Hide your classroom books to avoid felony charges, Florida school districts tell teachers

[keith99]

Meanwhile, in Florida higher education.

A new bill overhauling Florida universities to match Gov. Ron DeSantis’ vision for higher education would shift power at state schools into the hands of the Republican leader’s political appointees and ban gender studies as a field of study.

The legislation, filed this week, would also require that general education courses at state colleges and universities “promote the values necessary to preserve the constitutional republic” and cannot define American history “as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.” It would prohibit general courses “with a curriculum based on unproven, theoretical or exploratory content.”

Thank heavens Christianity, natural rights and capitalism will finally be removed from the state indoctrination centers.

Do you think they will ban all the Harry Potter books or just The Order of the Phoenix?

 

[rjs330]

Honestly, only in America can you look at a classroom with no books in it and think "Well, whatever law that created that scenario replicating throughout classrooms in that state is intelligent and reasonable law".

Yeesh.

Christians in America could realize a greater way of bringing people to God that forcing their own personal priorities on others. But again, I have a feeling it's more just about exerting their own power over others. But I think they want to do THAT because they believe the people that they fear are trying to indoctrinate them into such damnable lies as "hey it's not your business, just relax and let them exist" all the way to "Tulsa Riots are worth knowing about".

The law didn't create that scenario the educational system did. If you ask me they knew what they were doing. They were just trying to create a stir to say, "see what those big bad Republicans made us do?" It's was just click bait.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The law didn't create that scenario the educational system did.

Once again, we have the guidance from DeSantis' own Education Department.

"This rule clarifies that library materials, including classroom libraries, must be approved and selected by a media specialist."

Media specialists only received their new government training materials just recently. So there were zero approved books in the state. Therefore all books in libraries and classrooms had to be removed or hidden or otherwise kept from getting into students' hands, pending their potential future approval.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Once again, we have the guidance from DeSantis' own Education Department.

"This rule clarifies that library materials, including classroom libraries, must be approved and selected by a media specialist."

Media specialists only received their new government training materials just recently. So there were zero approved books in the state. Therefore all books in libraries and classrooms had to be removed or hidden or otherwise kept from getting into students' hands, pending their potential future approval.

Nowhere in the order does it say books "have to be removed" or that they were banned.

 

[rjs330]

Once again, we have the guidance from DeSantis' own Education Department.

"This rule clarifies that library materials, including classroom libraries, must be approved and selected by a media specialist."

Media specialists only received their new government training materials just recently. So there were zero approved books in the state. Therefore all books in libraries and classrooms had to be removed or hidden or otherwise kept from getting into students' hands, pending their potential future approval.

I don't believe your "therefore" is valid. Did every school district in the state of Florida remove all books from all classrooms and libraries? Did the guidance tell every teacher and librarian they to remove every book?

 

[Pommer]

Uhhh....capitalism?

You think basic economics are purely theoretical?

Capitalism 101: “You have what Joe wants and Joe has what you want. But make him give you more than just what you want this time, because Bill wants that bauble that Joe has too! (Or just kill Joe and take all of his stuff.)”
It’s in our DNA to “out compete” other “DNA machines”.
Capitalism isn’t the best economic system available, but it is the subtlest form of War.
Guess what happens when we end up with “too many casualties?”

Interestingly, this is also History 101.

 

[Pommer]

Do you think they will ban all the Harry Potter books or just The Order of the Phoenix?

Have we gotten to the “schools should only be allowed to teach Good and Holy Things, blessed by the imprimatur of the Party Dear Leader Government!” already!?

But seriously this only seems to target history: “approved literature” is far off yet, months, maybe!

 

[Pommer]

The law didn't create that scenario the educational system did. If you ask me they knew what they were doing. They were just trying to create a stir to say, "see what those big bad Republicans made us do?" It's was just click bait.

It’s a “good thing” when a government is so small that it gets into the nitty-gritty of the philosophy of educational values?
Maybe The Government decides that pi only needs to have sixteen numerals, including the “three”.
There, won’t that be fun to argue over?

 

[rjs330]

It’s a “good thing” when a government is so small that it gets into the nitty-gritty of the philosophy of educational values?
Maybe The Government decides that pi only needs to have sixteen numerals, including the “three”.
There, won’t that be fun to argue over?

Don't most states have a department of education? That's government. The feds also have one, that's government also. You didn't seem to be upset when they were advocating for teaching this stuff. And now when one part of government, the ELECTED part starts to say to the UNELECTED part hey we need to limit what you are indoctrinating kids with you are not happy about it. It seems that you are all for government control as long as it's unelected people pushing this but when elected people from the other side get involved, well we can't have that.

