Election 2022 Results

[mark46]

I’m going off-topic. I’ve always had some respect for Pres. Nixon. He really accomplished a lot. The EPA and OSHA were enacted on his watch. It was his doing that Title X of the Public Health Services Act became law. This provides birth control and reproductive health services to low income women. It’s where PP gets its funding. (It’s hard to imagine a Republican supporting this today.) I’ll also mention that 3 of the SCOTUS justices who voted to decriminalize abortion were his appointees. Including Justice Blackmun who wrote the Roe v. Wade opinion. The Endangered Species Act was a Nixon program. And—most importantly to me— he recognized what a catastrophic mistake our involvement in Vietnam was. In the early 70s, he ended all active combat roles for US forces, and began their withdrawal. In 1973, he ended the draft and made the military all-volunteer. Which it still is today. And it’s the reason I could complete my education without worry or interruption.

If not for one incident—Watergate obviously—Richard Nixon had a successful presidency. But that’s like saying if not for one incident, the maiden voyage of the Titanic was a successful cruise.

Sorry for a long off-topic post.

Generally, I agree. I would certainly add his opening of the dialog with China.

However, as Milton Friedman (the great economist) opined, I can forgive Nixon Watergate, but NOT wage and price controls. That program harmed the economy greatly for many, many years. I must laugh at current attitudes toward 7% inflation when we had 19% inflation, and higher.

Watergate wasn't much. Imagine needing to break so that you could beat McGovern! The problem as that point was severed alcoholism and his paranoia toward the protestors and the left.
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Overall, Nixon was a net plus. Of course, I would have preferred my personal hero: Humphrey,

 

[DaisyDay]

Democrat Raphael Warnock wins tight Georgia run-off for Senate seat​

Democrats now control 51 of the 100 Senate seats. (effectively 52 seats considering that the VP is a democrat). Republicans control 49 seats.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-election-runoff-warnock-walker-1.6676485

It is not really effectively 52 since the VP only votes to break a tie.

 

[Aldebaran]

Without Trump insisting on these 3 candidates, Republicans would control the Senate, and be able to block all appointments.

As in 2020 (and his campaigning in GA), we Democrats again have Trump to thank for Democratic control of the Senate.
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One man stopped the great Red Wave predicted by so many; that man was Donald Trump.

That makes no sense considering that his endorsements actually won 83% of the time in 2022. That 83% is the highest of Trump endorsement wins over the years, indicating that more people are voting for those that Trump endorses. So they're clearly not moving away from Trump. Endorsements by Donald Trump

 

[Aldebaran]

It is not really effectively 52 since the VP only votes to break a tie.

Making Harris even more irrelevant now.

 

[DaisyDay]

That makes no sense considering that his endorsements actually won 83% of the time in 2022. That 83% is the highest of Trump endorsement wins over the years, indicating that more people are voting for those that Trump endorses. So they're clearly not moving away from Trump. Endorsements by Donald Trump

It makes sense if you eliminate the candidates who were not being challenged realistically.

 

[Aldebaran]

It makes sense if you eliminate the candidates who were not being challenged realistically.

If they got enough votes, they won.
"Eliminating" candidates who won because you don't think they had a "realistic" challenge is simply an attempt to create misinformation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Making Harris even more irrelevant now.

More irrelevant than "very relevant" yes, you are technically correct. (The best kind of correct.)

 

[mark46]

If they got enough votes, they won.
"Eliminating" candidates who won because you don't think they had a "realistic" challenge is simply an attempt to create misinformation.

Believe Trump and the far right or believe those who have run the Senate for decades. As a Democrat, given inflation and Biden's ratings, I knew just how bad this election could have been. But, as in 2020, Trump and his followers came to the rescue. As a Democrat, I can only hope this continues through 2024. That election is even tougher for Democrats.
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McConnell and others warned that the Trump choices were going to cost Senate seats.

The key is not which Republicans were supported. The issue is key seats that were at play. For many months, folks focused on several seats including AZ, PA and GA. There were candidates that would have had an easy time, especially in GA and PA. Insisting on Dr OZ and Walker was a great gift. In the end, Trump's leadership was so bad that the Red Wave was gone, and the Dems only needed one of these two seats.
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Georgia is a very Republican state. All the state office holders are Republican. Kemp opposed the president and still won by a landslide. His coattails would have pulled through any of a number of mediocre Republican senatorial candidates. Almost any candidate would have easily won the general, especially with the issue of limiting Democratic control in the Senate. Three issues: Inflation, Biden and Senate control. Only a really, really poor candidate, with the strong support of trump, could fail.

 

[Aldebaran]

More irrelevant than "very relevant" yes, you are technically correct. (The best kind of correct.)

