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The History of Man (part 1)

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Can you supply a link to this paper so we can see where it comes from, and who wrote it.
Are you allowed, or have permission to repost something without giving the author credit?


No... I don't know how to do that.
Look through the posts. I only posted it last week


I find it odd an end time saint, who has revelations about church era's,
does not even know who was in the congregation in the wilderness.

Not one verse in the bible describes Gods church as [a beast].


Wrong... the NATURE of the Fourth Beast is the Saints are RULED by the Anti-Christ
and the Last Saints "give their Kingdom to the Beast".
Is this "news" to you?


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:24-25
And the TEN HORNS out of this [FOURTH] Kingdom are TEN KINGS that shall arise: and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High,

and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Rev 17:12-13
And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, which have received no kingdom as yet [WHEN JOHN WROTE]
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Now...... WHY in the world would the Last Saints "give their power and strength to the Beast"?


Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


The NATURE of the Fourth Beast is it RULES over the Last Saints "until the Ancient of Days came"...
if you do not understand the NATURE of the Fourth Beast you cannot hope to understand
WHAT the Fourth Beast (or any of the Beasts) represent.


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Nebuchadnezzars son Belshazzar had a feast and used the
golden and silver vessels from the first temple to drink wine.

The Writing on the Wall [25] And this is the writing
that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.


So you REJECT the vision has a SPIRITUAL meaning?

So you REJECT the Bible PROMISE the Truth remains "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" during the "Time of the End"....

You cannot have it BOTH ways.
Either the (spiritual) Truth remained "sealed" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]
or the Truth was NOT "sealed"... it was known from the Start...
even though Daniel did not understand it [Dan 12:8]

You cannot have it BOTH WAYS


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No... I don't know how to do that.
Look through the posts. I only posted it last week
I looked through this thread for it, was not here, that is why I asked.
You know how to copy and paste text already; the rest is easy.
You can Copy and paste the url from website you copied text from.

https://www...........
 
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I looked through this thread for it, was not here, that is why I asked.
You know how to copy and paste text already; the rest is easy.
You can Copy and paste the url from website you copied text from.

https://www...........


I will try to bump the OP in this thread
 
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I will try to bump the OP in this thread
Like I said you never added the link to this thread.
You cannot bump something that is not there.
You can add the link if you know where you found the text.
 
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The thread you are on NOW is the History of Man (Part 1)

READ the OP.

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You have yet to link to web page where you copied the text from.
Are you the author of this paper?
 
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Over 100 views and not ONE VERSE offered to refute anything said.
Don't feel bad, this information was provided to over 200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America
and NONE of them could refute the information... so it's not likely someone on this forum can.

Jim
Can you show where this information was provided to over
200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America?
 
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Can you show where this information was provided to over
200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America?


Yes... why would you think I am lying?

The information was sent (repeatedly) to over 200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America
and to over 200 pastors teaching in the most conservative/Reformed churches.

And nobody could offer ONE VERSE of Scripture to refute anything said.
Just as today nobody can offer ONE VERSE to refute anything,
they can only DENY the information is Biblically valid.


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So you think the PEOPLE of Babylon and the PEOPLE of Persia
and the PEOPLE of Greece"have their lives prolonged" on earth
for a period called the "Season and Time"

No, they are long dead so how can that happen?

How can the dead people from before the flood "have their
lives prolonged" for a "Season and Time" when they are dead.
 
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Rev 17:12-13
And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest are TEN KINGS,
which have received no kingdom as yet [WHEN JOHN WROTE]
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give their power
and strength unto the beast.

Now...... WHY in the world would the Last Saints
"give their power and strength to the Beast"?

Because they are not saints, the TEN HORNS are TEN KINGS, it does
not say they are ten saints. They have not received kingdoms yet.

Do you know 10 saints that are kings on earth?
Who are these 10 kings[kingdoms] mentioned?

They give their power and strength = [army's] to
the beast kingdom for one hour [a very short time].
 
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So you think the PEOPLE of Babylon and the PEOPLE of Persia
and the PEOPLE of Greece"have their lives prolonged" on earth
for a period called the "Season and Time"


No, they are long dead so how can that happen?


It cannot happen.
Which PROVES the theory of Babylon/Persia/Greece/Rome is a FALSE DOCTRINE


Daniel 12 PROMISES the Truth about Daniel's Four Beast remains "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" the TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End"


That means that EVERY old "interpretation" about Daniel's Beasts
MUST BE WRONG because it was developed during a time when
the Bible PROMISES the Truth remained "sealed"


How can the dead people from before the flood "have their
lives prolonged" for a "Season and Time" when they are dead.


Good question... they cannot

Daniel 7:11-12 is talking about the Beasts
AFTER the Flood... the (2nd) Jewish Beast
and the (3rd) Christian Beast.

It is taken for granted that the (1st) Pre-Flood Beast
ended with the Flood.

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Rev 17:12-13
And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest are TEN KINGS,
which have received no kingdom as yet [WHEN JOHN WROTE]
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give their power
and strength unto the beast.

