Hide your classroom books to avoid felony charges, Florida school districts tell teachers

[keith99]

I hazily remember that that short list is made of things that are in the state curriculum, and therefore get kind of an automatic pass. (And it explains some of the odd selections; classical literature in 9th grade, and speeches and such for 10th grade US history and so on.) They've presumably already been vetted by Florida Education as suitable for kids of those ages, when selected for the curriculum.

I was wondering how The Hobbit made the list while LOTR did not. Now it makes some sense. LOTR is simply too long for a class requirement.

It also sort of explains how The Pearl and The Old Man and the Sea are not on the list while To Kill a Mockingbird made it.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm more inclined to think it is the sexual parts. Unless The Mandela Effect is real and I have ended up in a different timeline Brave New World reverses an absurdity of America. Here sex is dirty, but motherhood is cleaner than clean and revered. There sex is fine, but motherhood is disgusting.

That could be. But there was a depiction of sex in 1984 between Winston and Julia. But maybe that's not the same as what Huxley narrated in his own novel?

I don't know. I've read 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 and about the first half of Brave New World. I guess I need to pick it back up and read the remainder to see what the hub-bub is about where Florida's book ban is concerned.

 

[rjs330]

I guess the school libraries will be very small.

Is this list real,? I'm wondering. Color me skeptical at this point.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's strange that any of them would be banned. I wonder if it's the 'drug use' theme in Brave New World that would cause it to be banned?

I'm guessing it's probably the communal orgies.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm more inclined to think it is the sexual parts. Unless The Mandela Effect is real and I have ended up in a different timeline Brave New World reverses an absurdity of America. Here sex is dirty, but motherhood is cleaner than clean and revered. There sex is fine, but motherhood is disgusting.

Do you think we look at motherhood as clean and revered?


I think at least 25% of the country sees it as an oppressive demand that we (either society or men) should be required to finance.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I hazily remember that that short list is made of things that are in the state curriculum, and therefore get kind of an automatic pass. (And it explains some of the odd selections; classical literature in 9th grade, and speeches and such for 10th grade US history and so on.) They've presumably already been vetted by Florida Education as suitable for kids of those ages, when selected for the curriculum.

Basically....the list will grow longer.

 

[SimplyMe]

Exposure to continuous or fluid theories of sexual orientation leads some heterosexuals to embrace less-exclusive heterosexual orientations - Scientific Reports

We examined whether heterosexual individuals’ self-reported sexual orientation could be influenced experimentally by manipulating their knowledge of the nature of sexual orientation. In Study 1 (180 university students, 66% female) participants read summaries describing evidence for sexual...

www.nature.com

Or their teachers.

I don't find that article supports what you are trying to claim. As they point out, the lack of discrimination allows people to be more open, even to themselves, about their sexual orientation. Kinsey studied this idea back in the early 1950's and came up with the Kinsey Scale -- and found that, however they self identified (since homosexuality was discriminated against, including being illegal in most areas), a large number of people are not strictly heterosexual.

The left. Once they began asserting that people who were men were women and women were "birthing persons" it was clear that some change had occurred and it was not clear what you mean by a woman.

It goes along with the derogatory term "cisgendered" which was coined by another pro-pedophile gender theorist who, for some reason, wanted a word for men who believe they are men and women who believe they are women. It's as if it were created to prop up a theory questionable validity. Odd how many pro pedophiles there are at the start of this theory you teach.

Fun fact. Same guy once said....and I'm paraphrasing here..."there's nothing more beautiful or natural than the spontaneous sexual relationship between an adult and child" and he believed we should....teach young children about sex, sexuality, gender, etc....claiming it does not harm them.

"Cisgendered" was coined a few decades ago, to be a clarifying term when discussing Human Sexuality. Yes, there are now some who are trying to use it as a derogatory term, but those are a minority, and is no different (and in large part because) you are using transsexual as a derogatory term.

And can we drop the child abuse crap -- the fact is that vast majority of Americans, both on the left or the right, are against it. It is used in these contexts purely as a "scare tactic" to generate hate against people who are already discriminated against.

