Ukraine: The End Game

[ValeriyK2022]

In Ukraine, literally simultaneously with the Russian strikes on the energy system of Ukraine with missiles, another misfortune occurred. Some representatives of the so-called Orthodox Church of Ukraine (primate Metropolitan Epiphany), together with some patriotic public organizations, bombarded law enforcement agencies with denunciations against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Primate Metropolitan Onufry). Searches were carried out in many churches and monasteries of the UOC (were looking for weapons, agents of enemy intelligence and other evidence of helping enemies). Almost 100% of the denunciations turned out to be false. But law enforcement agencies were forced to check them, since the accusations of collaborating with enemies during the war are very serious. But it have been given great anxiety and nervousness for the clergymen of the UOC . More than half of the soldiers who are now fighting with Russia are baptized in the UOC. Including many children of priests and parishioners of the UOC are fighting for the independence of Ukraine. And, perhaps, they are very offended when their fathers and mothers are unnerved in the rear on false denunciations. Perhaps this lowers the morale of the soldiers. Why this is done is not clear. The President and the Ukrainian state are trying to protect the UOC from an avalanche of false denunciations, but are under strong pressure from such public organizations and the media. It seems to me that this situation is very harmful to the defense capability of Ukraine. A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. This hurts no less than the lack of sufficient air defense to protect the Ukrainian energy system from massive Russian missile strikes.

The Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which the Russians periodically fire at, is the largest in Europe. If it explodes, then the Chernobyl accident will be child's toy (compared with this ). Europe and Turkey could be hit hard. Therefore, it is impossible to say that this war does not concern NATO countries.

 

[Andrewn]

The Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which the Russians periodically fire at, is the largest in Europe.

Who fires at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which is already under Russian control?

"Zaporizhzhia, in south-east Ukraine, is Europe’s largest nuclear power station and has been under Russian control since March, although its Ukrainian staff remain in place to run the facility. It has faced repeated shelling, raising fears of a nuclear disaster. Moscow and Kyiv have blamed each other for the attacks."

Shelling of Zaporizhzhia is playing with fire, says UN nuclear chief, as blasts reported

Explosions cause damage at Ukrainian power plant, as Kyiv says it will investigate videos allegedly of surrendering Russians being shot

www.theguardian.com

 

[Homeowner]

Who fires at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which is already under Russian control?

Could be either , could be both for various reasons. Doubt anyone really wants a nuclear catastrophe there since both claim it is their country.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Russia wins. I am surprised I'm the only one so far, wise enough to see this. Russia took Crimea. Now they own 4 more Ukrainian territories.

I am neither pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian. But Ukraine has no chance against Russia. It is too late for them to join NATO. They messed up and Russia took advantage of Zelensky's idiotic suicidal military strategy. Now lots of people died. Crimea should have been a lesson but unfortunately Ukraine learned nothing.

 

[Homeowner]

Russia took Crimea. Now they own 4 more Ukrainian territories.

Well taking Crimea is right. The owning of 4 more Ukrainian territories is neither factual nor judicial.

I think Ukraine took exactly the right lesson from losing Crimea. Namely that Russia could not be trusted, that Russia was ready to use military force and Ukraine was militarily totally unprepared for it followed by determination that Ukraine had better to start doing something about it before Russia decided to invade other parts of Ukraine.

So they did. Army ranked 2nd globally in 2021 attacked by surprise against army ranked 25th and 9 months later Russians are dying in droves on mudpits around Bakhmut. Not bad for underdog.

Whatever land gains Russia may get from this war pale to insignificance for what they had to pay for it. If they get any land gains. This could just as easily start the dissolution of Russia just like Afghan war contributed to dissolution of Soviet Union.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Well taking Crimea is right. The owning of 4 more Ukrainian territories is neither factual nor judicial.

I think Ukraine took exactly the right lesson from losing Crimea. Namely that Russia could not be trusted, that Russia was ready to use military force and Ukraine was militarily totally unprepared for it followed by determination that Ukraine had better to start doing something about it before Russia decided to invade other parts of Ukraine.

So they did. Army ranked 2nd globally in 2021 attacked by surprise against army ranked 25th and 9 months later Russians are dying in droves on mudpits around Bakhmut. Not bad for underdog.

Whatever land gains Russia may get from this war pale to insignificance for what they had to pay for it. If they get any land gains. This could just as easily start the dissolution of Russia just like Afghan war contributed to dissolution of Soviet Union.

