit for the giver and sustainer of life ...

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That's nice.

But is it coherent? I can't seem to figure out what he is talking about.

 

[Mountainmike]

You keep repeating the same thing. Yes, nobody knows the exact process of abiogenesis. Including you. Is this all we're going to get from now on in? Evolution doesn't account for life. It's a completely separate discipline from abiogenesis.

You say you go where the evidence leads but all you've given us are bleeding statues. Which again has absolutely nothing to do with abiogenesis or evolution. It neither explains the first or discounts the second.

Looks like you've blown yourself out. Nothing more to offer, no explanations given, no questions answered and no evidence produced. What a complete waste of forum time...

You have blown yourself out claiming that evolution is one of the "strongest" theories, when it is not a single theory at all.
I have presented the true status.

If you want strong theories try I suggested kinetic theory of gases or special relativity. ( I could point at many others you can actually test!) It makes me wonder if any of you know any science at all.

Do you? Do you read the science, or only headlines you "like"

Answer me questions you evolution believer:
-How many starts did life have, how many parallel tracks? If as you say it was chemical of origin, then it should or could have multiple starts that then can diverge since they are unguided.. Multiple tracks to present day.
-What was the first Genome, was it other than RNA/DNA? What other genomes preceded DNA/RNA?
- When and where did life start?
Reality is you do not have a clue. Nor frank robert.

Evolution/Abiogenesis as origin of life is pure speculation with no evidence of substance despite the enormous volume of money thrown at it. As a scientist I can only say "I dont know" .
It is only believers like you who think evolution/abiogenesis are the answer to life origin.

I have no problem admitting my belief in creation is a belief. You should do the same with your belief, instead of trying to pretend you have answers, worse still pretending science has answers It does not. You are misleading others.

And the context of the EM is scientific evidence of created life. Where there is none for life created by abiogenesis, only pure speculation.
That is how important that is.

 

[Bradskii]

Where there is none for life created by abiogenesis, only pure speculation.

God did it it. Personally I have no idea how. Let us know how YOU think He did it. Otherwise please stop wasting my time.

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

Then you were one of the lucky ones. What happens to the nearly 6 billion people who were born to other religions or that didn't get the message?

All of creation shows that God exist. All will have heard the Gospel and all have been given a measure of faith. What one places that faith in is up to the individual. Many people "born" into other religions have came to know the Truth because they searched for it or listened and accepted it. No one is born into religion it is practiced and accepted in the heart and mind. For example if all my family members were great chefs does not mean I am destined to become one myself. There comes a point of individual choice.

 

[Frank Robert]

All of creation shows that God exist. All will have heard the Gospel and all have been given a measure of faith. What one places that faith in is up to the individual. Many people "born" into other religions have came to know the Truth because they searched for it or listened and accepted it. No one is born into religion it is practiced and accepted in the heart and mind. For example if all my family members were great chefs does not mean I am destined to become one myself. There comes a point of individual choice.

For Hindus the universe was created by Brahma, the creator who made the universe out of himself. After Brahma created the world, it is the power of Vishnu which preserves the world and human beings. As part of the cycle of birth, life and death it is Shiva who will ultimately destroy the universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

But is it coherent?

Yes.

I can't seem to figure out what he is talking about.

Lambert is a panentheist.

His god is literally everything (Omnia is Latin for "everything").

JEHOVAH is going to destroy His creation in the end, and remake it.

This would be a foreign concept to panentheism.

So while Lambert is worshiping the trees and the clouds and the volcanoes and the sun, those things are on JEHOVAH's "hit list."

 

[dlamberth]

But is it coherent? I can't seem to figure out what he is talking about.

What I understood is that he's saying his God is better than my God.

 

[dlamberth]

Yes.



Lambert is a panentheist.

His god is literally everything (Omnia is Latin for "everything").

JEHOVAH is going to destroy His creation in the end, and remake it.

This would be a foreign concept to panentheism.

So while Lambert is worshiping the trees and the clouds and the volcanoes and the sun, those things are on JEHOVAH's "hit list."

AV what your describing is a Panthesim. We've been around the tree on this several times now. I do not worship trees or clouds or anything physical...including Jesus. I'm not a Panthest. In the same breath, I think it's totally ridiculous that God is going to destroy this world and remake it. In my opinion, that's more of a Greek/Roman Pagan God sort of trajectory which I reject.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What I understood is that he's saying his God is better than my God.

In context it now feels like the 8-year-old's cry of "My dad can beat up your dad." I am so not interested.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am so not interested.

Neither were the Egyptians -- until it happened.

 

[dlamberth]

In context it now feels like the 8-year-old's cry of "My dad can beat up your dad." I am so not interested.

Ya...Agreed!

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

For Hindus the universe was created by Brahma, the creator who made the universe out of himself. After Brahma created the world, it is the power of Vishnu which preserves the world and human beings. As part of the cycle of birth, life and death it is Shiva who will ultimately destroy the universe.

And they give to their idols to try to gain favor with them. My God gave His son as a sacrifice to pay mankinds sin debt. My God lives and is not a statue created and worshiped by man. There are many false religions made up by man to evade the Truth it is easier to create a god that can be manipulated to suit what one desires to be truth.

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

Man was dead before God breathed life into him. Lazarus was dead and rose from the dead into life. Tabitha came back to life. Most importantly Jesus died and rose again. So dead into life We do understand maybe it is you who has not grasped the concept? Ezekiel and the dead bones? If you wish to argue that all the living tissue had not perished.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge I am not ignorant of your evoloutionary rhetoric. You were not there when it all began so who is being ignorant? There is a hole in practically every scientific theory even Einstein used God as an unknown factor when he could not explain certain aspects of his ideas. You sir are no Einstein. So do not steep so low as to call me ignorant unless you think yourself god. For God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. If my faith in God makes me ignorant in your eyes than so be it. You I do not have to answer to come judgement day.

 

[Bradskii]

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge I am not ignorant of your evoloutionary rhetoric. You were not there when it all began so who is being ignorant? There is a hole in practically every scientific theory even Einstein used God as an unknown factor when he could not explain certain aspects of his ideas. You sir are no Einstein. So do not steep so low as to call me ignorant unless you think yourself god. For God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. If my faith in God makes me ignorant in your eyes than so be it. You I do not have to answer to come judgement day.

Apart from quoting your own posts, you might like to crank back the proselytizing in the Physical and Life Sciences section. It's frowned upon. I doubt if you have much on topic to discuss, but we'd all be keen to hear it if you do.

Any answer to the question regarding how you know which parts of the the bible are metaphorical?

 

[AV1611VET]

Any answer to the question regarding how you know which parts of the the bible are metaphorical?

Genesis 15:1a After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision,

Genesis 28:12a And he dreamed,

Mark 13:28a Now learn a parable of the fig tree;

Galatians 4:24a Which things are an allegory:

Let the Bible speak for Itself.

It'll tell you.