A 2014 APA task force on the sexualizing of young girls came to the opposite conclusion.

Well since you're the expert I'll ask you.

Why did we stop calling them transsexuals and start calling them transgender?

Never.

They don't want change their gender. They don't try to change their gender. They want to change their sex....or at least approximate a costume of the opposite sex and be treated as such.

Transgender is an old term, at least 40 years old -- if not older. Transsexual is the term for people who believe they are the opposite gender than the sex of their body. Transgender has been a term for those that don't feel as if they fit in the male/female binary. From my experience, there have always been more transgendered than transsexual, by a wide margin.

Well I don't know which version of the 1619 Project every classroom that uses it has....but early versions are incorrect on historical events like the American Revolution.

I can't speak for all 13,800 (or so) school districts in the US but, from the evidence I've seen, only a few (maybe a dozen) have ever taught the 1691 Project in any of their schools.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is this list real,? I'm wondering. Color me skeptical at this point.

All books have to be explicitly approved by a new state government process. Since that new process just came into existence, all books are unapproved until they are approved. I expect the list will grow, but that was the list as of a couple weeks after the order to remove the books was given by some school districts.

List: Over 350 books approved by Florida Department of Education

The list includes books such as Curious George, The Three Little Pigs, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.

www.firstcoastnews.com

 

[rjs330]

I don't find that article supports what you are trying to claim. As they point out, the lack of discrimination allows people to be more open, even to themselves, about their sexual orientation. Kinsey studied this idea back in the early 1950's and came up with the Kinsey Scale -- and found that, however they self identified (since homosexuality was discriminated against, including being illegal in most areas), a large number of people are not strictly heterosexual.


"Cisgendered" was coined a few decades ago, to be a clarifying term when discussing Human Sexuality. Yes, there are now some who are trying to use it as a derogatory term, but those are a minority, and is no different (and in large part because) you are using transsexual as a derogatory term.

And can we drop the child abuse crap -- the fact is that vast majority of Americans, both on the left or the right, are against it. It is used in these contexts purely as a "scare tactic" to generate hate against people who are already discriminated against.



Never.


Transgender is an old term, at least 40 years old -- if not older. Transsexual is the term for people who believe they are the opposite gender than the sex of their body. Transgender has been a term for those that don't feel as if they fit in the male/female binary. From my experience, there have always been more transgendered than transsexual, by a wide margin.


I can't speak for all 13,800 (or so) school districts in the US but, from the evidence I've seen, only a few (maybe a dozen) have ever taught the 1691 Project in any of their schools.

I hope you realize that Kinsey was an abusive pedophile and used sex offenders as his research subjects. Whatever he had to say is nothing a load of junk.

Of course transsexual is what they are. They are literally trying to become the opposite sex. That's why they take hormones of the opposite sex and undergo surgeries to become the opposite sex. That's why a transgender male gets upset when they are called she or young lady. What on earth makes you think all of that indicates they are not trying to become the opposite sex. Why do you think they have their breasts removed and take penises sewn on? Or have their penises chopped off and have fake vaginas created? They are trying to be the opposite sex. That's why they want to be in the opposite sex locker rooms and why trans women want to participate in women's sports.

Why does all of this not lead to believing they are trying to be the opposite sex?

 

[rjs330]

All books have to be explicitly approved by a new state government process. Since that new process just came into existence, all books are unapproved until they are approved. I expect the list will grow, but that was the list as of a couple weeks after the order to remove the books was given by some school districts.

List: Over 350 books approved by Florida Department of Education

The list includes books such as Curious George, The Three Little Pigs, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.

www.firstcoastnews.com

One obscure sight lists something with no actual link to a government site showing this list? Okay I think I'm going to need more.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't find that article supports what you are trying to claim. As they point out, the lack of discrimination

When you say "the lack of discrimination"....what are you talking about?

The study has students read about sexual orientation described 2 different ways....fluid/dynamic vs static fixed.