Now...... WHY in the world would the Last Saints
"give their power and strength to the Beast"?


Because they are not saints, the TEN HORNS are TEN KINGS, it does
not say they are ten saints. They have not received kingdoms yet.


You misunderstand.
The Ten "Kings" and the Ten "Horns" and the Ten "Virgins"
represent the last "wheat and tares" that were "harvested" into the Fourth Beast.

These Ten "Kings/Horns/Virgins" consist of BOTH the Last Saints (the saved "wheat")
as well as the Last (unsaved) "tares"


Mat 25:1-2
THEN
shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].


The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom – or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom of Heaven”.


Only the Last Saints are able understand the context of there being four “Kingdoms/Beasts” upon the earth.
The churches thought “Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (3rd) Christian Kingdom, just as Temples
thought “Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (2nd) Jewish Kingdom. However, the Bible promised
the truth about the “Time-of-the-End” would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the Saints – until the
Last Saints “shall understand”.


All “Time-of-the-End” passages are related to Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom of Heaven” on earth, not the Third Beast.




They give their power and strength = [army's] to
the beast kingdom for one hour [a very short time].


They give their KINGDOM to the Beast during the Fourth Beast
(the Revelation Beast) for a short time (not an hour).


Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree,
and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


The duration of the Great Tribulation AFTER the Last Saint is "sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
is a short time compared to the duration of the Great Commission BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed"

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They give their KINGDOM to the Beast during the Fourth Beast
(the Revelation Beast) for a short time (not an hour).
You might want to reread bible verse you gave, Like I said.
The bible verse reads for one hour= [a very short time].

"but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

They give their power and strength = [army's] to the beast kingdom.
 
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What about the PROMISE the Truth would remain "closed-up"
and "sealed" until the Last Saints "shall understand" at
the "Time-of-the-End"? [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]
First it is a prophecy of the future, not a promise.

God had promised ancient Israel to be His nation if they obeyed.
they would grow into a multitude of nations, a physical empire—
that would dominate the entire Earth. But, for disobedience they
would have to be taken captive by Gentile nations.

Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came unto Jerusalem and besieged it.
Danial was captive by Nebuchadnezzar, along with the temple area.

Daniel told the Chaldean king that he and his kingdom were represented
by the image’s head of gold, "which shall bear rule over all the earth".
Did [the first kingdom of heaven before flood] rule over all the earth?

36"This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before
the king." 45"the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

Danial did not lie, Nebuchadnezzar besieged Jerusalem and took the kingdom of
Judah captive because of sin, and he was the first world ruling gentile king.

Nebuchadnezzar had another dream. Daniel 4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king,
unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth.

Nebuchadnezzar speaking here below.
4] I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
5] I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and
the visions of my head troubled me.....

Daniel 4:8-9 Nebuchadnezzar tells Danial about this new dream.
Daniel gave many interpretations of visions, not all was future.
10Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
and behold a tree in the midst of the earth......

Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar "the dream be to them that hate thee,
and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies."
20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew strong.....22 it is thou,
O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown,
and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

24 this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the
most High, which is come upon my lord the king: 25that they shall
drive thee from men...till thou know that the most High ruleth in
the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

Nebuchadnezzar nor Daniel lied, it was many visions and interpretations.
The punishment Nebuchadnezzar endured was a warning to all. Daniel 4:17

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the
word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that
the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever
he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the
Most High over all the earth. "and giveth it to whomsoever he will"

Verse 34 Nebuchadnezzar repented, and his kingdom and glory restored.

King Nebuchadnezzar ruled in the first world empire that God refers
to as [ kingdom of men], because God gave it to Nebuchadnezzar,
man ruling over men

The Babylonian Empire was taken from Nebuchadnezzars son because he
desecrated the wine vessels taken from the temple siege. He did not learn
to humble his heart, and not take heed of his fathers event before him.

End of first genital world ruling beast/kingdom over man
 
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continued:

Danial lived in the 2nd gentile beast/king/ this time the
Medo-Persian kingdom/ and under another king over all the earth.

26 This is the interpretation of the thing....
30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. Darius
the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

"It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty
princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; 2and over these
three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might
give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.

To Danial this was not prophecy to him, but current events he lived
in, first hand knowledge. Danial did not live in the 3rd kingdom of men.
-

Daniel recorded nearly 400 years of history before it was history.
There is historical confirmation of these prophesied events to a tee.
Like Daniel 10:10 through 12:4 is the longest single vision in the Bible.

This vision given to Daniel “was true, but the time appointed was long.
Daniel received this vision during the third year of Cyrus the Great,
around 535 b.c., to Cyrus the founder of the Medo-Persian Empire.

Much of this prophecy was fulfilled centuries ago, yes the main fulfillment
of this passage is still during the latter days—the time we are living in now.

“Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people
in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days

"I heard the answer, but I did not really understand, so I asked,
“Master, what will happen after all these things come true?”

