Hide your classroom books to avoid felony charges, Florida school districts tell teachers

[Ana the Ist]

How do you know they don't? All teachers in Florida are ignoring parents' wishes? Do we know of even one such Florida teacher?

There was an article bleeding sympathy for one who quit. Apparently, these teachers have put books in their classrooms that they have to be worried about. Seems like a bad idea.

Which administration are we talking about and what agenda? Since DeSantis is threatening them with felonies, there's not much wonder they are complying.

Well the Department of Education typically sets the agenda for.....Education. I never would have guessed that I would have to admit this is definitely an area where Trump was better....and Trump really wasn't very good at all.

It's just way worse now.

Yes, they are constrained to provide only those books that have been approved by the political officer. Big Guvnor is watching.

Yeah....at the behest of the parents. They kept complaining about this garbage in schools and their government responded when the schools wouldn't. Democracy in action.

Wonder why these changes weren't put to a vote? Did Biden run on sexualizing children in school and teaching them a backwards racist ideology?

I don't remember what he ran on....but it feels like that would have stuck out as unusual.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Next up for DeSantis, eliminating indoctrination in higher education by requiring that all general ed classes be taught from a prescribed viewpoint.

Did you read the link? There's no prescribed viewpoint. Prescribed viewpoints are exactly what those reforms seek to remove.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There was an article bleeding sympathy for one who quit.

As usual, your faulty memory serves up a convenient phantasy of evidence for your claims. She did not quit over anything related to the books in her classroom.

Well the Department of Education typically sets the agenda for.....Education.

Hardly. Education in the US is largely dominated by state and local control.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Did you read the link? There's no prescribed viewpoint. Prescribed viewpoints are exactly what those reforms seek to remove.

'We're going to be viewpoint-neutral by banning certain viewpoints.'

 

[Tuur]

'We're going to be viewpoint-neutral by banning certain viewpoints.'

I can think of two books, one by a failed painter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache, that I wouldn't want in a grade school classroom.

 

[keith99]

I can think of two books, one by a failed painter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache, that I wouldn't want in a grade school classroom.

But didn't that same failed painter create a culture that burned books that said the 'wrong' things? Or come to think of it were of the 'wrong' ethnic background.

Since this is a Christian site I'll mention that those burned books included works by G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis.

And since they are likely to be banned in Florida I'll mention Orwel and Huxley.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I can think of two books, one by a failed painter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache, that I wouldn't want in a grade school classroom.

Eh, for that, most parents turn to homeschooling.

 

[Tuur]

Eh, for that, most parents turn to homeschooling.

It's easy to read into that the implication that most who homeschool favor a particular failed fainter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache. Is that your contention?

Your statement also side-steps the issue of whether some books are inappropriate for certain grades. If not, then all books are permitted, including the one by a failed painter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache. However, if we acknowledge that some books aren't appropriate for some ages, the question becomes what those books may be.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's easy to read into that the implication that most who homeschool favor a particular failed fainter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache. Is that your contention?

It's only easy to read that if you're being uncharitable.

For that (nazi content)
most parents (who want that content for their children)
turn (away from the public schools where they won't really find it)
to homeschooling (where they can)

So it's not that all homeschoolers are Nazis, but that Nazis turn to homeschooling to teach Nazism to their children.

Your statement also side-steps the issue of whether some books are inappropriate for certain grades. If not, then all books are permitted, including the one by a failed painter with a Charlie Chaplin mustache. However, if we acknowledge that some books aren't appropriate for some ages, the question becomes what those books may be.

Doesn't it seem natural to trust teachers with the selection of books in their classrooms? That doesn't mean that parents can't complain, or the administration take action if problems arise. But what the state of Florida has now done is banned everything unless and until it is approved by state-trained media specialists. These books are used for enrichment activities and are often paid for by the teachers themselves, and now they're being treated proactively as criminals until proven innocent. It's disgusting.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As usual, your faulty memory serves up a convenient phantasy of evidence for your claims. She did not quit over anything related to the books in her classroom.

My memory is faulty? Look up the page. You didn't say anything about books. You said "parents wishes".

Reform thyself.

Hardly. Education in the US is largely dominated by state and local control.

Oh good....I guess we can just forget that whole FBI investigation into school board meetings. We can save a lot of money by just scrapping the whole education department and all the useless drones working there for nothing apparently. We can even dissolve the whole national teacher's union since it's entirely localized.

Or we can have a real conversation where you don't treat me like an idiot who lived through STEM and DARE and every other national campaign that set agendas both specific and broad in schools across the country.

The Biden Administration is doing this. Period. Every school didn't spontaneously decide to push CRT and Queer Theory on children. The degree to which this has been resisted depends upon state pushback.

 

[Ana the Ist]

'We're going to be viewpoint-neutral by banning certain viewpoints.'

That's exactly what viewpoint neutral is. If you're not going to teach opposing viewpoints....and your curriculum is heavily influenced by a particular political view.....you're indoctrinating children.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's only easy to read that if you're being uncharitable.

For that (nazi content)
most parents (who want that content for their children)
turn (away from the public schools where they won't really find it)
to homeschooling (where they can)

So it's not that all homeschoolers are Nazis, but that Nazis turn to homeschooling to teach Nazism to their children.



Doesn't it seem natural to trust teachers with the selection of books in their classrooms? That doesn't mean that parents can't complain, or the administration take action if problems arise. But what the state of Florida has now done is banned everything unless and until it is approved by state-trained media specialists. These books are used for enrichment activities and are often paid for by the teachers themselves, and now they're being treated proactively as criminals until proven innocent. It's disgusting.

Do you know what he banned?