That's got nothing to do with discrimination.

allows people to be more open, even to themselves, about their sexual orientation. Kinsey studied this idea back in the early 1950's and came up with the Kinsey Scale -- and found that, however they self identified (since homosexuality was discriminated against, including being illegal in most areas), a large number of people are not strictly heterosexual.

Kinsey....another pro pedophilia advocate.

"Cisgendered" was coined a few decades ago, to be a clarifying term when discussing Human Sexuality.

Human sexuality? It's got nothing to do with human sexuality.....unless these things are innately tied to gender.

Yes, there are now some who are trying to use it as a derogatory term, but those are a minority, and is no different (and in large part because) you are using transsexual as a derogatory term.

I don't use transsexual as a derogatory term....and I don't use cisgendered at all.

And can we drop the child abuse crap

No.

-- the fact is that vast majority of Americans, both on the left or the right, are against it.

You are actively supporting it.

If I link you to the APA report showing that early childhood exposure to inappropriate sexual content leads to all whole host of negative outcomes (for girls at least....they didn't study boys because, you know, we hate men here) would you stop defending teaching this garbage to children?

It is used in these contexts purely as a "scare tactic" to generate hate against people who are already discriminated against.

I've never advocated hatred against anyone.

Never.


Transgender is an old term, at least 40 years old -- if not older. Transsexual is the term for people who believe they are the opposite gender than the sex of their body. Transgender has been a term for those that don't feel as if they fit in the male/female binary. From my experience, there have always been more transgendered than transsexual, by a wide margin.

What? So transsexuals are people experiencing gender dysphoria? Why would you imagine anyone is discriminating people who are transgender? They feel fine in their biological bodies. How would you even spot one to identify then?

You sound like you are badly confused on the whole topic.

I can't speak for all 13,800 (or so) school districts in the US but, from the evidence I've seen, only a few (maybe a dozen) have ever taught the 1691 Project in any of their schools.

Pretty sure it's part of the California state curriculum....so you're underestimating a little.

 

[Pommer]

One obscure sight lists something with no actual link to a government site showing this list? Okay I think I'm going to need more.

Wow, we agree!
The State of Florida passes a bill into law that makes the teaching out of “unapproved books” a felony and then goes out of its way to hide which books pass muster, so that the ordinary Joe has to hunt down obscure websites to take a gander at what the State deems “okay”!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Wow, we agree!
The State of Florida passes a bill into law that makes the teaching out of “unapproved books” a felony and then goes out of its way to hide which books pass muster, so that the ordinary Joe has to hunt down obscure websites to take a gander at what the State deems “okay”!

I can't imagine why the ordinary Joe would need to do any of that.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

One obscure sight lists something with no actual link to a government site showing this list? Okay I think I'm going to need more.

First Coast News is WTLV and WJXX which are the NBC and ABC stations respectively in Jacksonville, FL. Also the list is credited to the Florida Department of Education which is the group that this list is going to come from. The station received it from the Duvall County Public Schools which is what the public schools in Jacksonville are a part of and should have this list. This is about as solid information as is possible for this story. To suggest this is from some obscure corner of the Internet is false.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Duval County is now up to 7000 approved books.

Feb. 17, 2023 – Books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron from the Essential Voices collection are among approximately 7,000 books that have been reviewed and approved through the new state-required book review process.

Topic Two: State-required review of classroom libraries

1. State law now requires that every book in our classroom libraries and school media centers be reviewed by certified media specialists.
2. Since the law passed, our small team of certified media specialists (about 54 across all schools and the district) have taken on the task of reviewing more than 1.6 million titles.

We did direct teachers to temporarily reduce their classroom library collections to titles that were previously approved while waiting for media specialists to curate a more expansive list of approved titles.

1. We informed principals clearly that media centers should not be closed. However, because we need all certified media specialists to review books, hours of media centers open to students, along with the availability of media specialists to support teachers, has been considerably reduced in some schools.

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So, at a rate of about 10,000 books per month, it's a simple matter of 160 months before they get through their backlog and can fully reopen the school media centers.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Duval County is now up to 7000 approved books.

