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Let's all agree on a few basic moral facts.
Scenario: A mother is found guilty of killing her six month old baby:
Sample reasons given (pick any one):
1. I already had too many babies/children and finally determined I could not afford this last one.
2. The baby was a result of incest and after 6 months I determined it was best if the baby did not exist
3. The baby was a result of sexual violence against me - I no longer wanted a reminder of that
4. I have a lot of things on my plate these days - it was one too many distractions.
5. The baby was somewhat high maintenance due to some physical deformity
6. I just found that baby to be a bit inconvenient.
7. I had an allergy to the baby's hair for some odd reason.
So then IF we lived in a world where a lot of 6 month olds were being terminated for those reasons - we would all probably object saying that it was/is a big moral atrocity and needs to stop. We might all even agree that it is "the top moral issue of our times" regardless of how many legal or illegal aliens come over the borders.
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So then given that level of moral clarity about the wrongness of killing humans...
What about the cases of
1. birth day abortions?
2. abortions at 6 months of pregnancy?
3. Abortions at any point after viability?
4. Abortion at any point when the baby has a heart and brain.
Do you have the view that if someone is holding their breath, they are no longer human? Do you believe a baby is not human if it holds its breath or is on a perfusion machine in surgery because in those cases -- it is not using its airway passage to breathe?
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Many states even to this day admit the unborn child is a human with the right to live when they create their laws against the murder of the unborn child --
So then a "bad actor" that causes the death of the unborn child as part of his/her crime against a pregnant mother - has certain criminal charges laid against him.
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Alabama: Legislation taking effect July 1, 2006 (HB 19) amended Section 13A-6-1 of the Code of Alabama to include “an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability” as a “person” and “human being” for purposes of the state laws dealing with murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, and assault.
Alaska: Alaska Statutes 11.41 (as amended by Senate Bill 20, enacted June 16, 2006) establishes the crimes of “murder of an unborn child,” “manslaughter of an unborn child,” “criminally negligent homicide of an unborn child,” and “assault of an unborn child.” Alaska Statutes 11.81.900(b) defines “unborn child” as “a member of species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.”
Arizona: The “unborn child in the womb at any stage of its development” is fully covered by the state’s murder and manslaughter statutes. For purposes of establishing the level of punishment, a victim who is “an unborn child shall be treated like a minor who is under twelve years of age.” Senate Bill 1052, signed into law on April 25, 2005, amending the following sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes: 13-604, 13-604.01, 13-703, 13-1102, 13-1103, 13-1104, 13-1105, 13-4062, 31-412, 41-1604.11 and 41-1604.13.
(just listing a few examples above)..
This is not the massively confusing fact of life that some have suggested.
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from: State Laws on Fetal Homicide and Penalty-enhancement for Crimes Against Pregnant Women
"Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*)."
Scenario: A mother is found guilty of killing her six month old baby:
Sample reasons given (pick any one):
1. I already had too many babies/children and finally determined I could not afford this last one.
2. The baby was a result of incest and after 6 months I determined it was best if the baby did not exist
3. The baby was a result of sexual violence against me - I no longer wanted a reminder of that
4. I have a lot of things on my plate these days - it was one too many distractions.
5. The baby was somewhat high maintenance due to some physical deformity
6. I just found that baby to be a bit inconvenient.
7. I had an allergy to the baby's hair for some odd reason.
So then IF we lived in a world where a lot of 6 month olds were being terminated for those reasons - we would all probably object saying that it was/is a big moral atrocity and needs to stop. We might all even agree that it is "the top moral issue of our times" regardless of how many legal or illegal aliens come over the borders.
=====================
So then given that level of moral clarity about the wrongness of killing humans...
What about the cases of
1. birth day abortions?
2. abortions at 6 months of pregnancy?
3. Abortions at any point after viability?
4. Abortion at any point when the baby has a heart and brain.
Do you have the view that if someone is holding their breath, they are no longer human? Do you believe a baby is not human if it holds its breath or is on a perfusion machine in surgery because in those cases -- it is not using its airway passage to breathe?
===================
Many states even to this day admit the unborn child is a human with the right to live when they create their laws against the murder of the unborn child --
So then a "bad actor" that causes the death of the unborn child as part of his/her crime against a pregnant mother - has certain criminal charges laid against him.
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims | National Right to Life
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims
Alabama: Legislation taking effect July 1, 2006 (HB 19) amended Section 13A-6-1 of the Code of Alabama to include “an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability” as a “person” and “human being” for purposes of the state laws dealing with murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, and assault.
Alaska: Alaska Statutes 11.41 (as amended by Senate Bill 20, enacted June 16, 2006) establishes the crimes of “murder of an unborn child,” “manslaughter of an unborn child,” “criminally negligent homicide of an unborn child,” and “assault of an unborn child.” Alaska Statutes 11.81.900(b) defines “unborn child” as “a member of species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.”
Arizona: The “unborn child in the womb at any stage of its development” is fully covered by the state’s murder and manslaughter statutes. For purposes of establishing the level of punishment, a victim who is “an unborn child shall be treated like a minor who is under twelve years of age.” Senate Bill 1052, signed into law on April 25, 2005, amending the following sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes: 13-604, 13-604.01, 13-703, 13-1102, 13-1103, 13-1104, 13-1105, 13-4062, 31-412, 41-1604.11 and 41-1604.13.
(just listing a few examples above)..
This is not the massively confusing fact of life that some have suggested.
====================
from: State Laws on Fetal Homicide and Penalty-enhancement for Crimes Against Pregnant Women
"Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*)."
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