For some reason, despite already telling these teachers not to teach it... they played a little Three Card Monte and reshuffled it into another class. It's as if there's something pushing them to keep trying to find ways around these laws and sneak content into the curriculum. It's the same as the AP African Studies course.

If they just accepted that they shouldn't be teaching this stuff and stopped trying....the issue would be over.

 

[Tuur]

Doesn't it seem natural to trust teachers with the selection of books in their classrooms? That doesn't mean that parents can't complain, or the administration take action if problems arise. But what the state of Florida has now done is banned everything unless and until it is approved by state-trained media specialists. These books are used for enrichment activities and are often paid for by the teachers themselves, and now they're being treated proactively as criminals until proven innocent. It's disgusting.

The first sentence brings to mind the song Trust in Me from the original Disney version of The Jungle Book. Why would you give anyone blind trust?

The last part doesn't hold water. To see how it doesn't, use the term "they're being treated proactively as criminals until proven innocent" in regards to illegal possession of drugs. If the Florida law states makes certain materials illegal in classrooms, the source of the materials doesn't matter (as compared to a law forbidding the purchase of these materials with state funds).

Be disgusted if you wish.

 

[essentialsaltes]

My memory is faulty? Look up the page. You didn't say anything about books. You said "parents wishes".

It had nothing to do with ignoring parents wishes.

The Biden Administration is doing this. Period. Every school didn't spontaneously decide to push CRT and Queer Theory on children.

Show us what the Biden Administration has done.

That's exactly what viewpoint neutral is. If you're not going to teach opposing viewpoints....and your curriculum is heavily influenced by a particular political view.....you're indoctrinating children.

DeSantis has banned the teaching of certain viewpoints. That is not what viewpoint neutral is. You're disagreeing with yourself.

 

[Pommer]

The Biden Administration is doing this. Period. Every school didn't spontaneously decide to push CRT and Queer Theory on children. The degree to which this has been resisted depends upon state pushback.

Of course you’re going to prove this assertion with linkages to real actual policies promulgated by the [checks notes] “Biden Administration”, yes?

 

[Ana the Ist]

It had nothing to do with ignoring parents wishes.

You do know what you said, right?

You're able to scroll back and take a peek at the words you used. I don't have to quote you on this tiny thread do I?

I know what words I used.

Show us what the Biden Administration has done.

Of course you’re going to prove this assertion with linkages to real actual policies promulgated by the [checks notes] “Biden Administration”, yes?

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There's an example but if you really want me to connect the dots for you between your wasted taxpayer dollars, big tech grants, teacher union heads, and Department of Education goals....you'll need to be very specific about what it is you'd like me to show you.

We have an official here who writes policy for the Dept of Education and its rather clear what her views are. Is that enough?

DeSantis has banned the teaching of certain viewpoints. That is not what viewpoint neutral is. You're disagreeing with yourself.

No....if singular viewpoints are all that's allowed or pushed then you aren't viewpoint neutral.

You can eliminate viewpoints and teach facts. That's viewpoint neutral.

I would even find it acceptable to teach from opposing viewpoints....given that it's done vigorously for each side.

But preventing a specific political viewpoint that lacks any criticism or critique or opposing viewpoints is just removing indoctrination.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Of course you’re going to prove this assertion with linkages to real actual policies promulgated by the [checks notes] “Biden Administration”, yes?

How about this one?

CRT group promoted by Biden admin has ties to top Education Department officials

Bettina Love, a critical race theory activist whose group was promoted by the Biden administration, has ties to two top Department of Education officials.

www.google.com

You can directly see the Dept of Education using the teacher's union (or perhaps vice versa) to literally promote racist CRT radicals.

I mean....I'm sure you don't read any Fox News....so you probably swallowed that whole " we just want to teach honest history" nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

It's literally all over the place. It's more evident than I care to show at this point. I've shown teachers say it, principals say it, superintendents say it, the teacher's unions say it, dept of education says it...


If you think CRT and this queer theory nonsense aren't actively promoted and pushed by this administration....you quite simply don't care about the evidence. We're way past evidence at this point.

 

[essentialsaltes]

you'll need to be very specific about what it is you'd like me to show you.

1) The Biden Administration
2) Influencing teachers through some policy initiative or training documents
3) "to push CRT and Queer Theory on children"

Your discussion of DARE is appropriate. In that case, we can point to materials, campaigns, PSAs, etc.

We have an official here who writes policy for the Dept of Education and its rather clear what her views are. Is that enough?

Somebody said something at her previous job? This is nothing.

 

[Ana the Ist]

1) The Biden Administration
2) Influencing teachers through some policy initiative or training documents
3) "to push CRT and Queer Theory on children"

We're under the Biden administration. Does that check the first box?

I can't imagine any other group having more responsibility for what happens in public schools.

If you missed the second article I posted....read it. You'll see the Dept of Education promoting CRT radicals and their literature through the teacher's union.

Will that satisfy 2-3? Or do you want a specific example for every school?.

I mean they're literally saying it....and you're asking me to get proof lol.

 

[Ana the Ist]

1) The Biden Administration
2) Influencing teachers through some policy initiative or training documents
3) "to push CRT and Queer Theory on children"

Your discussion of DARE is appropriate. In that case, we can point to materials, campaigns, PSAs, etc.



Somebody said something at her previous job? This is nothing.

Here you go....so easy to find. A litany of Biden Administration support for this garbage in schools spelled out. Obviously he isn't writing curriculums....but don't pretend he doesn't push all this garbage.

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Are we good now? I've done far more to back up my claims than you have in the OP. Do you have any evidence that the state forced teachers to remove books or did they do it themselves?