The History of Man (part 1)

[Semper-Fi]

What about the Scriptures that say the Beast exists for
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 mos) and 3.5 "watches of the night"?

Do you know what " a time" means?

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
So you think the Revelation Beast only exists for one hour...
that is hilarious.

This is not funny, Again you need to read that verse Again,
and I did not say the Beast only exists for one hour. Revelation 17:12-13

The bible says the ten horns/kings give their power over to beast for one hour.

Fair enough. I apologize. I was not being careful.
What I MEANT to say is that you think the Saints [within the Ten "Kings/Horns"]
only have a kingdom for one hour?


Rev 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; [when John wrote]
but receive power as kings one hour with the Beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


The PROBLEM with making a doctrine on ONE VERSE is your theory may contradict other RELATED passages.
When you have contradictions you cannot have Biblical Truth. I hope we agree on that?


You see there are OTHER passages that indicate the Ten "Kings/Horns' have power for
3.5 "times"
3.5 "days"
3.5 years [42 mos]
3.5 "watches of the night"


In fact the Bible teaches the Saints are within the "Abomination of Desolation" for 2300 literal days.
That is much more than an hour... that's almost 6.5 years.


There is no Biblical doubt the Ten "Kings/Horns/Virgins" have "power as kings"
for MUCH LONGER than the 2300 days of Daniel 8


Dan 8:13-14
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [what is the duration of the Abomination?]
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


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[5thKingdom]

Do you know what " a time" means?

Yes, I know the 3.5 "times" = the 3.5 "days" = the 3.5 years [42 mos] = the 3.5 "watches of the night"
The Bible uses EACH of these term to represent the duration of the Fourth Beast, the Revelation Beast, the Great Tribulation
and Satan's "Little Season"


I also know the "Abomination" lasts 2300 literal days.


I am an expert on eschatology
I know

That's not bragging, everything I know I was given.
But I understand the Gospel including the part AFTER the Last Saint is saved. [Rev 7:1-3]
I even understand the part AFTER the Fourth/Revelation Beast is destroyed. [Dan 7:11-12]
I know what I am talking about.

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[Semper-Fi]

5thKingdom said:

What I MEANT to say is that you think the Saints [within the Ten "Kings/Horns"]
only have a kingdom for one hour?

The ten horns are ten kings, the verse does not say they are saints, that you added.

 

[5thKingdom]

The ten horns are kings, the verse does not say they are saints, that you added.

No... there are other passages that calls them Saints

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[5thKingdom]

The ten horns are kings, the verse does not say they are saints, that you added.

First, you need to understand the PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE
living in the Great Tribulation and the SAME PEOPLE living in Daniel's Fourth Beast
and the SAME PEOPLE living in Satan's "Little Season"


We know this absolutely because IN EACH CASE they are the people living when the Lord Returns...
they are the Last Saints.


The Saints are always the "wheat" within the "wheat and tares" in the Church.
The Last Saints are the "wheat" within the "wheat and tares" living when the Lord Returns


In Daniel 7 they are called the Ten "Kings/Horns"
In Rev 17 they are called the Ten "Kings/Horns"
In Dan 2 they are called the Ten "Kings/Toes"
In Mat 25 they are called the Ten "Virgins"
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In EACH CASE they are the PEOPLE living on earth when the Lord Returns


OK... so WHERE are these people called "Saints"?


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:24-25
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they [the Saints]shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.


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[Semper-Fi]

No... there are other passages that calls them Saints

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And where again does the bible says the beast symbol=saints?

 

[Semper-Fi]

OK... so WHERE are these people called "Saints"?

Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:24-25
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they [the Saints]shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 7:24-25

So one of the ten horns/kings/kingdom out of this 4th kingdom,
speaks great words against the most High, and wears out the saints.

Dan 7:21-22

This same horn [the 4th] made war with the saints.

Horn/kingdom against the saints, this does not help your view.
This shows the beast, nor the ten horns are saints.

 

[Semper-Fi]

As foretold, [Dan 7:23] four Kingdoms arise on the earth.
The first was the Pre-Flood Kingdom, from Adam to Noah.

No, Four physical world ruling [kingdoms of men] on earth, you
create a spiritual reality only you know, everyone else does not.

You can say there is saved people before the flood that will be in the
first Resurrection, but nothing in Daniel talks about before the flood.

Prophecy is for the future not the past right?
The kingdom of men, where men are ruling over men in Daniel.

