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Trump To Take Action After Ohio Train Disaster

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I wasn't aware that the DOT was on the hook for supplying disaster aid. Either way, he brought the same amount as Elaine Chao brought to Dupont, WA.


Is the federal government not providing aid to East Palestine?
2.5 Billion dollars would have been enough to set things right, but biden skipped Ohio and the rest of the country (on President's Day, no less) to give it to Ukraine, as if 120 Billion previously given wasn't enough.
In fact,, biden not only didn't go to Ohio, he still doesn't plan to: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/politics/joe-biden-east-palestine/index.html
 
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2.5 Billion dollars would have been enough to set things right,

Would it have been? How do you know? FEMA has been on site the entire time - paying out money is one of the big things that FEMA does.


but biden skipped Ohio and the rest of the country (on President's Day, no less) to give it to Ukraine, as if 120 Billion previously given wasn't enough.

Do you have a problem with him aiding Ukraine?

In fact,, biden not only didn't go to Ohio, he still doesn't plan to: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/politics/joe-biden-east-palestine/index.html

I didn't ask if Biden showed up. I asked if the federal government was providing aid. Contrary to what Trump would have you believe, they're not the same thing. Unless you consider mindless pandering and politicking to be "aid."

Heck, maybe you do consider that "aid." Do you? If you guys were forced out of your house by a disaster, would having an out-of-office politician swing by and give a campaign rally make you feel better about your situation? It wouldn't really do anything for me, but maybe there's something about the right-wing psyche I don't understand.
 
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I want to see the responsible party pay up first. After that I'm ok with my tax $ helping out.
And I want to see my tax dollars go toward my own country and its citizens first before it goes to a country on the other side of the world that has been known to be the most corrupt government in the world. I also want to see my president showing support for the citizens of this country before he goes to a different country to show billions of dollars of support for it.
 
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And I want to see my tax dollars go toward my own country and its citizens first before it goes to a country on the other side of the world that has been known to be the most corrupt government in the world. I also want to see my president showing support for the citizens of this country before he goes to a different country to show billions of dollars of support for it.
I completely support USA help for Ukr. Nothing about our support there is affecting the situation in OH one way or the other.
 
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I completely support USA help for Ukr. Nothing about our support there is affecting the situation in OH one way or the other.
Except for the diversion of billions of our tax dollars going to Ukraine instead of our own citizens in Ohio.
 
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Except for the diversion of billions of our tax dollars going to Ukraine instead of our own citizens in Ohio.
Why does helping Ukraine prevent us from helping Ohio?
 
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Except for the diversion of billions of our tax dollars going to Ukraine instead of our own citizens in Ohio.
That’s nice, this thread isn’t about this though, this is a Trump thread.
 
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That is something that you don't know. He killed the regulation which was meant to correct the issue which caused it the derailment.
As I understand it, the rule, in its final form under Obama, would not have covered the materials carried by this train.

It's fair to say that Trump certainly did not act to increase safety; rather, he crowed about every regulation he eliminated.
 
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It's fair to say that Trump certainly did not act to increase safety; rather, he crowed about every regulation he eliminated.
Just as it's fair to say that initial findings indicate that no regulation he eliminated contributed to the derailment. The final report may find differently, but as it stands now, uh-uh.
 
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That is something that you don't know. He killed the regulation which was meant to correct the issue which caused it the derailment.

As I understand it, the rule, in its final form under Obama, would not have covered the materials carried by this train.

It's fair to say that Trump certainly did not act to increase safety; rather, he crowed about every regulation he eliminated.
Not only would it not have covered the materials on the train, the failure on this train was not in the brakes.
 
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As I understand it, the rule, in its final form under Obama, would not have covered the materials carried by this train.

It's fair to say that Trump certainly did not act to increase safety; rather, he crowed about every regulation he eliminated.
The regulation would have updated the brakes on the cars. Trump stopped that and many others which would help ensure safety. The breaks on that car may have been replaced had Trump not ended the order.
 
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Not only would it not have covered the materials on the train, the failure on this train was not in the brakes.
The NTSB has not ruled on exactly what caused the derailment. The train derailed when the brakes were applied after the over heated bearings were detected. The train was rated as mixed materials, which meant not all cars were carrying hazardous materials.

It may take months for the full report to be issued by the NTSB.
 
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The regulation would have updated the brakes on the cars. Trump stopped that and many others which would help ensure safety. The breaks on that car may have been replaced had Trump not ended the order.
It doesn't appear that previous rule would have applied in this case anyway. It was fairly narrowly tailored and the train in question didn't meet the requirements for the rule to have been in effect.
 
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The regulation would have updated the brakes on the cars. Trump stopped that and many others which would help ensure safety. The breaks on that car may have been replaced had Trump not ended the order.
Likely not given the regulation. Doesn't really matter anyways. The problem doesn't seem to have been the breaks, but a broken bearing which nobody was alerted of. Why nobody was alerted is still not clear (did the system to detect the fault not work properly? The engineer not notice the alarm? Did the alarm threshold just get crossed at a bad time and the threshold needs to be tighter?)
 
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Did the alarm threshold just get crossed at a bad time and the threshold needs to be tighter?)
That’s what it sounds like from the NTSB preliminary report. Elevated temperatures were detected by three sensors, but it wasn’t until the third one where they were over the threshold for stopping the train, a process which was initiated. But at that point, they were way over the threshold and it was too late. IIRC, the gap between sensors 1 and 2 was 10 miles, but between 2 and 3 it was 20 miles.
 
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