“My lord, what shall be the end of these things?” the vision is for many days,
the end of these things, what will happen after all these things come true.
-

"the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"

10 "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them
in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you
to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven
, but to them it is not given.

Jesus disciples/Saints/new T. church, was given to know the mysteries.
of the kingdom of heaven back in the time of Christ on this earth.

"I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus did not teach the future coming kingdom of God on earth till
after he defeated and qualified to replace Satan as God of this world.

"and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel. We are to pray' thy Kingdom come...

The key of David unlocks many things after Christ dies.
Revelation 3:7, Matthew 16:19, Isaiah 22:22. Revelation 19:10

John writes about Daniels 4 beasts also and gave more information about
what came after the 4th beast, the ten horns that grew out of the 4th
beast, and the last ten toes...that Christ smashes. Revelation 11:15

John also warns use about the beast. Here is wisdom. Rev 13:17-18, 15:2.
The beast has a number and may be identified, if we have wisdom.
The Number of the ‘Beast’—666—Whose Number Is It? count the number?
John lived in the era of this beast [Rome], had him imprisoned in jail.
And yet, this is “new information” to the world

20 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of
the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Jesus gave the keys to the Kingdome of God to the new test. saints.
We do not have to wait for your version of Danial, that denies this
is not prophecy of 4 genital world ruling nations in advance.

As soon as prophecy is fulfilled, it becomes history. The Bible is
full of fulfilled prophecy now in history books, yet more to come.

for “Surely the Lord will do nothing, but he revealeth
his secret unto his servants the prophets”: Amos 3:7

Are you a prophet?
 
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You might want to reread bible verse you gave, Like I said.
The bible verse reads for one hour= [a very short time].

"but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

They give their power and strength = [army's] to the beast kingdom.


So you think the Revelation Beast only exists for one hour...
that is hilarious.

What about the Scriptures that say the Beast exists for
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 mos) and 3.5 "watches of the night"?

What about Scripture that says Daniel's Abomination exists for 2300 days?
Do you just REJECT all these contradicting Scriptures?

When you develop doctrine FROM ONE VERSE you are destined to have false doctrines
because the TRUTH can only be found from harmony of ALL RELATED Scriptures.
This is Christian Theology 101.

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First it is a prophecy of the future, not a promise.

God had promised ancient Israel to be His nation if they obeyed.
they would grow into a multitude of nations, a physical empire—
that would dominate the entire Earth. But, for disobedience they
would have to be taken captive by Gentile nations.

Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came unto Jerusalem and besieged it.
Danial was captive by Nebuchadnezzar, along with the temple area.

Daniel told the Chaldean king that he and his kingdom were represented
by the image’s head of gold, "which shall bear rule over all the earth".
Did [the first kingdom of heaven before flood] rule over all the earth?

36"This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before
the king." 45"the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

Danial did not lie, Nebuchadnezzar besieged Jerusalem and took the kingdom of
Judah captive because of sin, and he was the first world ruling gentile king.

Nebuchadnezzar had another dream. Daniel 4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king,
unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth.

Nebuchadnezzar speaking here below.
4] I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
5] I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and
the visions of my head troubled me.....

Daniel 4:8-9 Nebuchadnezzar tells Danial about this new dream.
Daniel gave many interpretations of visions, not all was future.
10Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
and behold a tree in the midst of the earth......

Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar "the dream be to them that hate thee,
and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies."
20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew strong.....22 it is thou,
O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown,
and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

24 this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the
most High, which is come upon my lord the king: 25that they shall
drive thee from men...till thou know that the most High ruleth in
the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

Nebuchadnezzar nor Daniel lied, it was many visions and interpretations.
The punishment Nebuchadnezzar endured was a warning to all. Daniel 4:17

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the
word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that
the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever
he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the
Most High over all the earth. "and giveth it to whomsoever he will"

Verse 34 Nebuchadnezzar repented, and his kingdom and glory restored.

King Nebuchadnezzar ruled in the first world empire that God refers
to as [ kingdom of men], because God gave it to Nebuchadnezzar,
man ruling over men

The Babylonian Empire was taken from Nebuchadnezzars son because he
desecrated the wine vessels taken from the temple siege. He did not learn
to humble his heart, and not take heed of his fathers event before him.

End of first genital world ruling beast/kingdom over man


Sir you CONFLATE the physical fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies (which is known)
with the spiritual fulfillment which the Bible PROMISES remains "closed-up" and "sealed"
until the Last Saints "shall understand" the Truth at the "Time-of-the-End" [Dan 12:4 adn 12:8-10]

Daniel's prophecies had a physical fulfillment
AND a spiritual fulfillment... we must not CONFLATE the two.

Now... you can REJECT this Biblical reality,
but you are rejecting the Word of God (not my words)

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So you think the Revelation Beast only exists for one hour...
that is hilarious.
This is not funny, Again you need to read that verse Again,
and I did not say the Beast only exists for one hour. Revelation 17:12-13

The bible says the ten horns/kings give their power over to beast for one hour.
 
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