"to the intent that the living may know the most High ruleth
in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will,
and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Daniel 4:17, Daniel 4:25, Daniel 4:32, Daniel 5:21

Christians should know the (2nd) Jewish “Kingdom of Heaven”,
specifically NAMED by Jesus, [Mat 22:2-7]

There is no such thing as a "Jewish Kingdom of Heaven”.
I can go in great detail about the tribes of Israel if I had time.

Matthew 22 is a parable
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables,
and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,.....

We [His Church] the bride are going to be married to Christ, when
He returns in all His Honor and Glory to reign on Davids Throne.
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13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot,
and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there
shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Future tense, this happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Mat 25:1-2
THEN shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].

This is what it really says.

1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

This is a parable, the kingdom of heaven is like....
Again in context this happens when Christ returns.

12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein
the Son of man cometh.

Half the church members are wise, half the church members are
foolish. This is the great falling away in the end times church.
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"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, [when ye shall see]
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom
of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Luke 13:28

Future tense, other verses show happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Matthew 8
11And I say unto you, That [many shall come] from the east and west, and
shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into
outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Again Future tense, this happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ. When death
and hell are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:6

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: We shall be
priests and Kings of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years.

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he
sit upon the throne of his glory:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

"flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;"

 

[5thKingdom]

And where again does the bible says the beast symbol=saints?

Sigh...

First... there is no such thing as a "Beast symbol".
The BEAST is a "Kingdom".

Dan 7:23
Thus he said, The FOURTH BEAST SHALL BE THE FOURTH KINGDOM UPON THE EARTH,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


Secondly... I just GAVE YOU two passage showing the FOURTH BEAST
consists of "the Saints"...


Pay attention now... the words "Saints" is in RED



Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the SAINTS, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:24-25
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they [the Saints]shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.


NOW... when you read about how the Beast consists of Ten "Kings/Horns"
and PART of them are the (Last) SAINTS...
what do you NOT understand.


OK.... one more passage


The Ten "virgins" of the FOURTH KINGDOM (Fourth Beast)
consist of saved "wise virgins" and unsaved "foolish virgins"
the "wise virgins" (part of the Ten Virgins) are the Last Saints...


Mat 25:1 Then shall the [Great Tribulation] KINGDOM OF HEAVEN be likened unto TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them
were [saved] wise, and five were [unsaved] foolish.


Listen, if you STILL cannot 9or will not) see the Fourth Beast RULES over the "Saints"...
then I cannot help you see. I have given you the passages, that is all I can do for you.


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[5thKingdom]

Dan 7:24-25

So one of the ten horns/kings/kingdom out of this 4th kingdom,
speaks great words against the most High, and wears out the saints.

Dan 7:21-22

This same horn [the 4th] made war with the saints.

Horn/kingdom against the saints, this does not help your view.
This shows the beast, nor the ten horns are saints.

Sorry, you cannot see what the Bible is teaching

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[5thKingdom]

No, Four physical world ruling [kingdoms of men] on earth, you
create a spiritual reality only you know, everyone else does not.

You can say there is saved people before the flood that will be in the
first Resurrection, but nothing in Daniel talks about before the flood.

Prophecy is for the future not the past right?
The kingdom of men, where men are ruling over men in Daniel.

"to the intent that the living may know the most High ruleth
in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will,
and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Daniel 4:17, Daniel 4:25, Daniel 4:32, Daniel 5:21



There is no such thing as a "Jewish Kingdom of Heaven”.
I can go in great detail about the tribes of Israel if I had time.

Matthew 22 is a parable
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables,
and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,.....

We [His Church] the bride are going to be married to Christ, when
He returns in all His Honor and Glory to reign on Davids Throne.
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13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot,
and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there
shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Future tense, this happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ.



This is what it really says.

1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

This is a parable, the kingdom of heaven is like....
Again in context this happens when Christ returns.

12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein
the Son of man cometh.

Half the church members are wise, half the church members are
foolish. This is the great falling away in the end times church.
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"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, [when ye shall see]
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom
of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Luke 13:28

Future tense, other verses show happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Matthew 8
11And I say unto you, That [many shall come] from the east and west, and
shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into
outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Again Future tense, this happens after the 1000 year reign of Christ. When death
and hell are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:6

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: We shall be
priests and Kings of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years.

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he
sit upon the throne of his glory:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

"flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;"

I am sorry, I cannot help you "see" what the Bible teaches on this matter.
Good luck to you.


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[Semper-Fi]

Sigh...

First... there is no such thing as a "Beast symbol".
The BEAST is a "Kingdom". Dan 7:23

There are symbols all throughout the bible don't you know.
We have to interpret symbols when we come across them.

Like [a lamb] could be an animal, or a symbol of Christ.
Another example is A [woman], in places means a church,
or [the stone] smashing the image at its toes is Christ.