Sure, only if you change what I actually said.
As a "Border Czar" who never visits the border, and has a boss who she can't get to do her job for her, and now isn't needed to be a tie-breaking vote, not to mention a 40% approval rating/54% disapproval rating, she's basically a non-factor. What does America think of Kamala Harris? Follow the latest polls

 

[Aldebaran]

Believe Trump and the far right or believe those who have run the Senate for decades. As a Democrat, given inflation and Biden's ratings, I knew just how bad this election could have been. But, as in 2020, Trump and his followers came to the rescue. As a Democrat, I can only hope this continues through 2024. That election is even tougher for Democrats.
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McConnell and other warned that the Trump choices were going to cost Senate seats.

The key is not which Republicans were supported. The issue is key seats that were at play. For many months, folks focused on several seats including AZ, PA and GA. There were candidates that would have had an easy time, especially in GA and PA. Insisting on Dr OZ and Walker was a great gift. In the end, Trump's leadership was so bad that the Red Wave was gone, and the Dems only needed one of these two seats.

How well did democrats manage to keep the House under their control?

 

[mark46]

How well did democrats manage to keep the House under their control?

You could check. i suspect that the Democrats lost fewer seats than any new president in the last 50 years.

That being said, Democratic leadership in CA has a lot to answer for, and to a lesser degree, leadership in NY. Those in swing states did remarkably well.

 

[stevil]

Believe Trump and the far right or believe those who have run the Senate for decades. As a Democrat, given inflation and Biden's ratings, I knew just how bad this election could have been. But, as in 2020, Trump and his followers came to the rescue. As a Democrat, I can only hope this continues through 2024. That election is even tougher for Democrats.

Absolutely. The 2022 midterms should have been a referendum on Biden and the state of the economy.

Instead D Trump injected himself into the equation and made it a referendum on D Trump and the Insurrection.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure, only if you change what I actually said.
As a "Border Czar" who never visits the border, and has a boss who she can't get to do her job for her, and now isn't needed to be a tie-breaking vote, not to mention a 40% approval rating/54% disapproval rating, she's basically a non-factor. What does America think of Kamala Harris? Follow the latest polls

See, here, I thought we were speaking of her roll breaking ties as the President of the Senate. What did I know.

With 51 Dems and 49 Reps, her tie breaker will only be needed if one Dem votes with the Reps on an issue (and the president disagrees) or 2 Dems are absent.

With the current configuration (for the next 4 weeks) any vote that strictly partisan and with no absences requires her to break the tie. She *is* less relevant in the Senate than before.

 

[Aldebaran]

You could check. i suspect that the Democrats lost fewer seats than any new president in the last 50 years.

That being said, Democratic leadership in CA has a lot to answer for, and to a lesser degree, leadership in NY. Those in swing states did remarkably well.

LOL! Ok, I'll answer the question for you. The democrats lost the majority in the House, which means the Republicans now control it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

LOL! Ok, I'll answer the question for you. The democrats lost the majority in the House, which means the Republicans now control it.

More Rs than Ds in the new House, yes. Control? We'll see. (I expect chaos.)

 

[Aldebaran]

More Rs than Ds in the new House, yes. Control? We'll see. (I expect chaos.)

Yeah, that's possible too. But the Republicans that were just voted in will have to take their actions into consideration if they want to remain there in 2024. Seems that the 2024 election cycle started the day after the 2022 election, so everyone is already in campaign mode. Republicans voting to support the democrats wouldn't be a good way to get started.

 

[mark46]

More Rs than Ds in the new House, yes. Control? We'll see. (I expect chaos.)

Chaos to be sure. Pelosi was able to control her extremist opposition.

It is not clear whether anyone can get 218 Republican votes.

And then he will need 218 when he wants to close down the government over the budget and debt ceiing.

 

[Aldebaran]

Chaos to be sure. Pelosi was able to control her extremist opposition.

It is not clear whether anyone can get 218 Republican votes.

And then he will need 218 when he wants to close down the government over the budget and debt ceiing.

It's weird to read people talk about how the voters vote for the person they want to represent them and their district, but then end up having someone like Pelosi controlling them.

 

[Vylo]

The votes the people cast in the election afterwards indicated they were pleased with this. That's democracy in action, and it didn't work out so well for the party that bears that word in its name. Time to move on now.

The people voted against them though. 3 million more people voted for hillary than Trump. 11 million more people voted for senate democrats than senate republicans.

 

[mark46]

It's weird to read people talk about how the voters vote for the person they want to represent them and their district, but then end up having someone like Pelosi controlling them.

With respect, you seem to have little understanding of how the House works. The Speaker needs to lead at least 218 votes to be effective.
Even Marjorie Green understands that (and supports McCarthy).

I welcome the spectacle of the fight for Speaker. Someone will need to herd cats and secure an agreement that 218 sign on to.