I actually would like to get rid of the federal department of education all together. I would like states to handle this themselves and have them accountable to the people of the state. Oversight is always needed with people in power and the people should always be the ultimate oversight.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Thinking about the title of the thread:

Would you want a person who willingly commits a felony to teach your child? What happened to integrity?

 

[rambot]

The law didn't create that scenario the educational system did. If you ask me they knew what they were doing. They were just trying to create a stir to say, "see what those big bad Republicans made us do?" It's was just click bait.

No. That's not true. If that law wasn't in place, those books would still be on the shelf. It's the most unfathomably stupid rule I have ever heard.

They knew what they were doing? Of COURSE they did. They don't want to offend the lilly white racists who can't bear to handle the abuse of being reminded of the tragedies black people and gay people have been subjected to by their ancestors. This is how you keep your job as a teacher in Florida.
I'm sure you would think that was evil teachers being manipulative, but that's because you don't trust them to begin with.



The grandchildren of the people yelling at Ruby Bridges to get out of their school and all sorts of colour epithets are now the ones who don't want books about Ruby Bridges read in their children's school.


It's just a bunch of cowards crying about being unable to control their own children and every single thing that they are presented with.

 

[rambot]

Thinking about the title of the thread:

Would you want a person who willingly commits a felony to teach your child? What happened to integrity?

Funny, I think about the title of the tread and I think two things:

Why, in the name of all good things, would you be in favour of all book being removed from a classroom.

and

It's HILARIOUs you are conflating integrity with having a child read a book their parents are uncomfortable with.


The fear that 9/11 started is NOT abating throughout America, mostly amongst the right. They are trying to control others because the irrational fear is undermining their existence.

 

[NxNW]

Would you want a person who willingly commits a felony to teach your child? What happened to integrity?

Why would you want teaching your child to be considered a felony?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Funny, I think about the title of the tread and I think two things:

Why, in the name of all good things, would you be in favour of all book being removed from a classroom.

I am not and never said I was -

and

It's HILARIOUs you are conflating integrity with having a child read a book their parents are uncomfortable with.

You are in favor of adults comiting felonious acts on children? Integrity means living according to the law - IOW don't do crimes especially ones against children.

If an adult comes to a playground and shows the EXACT same material to children they are considered a pedophile - but, if they are in a classroom - they are heros? What sense does that make?

The fear that 9/11 started is NOT abating throughout America, mostly amongst the right. They are trying to control others because the irrational fear is undermining their existence.

Nope - if you want the books to not be felonies - change the law - until then - don't hide them, don't keep them from people who are responsible for the child's primary well being - the parents.

What this has to do with 9/11 is only, IMHO, a product of an overactive imagination.

Why would you want teaching your child to be considered a felony?

I don't and never said I did. What I did say why would you knowingly comit a felony?

 

[rambot]

I am not and never said I was -

You are in favor of adults comiting felonious acts on children? Integrity means living according to the law - IOW don't do crimes especially ones against children.

Integrity means no such thing. Integrity means doing the RIGHT thing. You think that the law is RIGHT. It is not.

If an adult comes to a playground and shows the EXACT same material to children they are considered a pedophile - but, if they are in a classroom - they are heros? What sense does that make?

Enough with the vapours. You are exploiting something when you use the phrase "same materials" when you clearly don't know the scope of what that means, so maybe just settle yourself.

Nope - if you want the books to not be felonies - change the law - until then - don't hide them, don't keep them from people who are responsible for the child's primary well being - the parents.

What this has to do with 9/11 is only, IMHO, a product of an overactive imagination.

I don't and never said I did. What I did say why would you knowingly comit a felony?

I ABSOLUTELY would commit a felony if the law is unjust.


My ancestors smuggled Jewish children around Amsterdam in the baskets of bikes. Stop suggesting this childish idea that following laws has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to do with integrity.

Bah.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Integrity means no such thing. Integrity means doing the RIGHT thing. You think that the law is RIGHT. It is not.

It is in fact the law - regardless of a person's personal view. I agree - Integrity means doing the RIGHT thing and that RIGHT thing would be a law abiding citizen. Our states and country has systems in place if one things a law is wrong - be an agent of change -

There were enough people who considered marijunana necessary medically - viola - they changed the law. Even if people didn't agree with them

That is what person of INTEGRITY does.

Enough with the vapours. You are exploiting something when you use the phrase "same materials" when you clearly don't know the scope of what that means, so maybe just settle yourself.

No vapors- just the plain and simple truth - if it is a felony in the classroom - it is a felony on the playground. The law does not change based on location.

I ABSOLUTELY would commit a felony if the law is unjust.