We know what the word/symbol dragon/Satan means in scripures.
You interpret symbols all the time on your threads. People also
disagree all the time about this. This is why we are given this verse.

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy
of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I say WE HAVE to let the bible interpretation itself.
If we want the truth, we must be guided solely by the Bibles
interpretation, not man’s interpretations and imaginations.

In the bible there is a picture of a statue that talks about
beasts. We have to look in scripture to see what it means.

Nebuchadnezzar dream had different symbols or images.
Danial interpretated it for king Nebuchadnezzar already.
Danial also had a dream and visions in Daniel 7, where he
talked about four great beasts, that he explains further.

3] And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse...
17] These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. Then Dan 7:23

23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth
kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms."

He connects four beasts, as four kings, then as kingdoms upon earth.
The word king is synonymous with kingdom, pictured as a beast.
"that devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces."

Yes Scripture shows a beast refers to a king/and his kingdom.
But The bible [does not picture saints as a beast kingdom.]

"Thou art this head of gold." Daniel referring to the statue
of [the kingdoms of men], man ruling over man, and gives us more
info what it means. Revelation adds more info on symbols given.
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Johns Vision In the vision he saw “a beast" rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,

and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw [was like] unto a leopard,
and his feet [were as] the feet of a bear,
and his mouth [as the] mouth of a lion:

the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
(Rev 13:1-2). This description will help identify the beast.

Can you explain what the lion, the bear and the leopard mean?

In Daniel 7, we find exactly these same symbols described.
As in rev. they rises up out of the sea. people/multitudes.
Here again are the beasts, the seven heads, the 10 horns,
and here also is the lion, the bear and the leopard.

In Daniel the Bible tells us what these symbols represent.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Secondly... I just GAVE YOU two passage showing
the FOURTH BEAST consists of "the Saints"...
Pay attention now... the words "Saints" is in RED

Sigh...And I showed you in my reply the horn was against
the saints. Saints do not war with other saints you think.

Dan 7:21-22
21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Pay attention, the "bad guys" are in Blue, "the Saints" good guys are in RED.

" the same horn made war with the SAINTS,"....

one of the horns [ in blue] makes war with the saints [in red].
This shows this horn/king/kingdom is not the saints.

.."and prevailed against them;"..

Yes Gods prophets/saints/Church/ still have been persecuted.
"If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you;
if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours's also."

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the
wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

A woman/church sits or rides seven heads.

Rev. 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast
that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Rev. 18:24 The woman who rides the beast And in her
was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all
that were slain upon the earth.

A woman sits upon a scarlet coloured beast that kills saints.
Who is this "The woman" who rides this "the beast"?

The 7 heads
Nebuchadnezzar was the first of the seven heads.
one head described on the lion, one for the bear,
one for the fourth beast—but the third beast, the
leopard, had four heads—making seven heads in all.
The last head, the fourth beast, that ten horns grew out of.

Back to Daniel 7:21-22 "Until the Ancient of days came,
and [judgment was given] to the saints of the most High;"

1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that [we shall judge angels]?
how much more things that pertain to this life?

"and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven,
saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

We know when these things will happen, when Christ returns to reign.
Christ will smash the worlds kingdoms of man ruling over mankind.
And He will setup his government, and rule for a thousand years.
The saints will be immortal, kings/and or priests/given a kingdom.
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Now to Dan 7:24-25. the "Saints" and good guys in RED, "the bad guys" are in Blue.

24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings."

Ten horns/kings/kingdoms come out of [this kingdom], the fourth beast in ver. 19.

Horn kingdoms shall arise one after another. 3 fell before it verse 20.
He is the 4th or [little horn] growing out of the fourth beast in Daniel 8:9.

[He = the 4th horn king/kingdom], the [same horn] mentioned in Daniel 7:21.
"even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things,
whose look was more stout than his fellows."

...And [he] shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the SAINTS of the most High,

forth Horn/king/kingdom wears out the SAINTS of the most High.

And [he] shall...,[25] "and think to change times and laws: and [they] shall
be given into [his hand] until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Jesus warned about this happening.

"Then shall [they] deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

How does [he] "think to change times and laws" ?
This shows this horn/king/kingdom is not the saints.

I will post further about these ten horn that arise from the
forth beast when I find more time, never good to rush posts.

 

[Semper-Fi]

OK.... one more passage

The Ten "virgins" of the FOURTH KINGDOM (Fourth Beast) Mat 25:1

I went over that verse already in another post, #48.

Also that verse does not have the word beast in it,
let alone nothing mentioned about the forth beast.

