Noah's Flood & the Strait of Hormuz

[Unqualified]

Your theories and conjecture are meant to disprove the Bible. They dont know and no one can know because they aren’t looking for truth only to disprove. But they can’t know the truth. The truth is in Jesus. You think localized areas don’t show evidence of flooding so the whole flood thing is wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Your theories and conjecture are meant to disprove the Bible. They dont know and no one can know because they aren’t looking for truth only to disprove. But they can’t know the truth. The truth is in Jesus. You think localized areas don’t show evidence of flooding so the whole flood thing is wrong.

But to disprove something, you need to find out if something is true, to find proof for something happening. But there has been no evidence found of a global flood, which would leave A LOT of evidence for happening.

And please use the reply button, you obviously know where it is. You're just being rude by not using it in this conversation.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was no global flood. God's creation doesn't show it at all.

That's because God cleaned it up.

Did God leave a mess behind, when He took a rib from Adam's side to make Eve?

No -- not so much as a scar left behind.

And any doctor around at the time would not be able to find one.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's because God cleaned it up.

Did God leave a mess behind, when He took a rib from Adam's side to make Eve?

No -- not so much as a scar left behind.

And any doctor around at the time would not be able to find one.

And here you go, making stuff up as usual.

Scarring showed that something happened. No scar, no proof or evidence that something happened. All you have is only on paper. I choose to believe God's actual creation to show His truth.

 

[Unqualified]

God created the universe and the earth with his finger. And the flood had so much upheaval that it turned the strata upside down. I’ve given you @Warden_of_the_Storm evidence but you can’t see it. Watch a YouTube video on the flood and see if you understand The evidence.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God created the universe and the earth with his finger. And the flood had so much upheaval that it turned the strata upside down. I’ve given you @Warden_of_the_Storm evidence but you can’t see it. Watch a YouTube video on the flood and see if you understand The evidence.

I've seen what people claim to be evidence for the flood and it's nothing but hokum and misunderstanding of geology. There would be no way a flood would be able to turn strata upside down as you claim, or the kinetic energy needed for that would be absolutely catastrophic and would clearly leave evidence. Of which there is none.

 

[dlamberth]

All theory and conjecture.

Makes me wonder if geology is understood by you.
Or an understanding of how much of the geology of the earth has been researched.
Or a basic understanding of flood geology.
Go into any college library geology section and you will find tons of research papers.
There is zero physical evidence of a Biblical Flood.
A Biblical Flood would be impossible to hide if it actually happened.

 

[AV1611VET]

And here you go, making stuff up as usual.

Then please explain how a dove came back with an olive leaf in her mouth, even before they disembarked off the Ark.

Scarring showed that something happened.

I'm aware of that.

No scar, no proof or evidence that something happened.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why do you think it's called a "miracle"?

All you have is only on paper.

Yes.

Else I would be at the mercy of science, which has a VERY POOR TRACK RECORD of telling us what went on back then.

I choose to believe God's actual creation to show His truth.

Then you should believe He showed us He cleaned the mess up.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then please explain how a dove came back with an olive leaf in her mouth, even before they disembarked off the Ark.

That the story is allegorical and not literal.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is zero physical evidence of a Biblical Flood.
A Biblical Flood would be impossible to hide if it actually happened.

God created this entire universe without leaving evidence behind.

And you think He can't damage it, then repair the damage so effectively it looks like nothing happened?

 

[AV1611VET]

That the story is allegorical and not literal.

Suture self.

 

[dlamberth]

And you think He can't damage it, then repair the damage so effectively it looks like nothing happened?

Just conjecture on your part.
What we have in the Earth sitting right in front of us is zero evidence of a Biblical Flood.
There would be no reason for your God to hide such an event, if it actually happened.
It is after all in your Bible.

 

[Unqualified]

That the story is allegorical and not literal.