Enjoy your justified jail sentence, associated expenses, loss of privileges and lifelong criminal record. It's your right.

My ancestors smuggled Jewish children around Amsterdam in the baskets of bikes. Stop suggesting this childish idea that following laws has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to do with integrity.

Bah.

I see your ancestors smuggling Jewish children and raise you seven of mine that were murdered by the Fascist.

Neither one has to do with what we are discussing.

Not openly committing felonies has ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to do with integrity.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Capitalism 101: “You have what Joe wants and Joe has what you want. But make him give you more than just what you want this time, because Bill wants that bauble that Joe has too! (Or just kill Joe and take all of his stuff.)”

You know...I used to find it funny that conservatives didn't understand socialism and liberals would call them out on it.


It was less funny when I realized that liberals didn't understand socialism either.


At this point, it's pretty clear the same people don't really understand capitalism either.

It’s in our DNA to “out compete” other “DNA machines”.

Actually it's in your DNA to priortize yourself.

Capitalism isn’t the best economic system available, but it is the subtlest form of War.

ssIt's far preferable to any alternatives offered.

Guess what happens when we end up with “too many casualties?”

Interestingly, this is also History 101.

I dunno....some form of authoritarianism then it's back to capitalism minus your civil rights?

 

[Pommer]

Don't most states have a department of education? That's government. The feds also have one, that's government also. You didn't seem to be upset when they were advocating for teaching this stuff. And now when one part of government, the ELECTED part starts to say to the UNELECTED part hey we need to limit what you are indoctrinating kids with you are not happy about it. It seems that you are all for government control as long as it's unelected people pushing this but when elected people from the other side get involved, well we can't have that.

I actually would like to get rid of the federal department of education all together. I would like states to handle this themselves and have them accountable to the people of the state. Oversight is always needed with people in power and the people should always be the ultimate oversight.

Yes, of course “we-the-people” need to exercise control over those charged with the proper & good indoctrination of children to suit our government and society.
Yet, the government can only act to curtail excesses when they actually are excessive, otherwise school administrators will default to “prior-restraint” and run the risk of indoctrinating the little tykes that “government has all of the power and you should shut-up and do as you are told”.

This is where we are (and where we always are), how much of which values do we want the state government to “control” educators?

It seems that since the issues you’re concerned about are uncomfortable for you, and the state of Florida agrees with your position, that the awesome power of the State to impose its will on individual school districts is a “good thing”.

What happens when a lefty democrat governor gets in, though?

 

[Ana the Ist]

No. That's not true. If that law wasn't in place, those books would still be on the shelf. It's the most unfathomably stupid rule I have ever heard.

I can think of worse...

1. Defund the police.
2. Male prisoners can just go to women's prison if they just say they're women.

They knew what they were doing? Of COURSE they did. They don't want to offend the lilly white racists who can't bear to handle the abuse of being reminded of the tragedies black people and gay people have been subjected to by their ancestors. This is how you keep your job as a teacher in Florida.

uuPlenty of black and gay people don't want this in schools either. In fact, a whole town of Muslims in Michigan turned out to ban some books....

I'm sure you would think that was evil teachers being manipulative, but that's because you don't trust them to begin with.

They don't seem to trust parents.

The grandchildren of the people yelling at Ruby Bridges to get out of their school and all sorts of colour epithets are now the ones who don't want books about Ruby Bridges read in their children's school.

Good attempt....it's a yoga quality stretch to try and connect bigots of the past with people against bigotry today.


You know who else didn't want segregation to end? The authors of CRT. They didn't want their children to become "too white". That's why the left advocates for "safe spaces" aka racial segregation now.

It's just a bunch of cowards crying about being unable to control their own children and every single thing that they are presented with.

Yeah it's the parents who stand up for the quality of their children's education that are the cowards....not the people who will immediately adopt whatever belief you want them to if you threaten to call them bigots. Those are the brave people lol.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, of course “we-the-people” need to exercise control over those charged with the proper & good indoctrination of children to suit our government and society.
Yet, the government can only act to curtail excesses when they actually are excessive, otherwise school administrators will default to “prior-restraint” and run the risk of indoctrinating the little tykes that “government has all of the power and you should shut-up and do as you are told”.

This is where we are (and where we always are), how much of which values do we want the state government to “control” educators?

It seems that since the issues you’re concerned about are uncomfortable for you, and the state of Florida agrees with your position, that the awesome power of the State to impose its will on individual school districts is a “good thing”.

What happens when a lefty democrat governor gets in, though?

What do you mean what will happen if a lefty Democrat gets in?

That's exactly what they're fighting against. Lefty democrats have implemented this stuff...not sure we have to guess what will happen. We know.