So...Biden Also Took Private Documents

[driewerf]

Well it's not really that they should be raiding the office....but probably the lawyers' offices, and all of Joe's other places of work and living.

If he's just forgetting material like this....you know....for reasons.....then the guy currently in charge of national security is a threat to national security.

As it can be read in the article, Biden's lawyers contacted the National Archives themselves and handed the documents immediately over. They didn't wait for a sub poena. So there is no need for an FBI raid either.
If I were an evil genius; I would quote this part of the article: "The discovery has drawn pushback from Trump allies, who have sarcastically asked whether the FBI will be raiding Biden’s properties in search of more documents. "

 

[ozso]

Of course, if they had evidence of a crime....why hasn't he been charged?

"These things take time" - 2017
"These things take time" - 2018
"These things take time" - 2019
"These things take time" - 2020
"These things take time" - 2021
"These things take time" - 2022
"These things take time" - 2023

 

[perplexed]

It is funny how CNN is not saying how Biden acted inappropriately

I don't understand why people are talking about raiding Biden's Property
I Trump found some documents he should not have had and the DOJ did not know about and handed them
over he would not have been raided.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Joe was not covered by the Presidential Records Act as was President Trump, the vice president does NOT have the same authority as does a president.

Haha, the Presidential Records Act is not additional authority for the president, it is an additional obligation that the presidential administration must meet.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Well it's not really that they should be raiding the office....but probably the lawyers' offices, and all of Joe's other places of work and living.

There was probable cause to believe that Trump had not turned over some documents, and where they were. That's how a search warrant was obtained.

I don't think any judge is going to think your suggestion is reasonable, and hence the Fourth Amendment will prevent such a fishing expedition.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"These things take time" - 2017
"These things take time" - 2018
"These things take time" - 2019
"These things take time" - 2020
"These things take time" - 2021
"These things take time" - 2022
"These things take time" - 2023

The thing that takes time is a group of people realizing that the statements told about a person are either false, exaggerated, or so commonplace they're only a shock to those who think they're novel.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There was probable cause to believe that Trump had not turned over some documents, and where they were. That's how a search warrant was obtained.

There's also probable cause to believe Biden didn't turn over classified information....you know, the fact that he didn't.

I don't think any judge is going to think your suggestion is reasonable, and hence the Fourth Amendment will prevent such a fishing expedition.

Well if the explanation given is "ooopsie I forgot I left state intelligence secrets at my non-government work location" then I don't see why it would be unreasonable to think well if this man was taking documents from work....and forgot about them....we had better at least check any other places he might have forgotten.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As it can be read in the article, Biden's lawyers contacted the National Archives themselves and handed the documents immediately over. They didn't wait for a sub poena. So there is no need for an FBI raid either.
If I were an evil genius; I would quote this part of the article: "The discovery has drawn pushback from Trump allies, who have sarcastically asked whether the FBI will be raiding Biden’s properties in search of more documents. "

We all know there won't be any raids. He can just call the FBI and say "there won't be any raids on my various offices and homes and anything related to me".

 

[Saucy]

The only real difference here is how it's being handled. Biden is given all the grace and excuses in the world. Democrats shrug it off while also saying Trump needs to go to jail for life for the same thing! With Trump, it's treason. With Biden, it's an oopsie. The way the media is covering it is also night and day. A MASSIVE double standard does exist!

 

[Valletta]

Haha, the Presidential Records Act is not additional authority for the president, it is an additional obligation that the presidential administration must meet.

The vice president does not have the power of the president to declassify. That's no joke.

 

[Valletta]

The only real difference here is how it's being handled. Biden is given all the grace and excuses in the world. Democrats shrug it off while also saying Trump needs to go to jail for life for the same thing! With Trump, it's treason. With Biden, it's an oopsie. The way the media is covering it is also night and day. A MASSIVE double standard does exist!

Let me add there is no shutdown of Penn U. Foreign governments may be looking for themselves at this time. How many documents did Joe have there and how many are missing? Joe was just asked a question and refused to answer. This is a huge security breach, is there anyone in the administration who really cares about national security?

 

[driewerf]

We all know there won't be any raids. He can just call the FBI and say "there won't be any raids on my various offices and homes and anything related to me".

Since there is full cooperation between the Biden team and the national Archive, there is no need for it.
That's a tiny detail that you seem to omit.

 

[driewerf]

The only real difference here is how it's being handled.

There are a few other differences:
1) it were Biden's lawyers that signaled the documents, without the National Archive needing to ask for it
2) the documents were handed over the day after the discovery, without the need of issuing a sub poena.

These two details might have escaped your attention. But it's always a pleasure to help.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The vice president does not have the power of the president to declassify. That's no joke.

That has nothing to do with the Presidential Records Act. That's a fact.

 

[Say it aint so]

Well that's certainly the story of this administration.


Of course, if they had evidence of a crime....why hasn't he been charged?

As we have seen the NARA is not immune to correcting bad information come the handling of documents. Not sure who the "he" is you speak of come being charged. Let me say this, and I have always said this about Trump. When it comes down to doing either the right thing, the wrong thing, or nothing, if Trump sees even doing the wrong thing a personal benefit, he will do the wrong thing without hesitation. That's the summation of him docs in Mar A Largo situation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There's also probable cause to believe Biden didn't turn over classified information....you know, the fact that he didn't.

At this point, we don't know who didn't turn over presidential documents (including some classified ones).

ETA: CNN breaking news says Biden personal family documents were found with them, so it does point more clearly at Joe himself.

Among the classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The boxes with these classified records also contained personal Biden family documents, including materials about Beau Biden’s funeral arrangements, the source told CNN.

 

[ozso]

Whatever the case, this puts a monkey wrench into the ongoing going nowhere accusations against Trump, which only really exist in hopes of it ruining his candidacy. As soon as that "threat" finally becomes a thing of the past, it's all going to fade away. And whichever Republican ends up being the final presidential candidate will then become the focus of all kinds of accusations. All kinds of stuff will suddenly materialize out of the woodwork against that person. At least one "me too" will certainly appear out of thin air.

 

[Say it aint so]

"Title 18 of the United States Code are listed on the warrant. Section 793 covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary. Section 1519 covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings"​

Here to me is the big difference between Trump's situation and Biden's. Section 1519 of the Espionage act covers those "destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations." The NARA turned over the fight to get docs back from Trump to the DOJ. That turned into an investigation replete with a subpoena to which Trump at al fought tooth and nail to obstruct that investigation. Even the actions of the lawyers are far different. Biden's lawyers notified the appropriate agency and turned docs back over. Trump's lawyers participated in the same obstruction and now those attorneys need attorneys.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Since there is full cooperation between the Biden team and the national Archive, there is no need for it.

There's only no need for it if Biden didn't forget any other documents. That's not a job for his lawyers....we don't know if they turned over everything they found or kept some stuff hidden. They're lawyers.


That's a job for the FBI.

 

[Ana the Ist]

At this point, we don't know who didn't turn over presidential documents (including some classified ones).

ETA: CNN breaking news says Biden personal family documents were found with them, so it does point more clearly at Joe himself.

Among the classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The boxes with these classified records also contained personal Biden family documents, including materials about Beau Biden’s funeral arrangements, the source told CNN.

I don't really trust lawyers on Biden’s payroll anymore than I trust lawyers on Trump's payroll.

In Trump's case, this seemed obvious to everyone....now suddenly lawyers turning over documents isn't a problem at all.