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[Hans Blaster]

This is NOT ONLY Science, this is the beginning of Science. For example Abraham was told to "come out from amount them". He was to separate himself from all the myth and this was the beginning of true science.

I was taking about your references to *morality*. Morality isn't a scientific topic.

When I search "come out from amount them" I get referencess to 2 Corinth. in the NT, not Abraham. What on earth is this "reference" about. Please explain yourself because I'm not seeing anything related to science.

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[Hans Blaster]

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Your bot seems ilinformed about the origin and spread of civilization. Mesopotamia is not the only place "civilization" started independently.

 

[Diamond72]

Mesopotamia is not the only place "civilization" started independently.

This is why Cahn wrote a book called Paradigm. Ultimately, the understanding of the origin and spread of civilization is an ongoing area of research and inquiry, drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, anthropology, and other fields.

 

[Diamond72]

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I tried to follow you're advice but it did not work and my conclusion is you give bad advice.

 

[Diamond72]

I get referencess to 2 Corinth. in the NT, not Abraham.

Abraham was the first Hebrew to cross over the river. ​

Genesis 12:1 is a verse from the Old Testament of the Bible, which reads: "Now the Lord said to Abram, 'Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.'" This verse is part of a larger narrative in which God calls Abram (later known as Abraham) to leave his home in Mesopotamia and travel to the land of Canaan, which God promises to give to his descendants as a permanent inheritance. This event is considered by many to be the beginning of God's covenant with the Israelites and the establishment of the nation of Israel. The verse highlights the importance of faith and obedience to God's commands, and has been interpreted as an example of the kind of faith that God expects from his followers.​

2 Corinthians 6:17​

Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD. Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

"This verse is part of a larger passage in which the apostle Paul exhorts the Corinthians to separate themselves from the immoral and idolatrous practices of the surrounding culture, and to live in accordance with the teachings of Christ. The verse emphasizes the need for believers to maintain moral purity and to distance themselves from influences that could lead them astray from their faith. The verse has been interpreted in various ways by different Christian traditions, but it is generally seen as a call to live a life of righteousness and holiness."

 

[Larniavc]

Flood plains are areas of land that are at a high risk of being flooded, and they are typically located near bodies of water such as rivers, lakes, and oceans.

I know this. But it is irrelevant to the Bible’s claims of a world wide flood that covers the highest of mountains.

 

[Diamond72]

I know this. But it is irrelevant to the Bible’s claims of a world wide flood that covers the highest of mountains.

The Bible does not say that. Noah's flood in a literal sense was a local flood. The worldwide flood is an allegory. Just like a day in Genesis is a literal day, a day also represents all time and all mysteries.

The Bible contains mysteries that are not immediately clear or easy to understand. Jesus makes it clear that we have to become as a child. That is why so much of the conversation on this form is at a third grade level. Even when they know a lot about science they know very little about the Bible and religion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I tried to follow you're advice but it did not work and my conclusion is you give bad advice.

Do you mean putting the bot-quotes in ""-marks? It was appreciated, I knew which material to ignore.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Abraham was the first Hebrew to cross over the river. ​

Genesis 12:1 is a verse from the Old Testament of the Bible, which reads: "Now the Lord said to Abram, 'Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.'" This verse is part of a larger narrative in which God calls Abram (later known as Abraham) to leave his home in Mesopotamia and travel to the land of Canaan, which God promises to give to his descendants as a permanent inheritance. This event is considered by many to be the beginning of God's covenant with the Israelites and the establishment of the nation of Israel. The verse highlights the importance of faith and obedience to God's commands, and has been interpreted as an example of the kind of faith that God expects from his followers.​

2 Corinthians 6:17​

Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD. Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

"This verse is part of a larger passage in which the apostle Paul exhorts the Corinthians to separate themselves from the immoral and idolatrous practices of the surrounding culture, and to live in accordance with the teachings of Christ. The verse emphasizes the need for believers to maintain moral purity and to distance themselves from influences that could lead them astray from their faith. The verse has been interpreted in various ways by different Christian traditions, but it is generally seen as a call to live a life of righteousness and holiness."

That's a religious tale. It has nothing to do with Abraham somehow creating science (or whatever odd claim you are making relating the two).

 

[Hans Blaster]

This is why Cahn wrote a book called Paradigm. Ultimately, the understanding of the origin and spread of civilization is an ongoing area of research and inquiry, drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, anthropology, and other fields.

What does a book of "prophesy"* have to do with Mesopotemia not being the only place were civilization began independently?


(I would have said "false prophesy" but that would be redundant.)

 

[Diamond72]

What does a book of "prophesy"* have to do with Mesopotemia not being the only place were civilization began independently?

The Book explains the meaning of the word "paradigm". Most words take at least one book to explain. If you have a word like "Beginning" all the books in the world can not explain it. God is infinite, man is finite.

As a carpenter, I know what a pattern or a template is. Then everything is a copy of that. There is only ONE original. I think you do not understand that. Even though all evolutionary theory has to do with a matriarch and a patriarch. What they call a common ancestor. Actually, our common ancestor is pond scum. This is what we all descended from. Some women think men still are scum but somehow they have managed to evolved. At least if you go o Tiktok because that seems to be a common theme on there.

If you do not like religion there is a science book on this. The book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" by Thomas Kuhn. The AI bots will give you a quick summary and save you time. But you do not like things to be summarized or defined for you. So I guess you can just read the book for yourself. Or look it up in the dictionary if you like obsolete technology. There is always Wiki also.

 

[Diamond72]

That's a religious tale. It has nothing to do with Abraham somehow creating science (or whatever odd claim you are making relating the two).