If Ukraine "took exactly the right leasson from losing Crimea", Ukraine should have joined NATO after losing Crimea. Too late. And I do not expect they will recover those 4 territories either. Neither will they recover Crimea.

"Not bad for underdog", Ukraine has now lost a total of 5 territories.

"Dissolution of Russia"?! Please....lol.

 

[Homeowner]

If Ukraine "took exactly the right leasson from losing Crimea", Ukraine should have joined NATO after losing Crimea. Too late. And I do not expect they will recover those 4 territories either. Neither will they recover Crimea.

"Not bad for underdog", Ukraine has now lost a total of 5 territories.

"Dissolution of Russia"?! Please....lol.

Joining NATO is just tad more complicated than reserving a theater seat. Leaving aside the fact that every other NATO member has to vote and agree for taking a new member just the fact that Russia started their proxy war in Donbas after taking Crimea made the idea impossible since NATO does not accept members that are in conflict.

Lost 5 territories. Hmm. Interesting term lost. Ukraine had lost Kherson city and most of Kharkiv oblast. They are no longer "lost". Which other territories will change status in coming months. Guess we will see.

Dissolution of Russia is not that far fetched. Putin has broken the unwritten pact of not interfering with his subjects lives if they leave politics to him. Now hundreds of thousands of people flee, hide, fight and die in a war without end in sight. More bodies coming home, more bad news, more civil unrest, more civilian beat downs. What does it take to tip things over ? Some missiles to Crimean bridge, another Black sea fleet flagship turned to submarine, some Putin crony making a power play ?

How long will Dagestan or Tsetshenia endure Kremlin calling them up in disproportionate numbers compared to people in Moscow or ST. Petersburg. ? When will Tsethens get fed up and take up their indepence fight again if something happens to Kadyrov ?

There is very little to lol here. I guarantee nobody is laughing in Kremlin.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Guess we will see.

Yes we will

 

[Andrewn]

Yes we will

And we will happily continue paying for the cost of the war.

The Effect of the War in Ukraine on Global Activity and Inflation

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

www.federalreserve.gov

Ukraine War Is Driving Global Inflation. Here's How Much.

New research shows Russia's war is causing higher energy prices and weaker confidence in the economy, writes Corrado Macchiarelli.

www.barrons.com

From soaring food prices to social unrest, the fallout from the Russia-Ukraine war could be immense

As the war between Russia and Ukraine approaches its third month, the fallout is becoming clearer and the outlook does not look good.

www.cnbc.com

Russia's war at 6 months: A global economy in growing danger

MECKENHEIM, Germany (AP) — Martin Kopf needs natural gas to run his family's company, Zinkpower GmbH, which rustproofs steel components in western Germany. Zinkpower's facility outside Bonn uses gas to keep 600 tons of zinc worth 2.5 million euros ($2.5 million) in a molten state every day.

apnews.com

 

[Homeowner]

And we will happily continue paying for the cost of the war.

Just like people paid to the cost of war to get rid of The Third Reich. You can't unfortunately always choose what is best for you personally on short term and expect it to work out.

France and UK were silent when Germany broke treaties to rearm itself because cost of new war would have been too high and unpopular. They did nothing when Germany remilitarized Rhineland for same reasons, they chose appeasement when recently rearmed Germany demanded pieces of Czechoslovakia.

Every time Hitler grew more confident that Western powers would not do anything, every time he had new demands and new reasoning for his conquests. Until the war become inevitable and the price everyone would pay dwarfed anything that would have been necessary to pay if they had acted sooner.

Not to be obvious but it is easy to lament only the cost of war if you live in Canada. Those living in vicinity of Russia it is not just a matter of paying more for your groceries or electricity. It is the knowledge that one fine day some modern day Tsar can just declare you are all nazis and as it happens Russian armed forces on their spring training operation are luckily in hand to denazify your nation after which just and legal referendum will be held where people have a chance to join the loving embrace of Mother Russia with estimated 99,98 % of happy voters willing to do so.

How much are people being denazified willing to pay then ? Answer is just about anything but it is already too late.

 

[grasping the after wind]

It's for Ukraine to make this decision. It seems like their decision is to keep fighting until full victory is achieved.