Feb. 17, 2023 – Books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron from the Essential Voices collection are among approximately 7,000 books that have been reviewed and approved through the new state-required book review process.

Topic Two: State-required review of classroom libraries

1. State law now requires that every book in our classroom libraries and school media centers be reviewed by certified media specialists.
2. Since the law passed, our small team of certified media specialists (about 54 across all schools and the district) have taken on the task of reviewing more than 1.6 million titles.

We did direct teachers to temporarily reduce their classroom library collections to titles that were previously approved while waiting for media specialists to curate a more expansive list of approved titles.

1. We informed principals clearly that media centers should not be closed. However, because we need all certified media specialists to review books, hours of media centers open to students, along with the availability of media specialists to support teachers, has been considerably reduced in some schools.

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So, at a rate of about 10,000 books per month, it's a simple matter of 160 months before they get through their backlog and can fully reopen the school media centers.

By then we might have gotten through all the asylum claims up to 2022.

 

[keith99]

Duval County is now up to 7000 approved books.

Feb. 17, 2023 – Books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron from the Essential Voices collection are among approximately 7,000 books that have been reviewed and approved through the new state-required book review process.

Topic Two: State-required review of classroom libraries

1. State law now requires that every book in our classroom libraries and school media centers be reviewed by certified media specialists.
2. Since the law passed, our small team of certified media specialists (about 54 across all schools and the district) have taken on the task of reviewing more than 1.6 million titles.

We did direct teachers to temporarily reduce their classroom library collections to titles that were previously approved while waiting for media specialists to curate a more expansive list of approved titles.

1. We informed principals clearly that media centers should not be closed. However, because we need all certified media specialists to review books, hours of media centers open to students, along with the availability of media specialists to support teachers, has been considerably reduced in some schools.

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So, at a rate of about 10,000 books per month, it's a simple matter of 160 months before they get through their backlog and can fully reopen the school media centers.

I found it interesting how the link you provided ended.

As an educational institution, the district’s main goal is this: To help children learn to read.

There are thousands of books we can use to do that, and the district will take the time and make the effort to ensure our students and teachers have access to a diverse, legally compliant set of books.

I would have thought that goal would have been accomplished by the start of middle school.

 

[Pommer]

Duval County is now up to 7000 approved books.

Feb. 17, 2023 – Books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron from the Essential Voices collection are among approximately 7,000 books that have been reviewed and approved through the new state-required book review process.

Topic Two: State-required review of classroom libraries

1. State law now requires that every book in our classroom libraries and school media centers be reviewed by certified media specialists.
2. Since the law passed, our small team of certified media specialists (about 54 across all schools and the district) have taken on the task of reviewing more than 1.6 million titles.

We did direct teachers to temporarily reduce their classroom library collections to titles that were previously approved while waiting for media specialists to curate a more expansive list of approved titles.

1. We informed principals clearly that media centers should not be closed. However, because we need all certified media specialists to review books, hours of media centers open to students, along with the availability of media specialists to support teachers, has been considerably reduced in some schools.

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So, at a rate of about 10,000 books per month, it's a simple matter of 160 months before they get through their backlog and can fully reopen the school media centers.

How does one become a certified media specialist?
(This whole process seems to have beeen done on an ad hoc basis?)

Why did the criminal law come first?
Why didn’t Florida sift through the 1.6 million titles over the course of a year (or two) with their “certified media specialists” and then threaten teachers with gaol for “teaching from unapproved books”?

 

[essentialsaltes]

How does one become a certified media specialist?

I gather it's similar to a school librarian, but maybe with some extra emphasis on A/V media.

Following the passage of the law, the state created a new training program for these media specialists to do this book-sifting in accordance with the new law.

 

[Pommer]

I gather it's similar to a school librarian, but maybe with some extra emphasis on A/V media.

Following the passage of the law, the state created a new training program for these media specialists to do this book-sifting in accordance with the new law.

The urge to become a martinet may prove too much for many of the lowly certified media specialists.
But hey another layer of bureaucracy is always good, huh?