Abraham and Moses were both very well educated. Moses was the son of the daughter of a Pharaoh. So he had the best teachers and the best education that Egypt had to offer at the time. Abraham had the best education that the city of Ur had to offer at the time.

The issue is truth and error get mixed together. My sister-in-law says: never let the facts get in the way of a good story. There is nothing wrong with fiction, but you have to handle fiction differently than truth. Moses and Abraham could divide truth from error.

"In terms of the broader culture of Ur, it is known that the Mesopotamians who lived there were highly skilled in mathematics, astronomy, and other sciences. They developed a sophisticated system of writing (cuneiform) and made significant contributions to fields such as architecture, engineering, medicine, and agriculture. The ancient Mesopotamians also developed advanced techniques for irrigation and water management, which allowed them to cultivate crops in a region with limited rainfall."

"In science, a paradigm is a framework of concepts, methods, assumptions, and values that guide scientific research within a field. It provides a model or pattern for understanding and explaining natural phenomena, and shapes the questions asked, evidence considered relevant, and methods used to collect and analyze data. Paradigms can shift over time due to new discoveries or data, leading to a fundamental shift in understanding. Examples include the classical Newtonian paradigm and the modern paradigm of quantum mechanics."

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Book explains the meaning of the word "paradigm". Most words take at least one book to explain. If you have a word like "Beginning" all the books in the world can not explain it. God is infinite, man is finite.

Oh, my. No they don't. That's why a single dictionary volume can describe a very large number of them. Paradigm isn't that hard a word to understand.

As a carpenter, I know what a pattern or a template is. Then everything is a copy of that. There is only ONE original. I think you do not understand that.

Do you? Can you not carpenter up something without a template?

Even though all evolutionary theory has to do with a matriarch and a patriarch.

No. That's not what it is about. I suggest a basic intro course at the local CC.

What they call a common ancestor. Actually, our common ancestor is pond scum.

Oh boy. Pond scum is mostly algae. We are not descended from algae.

This is what we all descended from. Some women think men still are scum but somehow they have managed to evolved. At least if you go o Tiktok because that seems to be a common theme on there.

Tiktok is a Chinese honey trap. No thanks.

If you do not like religion there is a science book on this. The book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" by Thomas Kuhn.

I think I have copy and got bored half way through.

The AI bots will give you a quick summary and save you time. But you do not like things to be summarized or defined for you. So I guess you can just read the book for yourself. Or look it up in the dictionary if you like obsolete technology. There is always Wiki also.

None of this has to do with that irrelevant book of prophesy.

(There I go again. All prophesy is irrelevant.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Abraham and Moses were both very well educated. Moses was the son of the daughter of a Pharaoh. So he had the best teachers and the best education that Egypt had to offer at the time. Abraham had the best education that the city of Ur had to offer at the time.

The issue is truth and error get mixed together. My sister-in-law says: never let the facts get in the way of a good story. There is nothing wrong with fiction, but you have to handle fiction differently than truth. Moses and Abraham could divide truth from error.

What does this have to do with science? didn't you make some claim about abraham and science?

 

[Diamond72]

Do you mean putting the bot-quotes in ""-marks? It was appreciated, I knew which material to ignore.

I am not going to explain it to you. If you want you can use Wiki but I can not dummy that down for you the way I can ask the bots to condense and explain things to you at your level of understanding.

 

[Diamond72]

Do you? Can you not carpenter up something without a template?

No, you can not. If you do not measure from a temple or use a pattern everything will be a different length. They will not be standard and the same. Esp in finish carpentry.

This is why there is only one day and all the other days are a copy of that. There will be a perfect day and then all the days will become a copy of that perfect day.

A friend of mine use to love to work on Jaguars. They have a tolerance of 1/1000 compared to American cars with a tolerance of 1/100.

My first son was the one that taught me about paradigm shifts. I had never heard the word before that. He was also the one that taught me how to use a computer when he was in Kindergarten. Back when Bill Gates was giving way free computers to kindergarten students.

 

[BeyondET]

I am sure the wind carries them along. We have thousands of Monarch Butterllys that come from thousands of miles south of here. The wind blows them up here every summer. We had sunflowers so we had a bunch of them here one year.
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They do that through multiple generations each year the migration cycle of the Monarch butterfly. The wind doesn't blow them thousands of miles.

 

[Diamond72]

They do that through multiple generations each year the migration cycle of the Monarch butterfly. The wind doesn't blow them thousands of miles.

Monarch butterflies are known for their remarkable long-distance migration. The distance they migrate can vary depending on the population, but generally, Monarch butterflies in North America migrate between 1,200 to 2,800 miles (1,931 to 4,506 kilometers) each year.

These butterflies are known to travel from their breeding grounds in the United States and Canada to their wintering grounds in Mexico. During the fall, millions of Monarchs will migrate south to a few specific areas in central Mexico, where they will overwinter before heading north again in the spring.

 

[BeyondET]

Monarch butterflies are known for their remarkable long-distance migration. The distance they migrate can vary depending on the population, but generally, Monarch butterflies in North America migrate between 1,200 to 2,800 miles (1,931 to 4,506 kilometers) each year.

These butterflies are known to travel from their breeding grounds in the United States and Canada to their wintering grounds in Mexico. During the fall, millions of Monarchs will migrate south to a few specific areas in central Mexico, where they will overwinter before heading north again in the spring.

Indeed and how they are able to travel such distance is through multiple generations. they travel from Canada to Mexico each year at the end of each journey it is the great great grand butterfly who finish the journey each way.
One butterfly doesn't make it to Mexico the next generations do.

 

[BeyondET]

Pre stored information passed on to the next generation tucked away in stem cells.