Ukraine can only decide to do anything as long as the US and its allies continue to pour money into its coffers and with FTX no longer there ( perhaps as a money launderer?) giving money to Democratic Party campaigns that might no longer be as high a priority for the Biden administration.

 

[Nithavela]

Ukraine can only decide to do anything as long as the US and its allies continue to pour money into its coffers and with FTX no longer there ( perhaps as a money launderer?) giving money to Democratic Party campaigns that might no longer be as high a priority for the Biden administration.

Why only money launderer? They are obviously sacrificing the money to satan to summon the antichrist.

When you make up stuff, go hole hog.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Just like people paid to the cost of war to get rid of The Third Reich. You can't unfortunately always choose what is best for you personally on short term and expect it to work out.

France and UK were silent when Germany broke treaties to rearm itself because cost of new war would have been too high and unpopular. They did nothing when Germany remilitarized Rhineland for same reasons, they chose appeasement when recently rearmed Germany demanded pieces of Czechoslovakia.

Every time Hitler grew more confident that Western powers would not do anything, every time he had new demands and new reasoning for his conquests. Until the war become inevitable and the price everyone would pay dwarfed anything that would have been necessary to pay if they had acted sooner.

Not to be obvious but it is easy to lament only the cost of war if you live in Canada. Those living in vicinity of Russia it is not just a matter of paying more for your groceries or electricity. It is the knowledge that one fine day some modern day Tsar can just declare you are all nazis and as it happens Russian armed forces on their spring training operation are luckily in hand to denazify your nation after which just and legal referendum will be held where people have a chance to join the loving embrace of Mother Russia with estimated 99,98 % of happy voters willing to do so.

How much are people being denazified willing to pay then ? Answer is just about anything but it is already too late.

I agree. Somewhere in 2002-2003, Rossia chose the path for herself to follow the USSR. Russia wished to follow the USSR without a communist ideology, but in order to regain influence. As we remember from history, after the collapse of the Russian (in 1917) Empire, Ukraine, Poland and Finland separated from Russia.

In December 1917 - February 1918 on the territory of Ukraine, the Bolsheviks also proclaimed the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic and the Odessa Soviet Republic. On March 17-19, 1918, at the II Congress of Soviets, these Soviet republics (DKSR, OSR, UNRS) were merged into the Ukrainian Soviet Republic (USR) with its capital in Kharkov.

Bolshevik Russia then conquered most of Ukraine and moved the capital of the Ukrainian SSR to Kyiv.

Then she annexed Western Ukraine.

The USSR then took control of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, and East Germany.

This control was roughly from 1945 to 1990.

Russia is now trying to repeat this maneuver.

Totalitarian regimes (Stalin, Hitler) cannot be changed with the help of an internal revolution. Therefore, I do not believe that the Russians will rise to the revolution, no matter how bad it may be for them. But if Russia is squeezed out of Ukraine, then this alone will frustrate its plans to move to the West. And it is better not to delay this matter.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Who fires at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which is already under Russian control?

"Zaporizhzhia, in south-east Ukraine, is Europe’s largest nuclear power station and has been under Russian control since March, although its Ukrainian staff remain in place to run the facility. It has faced repeated shelling, raising fears of a nuclear disaster. Moscow and Kyiv have blamed each other for the attacks."

Shelling of Zaporizhzhia is playing with fire, says UN nuclear chief, as blasts reported

Explosions cause damage at Ukrainian power plant, as Kyiv says it will investigate videos allegedly of surrendering Russians being shot

www.theguardian.com

One of the news channels for Ukraine writes: "Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the President's Office, said that the shelling by the Russian invaders of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, where their own troops are located, has a specific goal.

"Why should Russia fire at itself at the ZNPP? Ru-propagandists pretend to be clowns. I explain: the Russian Federation is hitting the part of the nuclear power plant where the energy that feeds the south of Ukraine is accumulated. The goal is to disconnect us from the ZNPP and blame the Ukrainian army for this," the adviser to the head of the Presidential Office explained.

Another adviser to the head of the President's Office Oleksiy Arestovich believes that Russian infidels, by shelling the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, want to create a negotiating platform with Ukraine.

“As always, the Russian Federation will issue a large number of conflicting statements. And here the question is whether they will play to the point that they get where they don’t need to. It is absolutely obvious that this is an attempt to create a negotiating platform. They have been doing this for so long: they created the crisis of 2015 to create a negotiation situation, they acted like this in Europe. They act like terrorists," Arestovich stressed.