Makes me wonder if geology is understood by you.
Or an understanding of how much of the geology of the earth has been researched.
Or a basic understanding of flood geology.
Go into any college library geology section and you will find tons of research papers.
There is zero physical evidence of a Biblical Flood.
A Biblical Flood would be impossible to hide if it actually happened.

I can’t counteract your unbelief. You just not going to get it. All you want to do is argue. You accuse me you deny the truth, you contradict me and all you see is nothing??

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can’t counteract your unbelief. You just not going to get it. All you want to do is argue. You accuse me you deny the truth, you contradict me and all you see is nothing??

So you're clearly not here to have an actual discussion, you are just here to preach then. Good to know. That is against the rules for this forum.

 

[sjastro]

@AV1611VET and @Unqualified take note.

 

[Unqualified]

Mans wisdom is foolishness to God. God did these things as Hedid to confound the wise. Don’t you see a scientific discussion is impossible. Your evidence is jealousy against God and you are blind to our evidence. We are polarized and there is no middle ground. You can’t see it because you don’t believe God. Faith Is key to the truth. Even if I read thousands of geological studies that start in the middle and don’t have a rational beginning. They deny what God has purely stated in His Word. There was a flood and you can’t prove otherwise with all the geological surveys in the world.

you reject the evidence. That’s not pure science you should test it. You are just spouting off what others have you read. How else did all the dinosaurs and people in the time of the flood get turned into coal. By the sheer magnitude of the pressures of upheaval of the flood. Completely changed the earth, dug out the oceans, separated the plates caused the Himalayas and every canyon, valley, every alluvial deposit. And God said there would never be a worldwide flood again.

To some people there were 6 floods argue with them they see evidence for 6 floods. It caused volcanoes at the bottom of the oceans and thinned out the crust of the earth in places. It formed the islands. You think God is going to leave out some animals? He has his ways. Maybe there was only one continent until the flood. And all the cloud cover over there earth at the time, provided a lot of water and from under the earth. All the old strata is on top.

every cliff is is sign of water encroachment on the coasts, salt water interior lakes and salt deposits.

 

[Unqualified]

@AV1611VET and @Unqualified take note.

you too

 

[Hans Blaster]

To some people there were 6 floods argue with them they see evidence for 6 floods. It caused volcanoes at the bottom of the oceans and thinned out the crust of the earth in places. It formed the islands. You think God is going to leave out some animals? He has his ways. Maybe there was only one continent until the flood. And all the cloud cover over there earth at the time, provided a lot of water and from under the earth. All the old strata is on top.

This is a odd and new claim. I've been monitoring this board for years and other creationist content before that, but I've never heard of "6 floods" before the last week or so. Is this some sort of new thing? Where does this idea come from? (It's not genesis, there is only one flood in there.)

 

[sjastro]

you too

Let’s compare our confirmation biases then.
My contribution in this thread was to explain the evidence of marine fossils on Mt Everest via plate tectonics.

This is evidence based supported by the following examples which is by no means exhaustive.
(1) Mt Everest is still increasing in height at rate of around 4 mm/year as measured by satellite GPS and photogrammetric methods.
(2) The Indian plate is still moving despite colliding with the Eurasian plate at a rate of 5cm/year as measured by satellite GPS.
(3) The collision zone triggers earthquake activity and the Himalayas is an active seismic zone.

My opinion is evidence based.

Yours on the other hand is the use of confirmation bias 101.
You ignore the evidence and attempt to explain it within a biblical narrative.
It is also illogical if marine fossils are found on Mt Everest as a result of a global flood, then they should be found anywhere on the planet.
Open cut mines and quarries anywhere on the planet should reveal the presence of marine fossils which is simply not the case.

You are obviously unaware the fossilization process is a slow process where even under the most favourable conditions fossils do not form earlier than around 10,000 years.
By bringing fossils into the mix you are contradicting the Bible as the great flood supposedly occurred far later than 10,000 years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

There would be no reason for your God to hide such an event, if it actually happened.

Hide it!?

He put what He did in writing.

And just like the Creation Week, He stated what He did, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, and who the eyewitness were.

In writing.