How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

[Hammster]

In this case it worked for the betterment of the Patriarchs.

In many cases, sin lead to death (Romans 6:23) which is not what He wants:

Ezekiel 18:30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!​

And yet, He’s still in control.

 

[Hammster]

Dah'veed said:
As a matter of fact, Jesus went there Himself. "Whoever drinks from the water I give will never thirst."

The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am He.” John 4:22-26

And where do you think the Samaritan woman was from?

But one of them, seeing that he was healed, quickly bowed at Jesus’ feet and thanked Him. (The man was a Samaritan.) Luke 17:15-16

Do you see the Samaritan woman mentioned in the OP?

 

[BBAS 64]

In this case it worked for the betterment of the Patriarchs.

In many cases, sin lead to death (Romans 6:23) which is not what He wants:

Ezekiel 18:30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!​

Good Day, John

But he numbers the days of His creation, we can not escape the determined day of our death... For God the death of His Saints is Precious.

Ps 116: 15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Dah'veed]

Do you see the Samaritan woman mentioned in the OP?

If you had included the account of the Samaritans in the opening post and argued that salvation was not afforded at the same time,
then you would seem confused or deceptive.

Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, ....
So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days.
And because of his words many more became believers.
They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves,
and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.” John 14:39-42

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We have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, John 6:69

 

[Hammster]

If you had included the account of the Samaritans in the opening post and argued that salvation was not afforded at the same time,
then you would seem confused or deceptive.

But I didn’t.

Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, ....
So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days.
And because of his words many more became believers.
They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves,
and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.” John 14:39-42

_________________________________________________________________________
We have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, John 6:69

I can’t figure out how to explain this. The OP is specific. I even reposted it for you. Why are you not wanting to engage with what the topic is?

 

[zoidar]

It made more sense last night. So let’s try this.

In John 10, the sheep are given to Him by His Father. It’s a know group. They don’t become sheep, and then are given. They are already sheep, otherwise they would be goats given to Christ.

The picture is that God gives His Son a flock of sheep to care for. Christ loves His Father and the sheep, and lays His life down for the sheep. It’s the sheep that hear His voice and follow. It’s not the goats that hear His voice, decide to follow, and somewhere turn into sheep.

Even in the parable of the sheep and goats, if you read it carefully, they aren’t sheep or goats based on what they do. They act the way they do because they are sheep or goats.

I understand the argument. I don't know if I want to engage in it. Feels a bit like this is a neverending discussion.

 

[zoidar]

Good Day, Zoidar

So God's means (effective and purposeful) was to come to Abimelech by a dream....

If God's purpose in coming (in a dream) was to stop sinning, could God fail to bring about the purposeful intention out come he desired?

Thus making his means ineffective?

in Him,

Bill

God's purposeful intention was to deliver the message and give the responsiblity to Abimelech to make the right decision.

 

[John Mullally]

Good Day, John

But he numbers the days of His creation, we can not escape the determined day of our death... For God the death of His Saints is Precious.

Ps 116: 15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

In Him,

Bill

That scripture says nothing about God setting anyone's predetermined day of death.

The length of our live is not guaranteed, but everyone knows we can do things that will tend to lengthen or shorten our lives - like exercise and don't walk out into traffic. Here is one from scripture:

Ephesians 6:2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”​

 

[John Mullally]

And yet, He’s still in control.

That means something different for different people. For me it means that although God gives man a free will, we can look to Him to fulfill His word.

For Calvin it means that God has his hand in everything and determines every event that ever occurs.

“Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3)​

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“…it is vain to debate about prescience, which it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

 

[Hammster]

I understand the argument. I don't know if I want to engage in it. Feels a bit like this is a neverending discussion.

Once you agree, it will end.

 

[Hammster]

That means something different for different people. For me it means that although God gives man a free will, we can look to Him to fulfill His word.

For Calvin it means that God has his hand in everything and determines every event that ever occurs.

“Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3)​

​

“…it is vain to debate about prescience, which it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

Of course He does. See Genesis 50:20.

And the cross.

 

[John Mullally]

That means something different for different people. For me it means that although God gives man a free will, we can look to Him to fulfill His word.

For Calvin it means that God has his hand in everything and determines every event that ever occurs.

Of course He does. See Genesis 50:20.

And the cross.

Please expand upon your sentence as I don't know what you are talking about: "Of course He does." Write complete thoughts.

 

[Hammster]

Please expand upon your sentence as I don't know what you are talking about: "Of course He does." Write complete thoughts.

I will, once you stop with the rudeness.

 

[Dah'veed]

But I didn’t.

I can’t figure out how to explain this. The OP is specific. I even reposted it for you. Why are you not wanting to engage with what the topic is?

It's specific that He acts on behalf of the believing Jews and the Gentiles also.

He did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles; As he says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people; Rom 9:23-25

Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; 1 Peter 2:10

 

[Hammster]

It's specific that He acts on behalf of the believing Jews and the Gentiles also.

He did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles; As he says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people; Rom 9:23-25

Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; 1 Peter 2:10

Still…not on topic.

 

[zoidar]

Still…not on topic.

It's closer!

 

[Dah'veed]

Still…not on topic.

Do you mean not in agreement with your illusion that Christ did not save the Gentiles?

And when the Gentiles heard, they rejoiced and glorified the Word of God; and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed in Jesus as the Christ and their Savior. Acts 13:48

 

[Hammster]

Do you mean not in agreement with your illusion that Christ did not save the Gentiles?

Where did I say that?

 

[Dah'veed]

Where did I say that?

"how-many-gentiles-were-lost-because-jesus-didn’t-act"

For I tell you that Christ has become a Servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy [to them, through the covenant in Christ]. (Once you had not obtained mercy, but now you have obtained)
Again, it says,
“Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.”
And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles;
let all the peoples extol him.”
And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up,
one who will arise to rule over the nations; Rom 15:8-12 "Make disciples of all nations..."

 

[Hammster]

"how-many-gentiles-were-lost-because-jesus-didn’t-act"

I edited the OP title. Now try again.