Photo: Associated Press
Russia, as always, lies about the shelling of nuclear power plants
Representatives of the aggressor state, as always, lie about the shelling of nuclear power plants. Russian diplomats even organized a meeting of the UN Security Council for this purpose in order to once again convey to the world their senile visions of the situation.

Russia's permanent representative to the UN Alexei Nebenzya cynically stated that "absurd and cynical accusations against Russia, picked up by the Western media," are heard at the conference.

"All this is done without any sense. The station is controlled by the RF Armed Forces. Elementary logic suggests that the Russian army will not shell either the city or themselves," the official said.

But as early as August 8, the commander of the Russian garrison at the Zaporizhzhya NPP stated that all important facilities there were mined, and the station "would be Russian or no one's." He added that the Russian military is "ready for the consequences of this step."

However, Western diplomats said that Russian infidels must immediately leave the nuclear power plant and the entire territory of Ukraine and not create nuclear threats.


Facebook ZNPP
What they say in Energoatom
Zaporozhye NPP on the morning of August 12 operates with the risk of violation of radiation and fire safety standards. As a result of the Russian attack on the Zaporizhzhya NPP, emergency protection went off at one of the power units - and one of the three power units is now offline.

A serious risk to the safe operation of the station was caused by periodic shelling of the Zaporizhzhya NPP by Russian troops from the MLRS last week, as well as more than 10 "arrivals" near the station and not far from the first power unit on August 11.

RUSSIANS OCCUPATED ZAPORIZHIA NPP FOR TWO REASONS
The Russians occupied the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant for two reasons
On August 14, the Ukrainian "Energoatom" reported that one of the power units was switched off due to shelling.

“Periodic shelling of Zaporizhia NPP by Russian troops from MLRS, starting from last week, entailed a serious risk for the safe operation of the plant. As a result of the attack on the Zaporizhzhya NPP, emergency protection worked at one of the power units - and one of the three operating power units is now off,” the statement says. in the message.

Will the Russians be able to bomb the nuclear power plant
The chairman of the board of the Oil and Gas Association of Ukraine, the general director of the Newfolk oil and gas consulting center, energy expert Andrey Zakrevskiy said that it is impossible to bomb the ZNPP, but it can be disabled.

THE RUSSIANS HAVE AGAIN AT THE ZAPORIZHIA NPP, WHO WILL STOP THE NUCLEAR TERROR
The Russians again arranged for the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, who will stop nuclear terror
Worse than Chernobyl: experts on the consequences of a possible explosion at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant
Experts believe that the consequences of the shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant may be worse than in Chernobyl."
Taken from here:

Обстріли Запорізької АЕС: якою буде радіація та що можна зробити, щоб не сталось вибуху

Російські окупанти постійно обстрілюють Запорізьку АЕС та місто Енергодар.

tsn.ua

 

[Andrewn]

Russian infidels

!!!

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Ukrainian children. No comment:

 

[ValeriyK2022]

!!!

I just quoted the channel, but I can't blame the journalist. Come visit us and see what the Russian military have done here. Will it be easier for you that I will be banned?

P.S. I know English a little and write through google translator and some words may be translated incorrectly. That's why I've given the link below so you can read the original. But I have noticed that Russia's friends have a great inclination to complain to the moderators.

 

[Homeowner]

Will it be easier for you that I will be banned?

It usually works that way yes.

 

[Nithavela]

I just quoted the channel, but I can't blame the journalist. Come visit us and see what the Russian military have done here. Will it be easier for you that I will be banned?

P.S. I know English a little and write through google translator and some words may be translated incorrectly. That's why I've given the link below so you can read the original. But I have noticed that Russia's friends have a great inclination to complain to the moderators.

I don't think you'll get banned for posting like you have in this thread. If you aren't sure, you can always ask a moderator for clarification before posting.

The rules here are harsh by internet standards when it comes to vulgarity or some contentious issues, but generally decisions are reasonable. You'll definetely get messages and warnings before a ban unless you fragrantly break the rules for trolling or spam purposes.

It makes for a bit of a learning curve, but leads to a good atmosphere.

 

[Andrewn]

Will it be easier for you that I will be banned?

When Orthodox Christians are described as "infidels," it is perhaps time for the moderators to decide an appropriate course of action.