Are you saying every parable about " the KINGDOM OF
HEAVEN is like..." refers to the [Great Tribulation] ?

Virgins are unmarried/woman/church connections symbols.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
OK.... one more passage

The Ten "virgins" of the FOURTH KINGDOM (Fourth Beast) Mat 25:1

I went over that verse already in another post, #48.

Also that verse does not have the word beast in it,
let alone nothing mentioned about the forth beast.

That is true.
You must be able to HARMONIZE all the passages about the Fourth Beast... the time AFTER the Last Saint is "sealed" (saved)
before you can understand it's NOT during the Great Commission... BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed".
Rev 7:1-3 PROVES this reality.


You want the Bible to provide ALL THE INFORMATION about the Fourth Beast in one verse..
It does NOT work like that.


Bible Study is not hard:
You collect ALL RELATED verses and you HARMONIZE them (make them "fit" together without contradiction)
THAT is how you find Biblical Truth.


I cannot do ALL the work for you...
I can only provide the finished product to you...
a doctrine that harmonizes with ALL RELATED passages.

Are you saying every parable about " the KINGDOM OF
HEAVEN is like..." refers to the [Great Tribulation] ?

Virgins are unmarried/woman/church connections symbols.

The Ten "Virgins" of Matthew 25 represent the Last Saints on earth [they are taken into the Marriage and the DOOR WAS SHUT]
The Ten "Kings" and Ten "Horns" of Daniel 7 AND Revelation 17 represent the SAME PEOPLE
The Ten "Kings" and Ten "Toes" of Daniel 2:44 represent the SAME PEOPLE


In EACH case they are the Last Saints... the Saints LIVING on earth when the Lord Returns.


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


I am sorry that you cannot "see" what the Bible teaches.
But your inability to "see" does not negate Biblical validation.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

Saints do not war with other saints you think.

I never said they do.


I said the Anti-Christ (the Little Horn, False Prophet, Man of Sin) RULES over the Saints
in Daniel's Fourth Kingdom.


Please pay attention to MY WORDS and do not put words in my mouth.


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Sigh...

First... there is no such thing as a "Beast symbol".
The BEAST is a "Kingdom". Dan 7:23

There are symbols all throughout the bible don't you know.
We have to interpret symbols when we come across them.

No doubt there are symbols in the Bible... but that is NOT the question.
To PRETEND that is the question is to construct a STRAWMAN.


The question is WHAT is the DEFINITION of the "Beast"?

The "Beast" represents a "Kingdom" full of PEOPLE.


There are FOUR "Beasts" or "Kingdoms" that arise on earth


(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Saints from Adam to Noah)

(2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" specifically NAMED in Matthew 22:2

(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" specifically NAMED in Mat 13 [7 verses]... the time BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed" (saved)

(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" specifically NAMED in Mat 25:1... the time AFTER the Last Saint is "sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]


This is what the BIBLE teaches.
The fact that this is NEW information to you is meaningless.
It HARMONIZES with ALL RELATED passages proving it is Biblically valid.


Remember, the Bible PROMISES [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies was "closed-up" and "sealed"
to all the Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) the TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End".
This is happening NOW.


Jim

 

[Timtofly]

5thKingdom said:
So you think the Revelation Beast only exists for one hour...
that is hilarious.

Why is Scripture funny?

They never have a kingdom period, unless in the LOF.

The one hour they join up with Satan is at Armageddon. Then they are dead.

John never claims they ever had a kingdom. He calls them kings, because that is their aspiration.

 

[Semper-Fi]

5thKingdom said:
Sigh...

First... there is no such thing as a "Beast symbol".
The BEAST is a "Kingdom". Dan 7:23

Are you saying beast is not a symbol for something?

No doubt there are symbols in the Bible...

Oh so beast is a symbol like I said ok.

Yes we do have to let the bible tell us what this symbol means.

but that is NOT the question.

You said there was no beast symbol.
I replied back that it was a symbol for something.

The question is WHAT is the DEFINITION of the "Beast"?

The "Beast" represents a "Kingdom" full of PEOPLE.

With A king and kingdom who ruled over all the known world.
We know the kings name of this first world empire was, that took Judah captive.
We know the kings name and kingdom of the 2nd world empire, it [was not a Jewish one].
The bible calls these "kingdoms of men" not "the kingdom of heaven is like"

This is what the BIBLE teaches.

No it does not. The bible teaches that Jesus will return and smash this
image of gental nations, and rule with rod of iron for exactly 1000 years.

Do you want bible verses about Christs 1000 year reign?
You know harmonize scriptures with all related passages right.