Embracing New Covenant Theology as Your Only Means of Salvation

[Clare73]

Of course the Law of Moses doesn’t annul the covenant that Jesus Christ made with Abraham.
Jesus actually fulfilled His part of the blood letting of that blood covenant when He became flesh. The Lord appeared to Abraham and made covenant with him.
We are grafted into that Covenant in Christ and are a part of the Israel of God, having been grafted into the natural olive tree.


JLB

Unbelieving Israel has been cut off from that one olive tree of God's people with the NT Gentile church being grafted in (Romans 11:17, 19), where unbelieving Israel is no longer the people of God, and is on the same footing as the Gentiles; i.e., salvation is by faith in Jesus of Nazareth. . .and whose destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree, the NT church, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23).

 

[JLB777]

The Lord made two covenants with Abraham, not just one.

Please share the scripture you are referring to.

 

[JLB777]

Unbelieving Israel has been cut off from that one olive tree of God's people with the NT Gentile church being grafted in (Romans 11:17, 19), where unbelieving Israel is no longer the people of God,

Unbelieving (disobedient) Jews or Gentiles will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Abraham was a Gentile. The children of God have always been people of faith, (obedience; the obedience of faith).

If you are trying to promote Replacement Theology then don’t waste your time.





JLB

 

[JLB777]

Unbelieving Israel has been cut off from that one olive tree of God's people with the NT Gentile church being grafted in (Romans 11:17, 19), where unbelieving Israel is no longer the people of God, and is on the same footing as the Gentiles; i.e., salvation is by faith in Jesus of Nazareth. . .and whose destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree, the NT church, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23).

Once you understand the “Church” began with Abraham, the Bible will make more sense to you.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
Genesis 17:1

When you understand this was Jesus Christ who made covenant with Abram, the Bible will make more sense to you.


Now the LORD had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
So Abram departed as the LORD had spoken to him,…
Genesis 12:1-4


When you understand that this is where Abram obeyed the Gospel, the Bible will make more sense to you.


Hint: Abram “turned away” from his old life to “follow” (obey) the Lord, by faith.






JLB

 

[Clare73]

Unbelieving (disobedient) Jews or Gentiles will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Abraham was a Gentile. The children of God have always been people of faith, (obedience; the obedience of faith).

If you are trying to promote Replacement Theology then don’t waste your time.

Are you referring to Fulfillment Theology, where the OT is fulfilled in the NT? . . .

i.e., the sacrifices, priesthood, High Priest, the Mediator, the new covenant, the law (Romans 13:8-10),
faith instead of works (in salvation and justification--Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:21),
the indwelling of the promised Holy Spirit,
the one olive tree--the NT church being God's one people going back to Abraham (Romans 11:16),
the destiny of Israel, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief, to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people going all the way back to Abraham, the NT church, etc.,

that NT apostolic teaching, which is Fulfillment Theology?

 

[Clare73]

Once you understand the “Church” began with Abraham, the Bible will make more sense to you.
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
Genesis 17:1
When you understand this was Jesus Christ who made covenant with Abram, the Bible will make more sense to you.

I will understand it when you can present it from NT apostolic teaching.
"Almighty God" in the OT is YHWH, not the Son.

Now the LORD had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;

And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
So Abram departed as the LORD had spoken to him,…
Genesis 12:1-4

The LORD here being YHWH. (Check the editors of your Bible.)

When you understand that this is where Abram obeyed the Gospel, the Bible will make more sense to you.

The gospel preached to Abraham was that "All nations shall be blessed through you." (Galatians 3:8)

That is no command which he obeyed, that is a promise of the coming of Jesus Christ (Genesis 12:3), which he believed,
as he believed the promise of Christ in Genesis 15:5, by which faith he was justified and righteousness was imputed (reckoned, credited) to him (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3).

You are changing the basis of Abraham's righteousness/justification from faith to works (obedience).

Hint: Abram “turned away” from his old life to “follow” (obey) the Lord, by faith.

Nope. . .not according to NT apostolic teaching.

FACT: Abraham believed and it was imputed (credited) to him as righteousness/justification (Romans 4:2-3), as faith is likewise imputed to us as righteousness/justification (Romans 4:1-11).

Righteousness/justification is based on faith, not obedience (works). (Romans 3:28)
Time to move into the NT.

 

[ralliann]

Please share the scripture you are referring to.

Genesis 15 and Genesis 17
See also Galatians.

 

[BobRyan]

Unbelieving Israel has been cut off from that one olive tree of God's people with the NT Gentile church being grafted in (Romans 11:17, 19), where unbelieving Israel is no longer the people of God, and is on the same footing as the Gentiles; i.e., salvation is by faith in Jesus of Nazareth. . .and whose destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree, the NT church, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23).

True -

But of course "unbelieving Jews" would always have been cut off -- because there is only one Gospel according to Gal 1:6-7 and that Gospel was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8.

So it is always the one and only Gospel of "saved by grace through faith"

 

[Clare73]

True -

But of course "unbelieving Jews" would always have been cut off -- because there is only one Gospel according to Gal 1:6-7 and that Gospel was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8.

So it is always the one and only Gospel of "saved by grace through faith"

Keeping in mind that the gospel preached to Abraham was, "All nations will be blessed through you." (Galatians 3:8). It was the promise of Christ, whom they reject.

 

[BobRyan]

Keeping in mind that the gospel preached to Abraham was, "All nations will be blessed through you." (Galatians 3:8). It was the promise of Christ, whom they reject.

It was Christianity - the same as we see it today. That is the One Gospel - saved by grace through faith.

Moses and Elijah stand in glory WITH Christ in Matt 17 - BEFORE the cross even happens. All believers in the one and only Gospel.

Jesus said that Abraham was an eye witness of his life "Abraham SAW My day and rejoiced".

Just at Moses saw the week of creation - Abraham saw the life of Christ.

 

[WintersDust]

Before one can embrace New Covenant theology, they will have to renounce their Old Covenant theology of works, laws and religion. Under the New Covenant Christians are justified by faith alone, works, laws and religions have been abolished and count for nothing, Ephesians 2:15 also Colossians 2:14. This is one reason why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Living by faith does not include laws, works and religion.

Under the New Covenant Christians will be focused on Jesus Christ and his Gospel, because Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the Old Covenant. Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Without the law there cannot be an Old Covenant. All religions are based upon law. Where there is no law, there is no sin, Romans 4:15.

Under the New Covenant Jesus has ALREADY defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

Under the New Covenant, Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Under the New Covenant, Christians are new creations in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

Under the New Covenant, Christians are not subject to laws or rules, because there is no condemnation for those that are "In Christ" Romans 8:1. There is no condemnation because there are no laws.

Under the New Covenant, God sees his people as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. No laws, rules or religion needed.

Under the New Covenant, salvation is by grace (God's goodness) through faith, Ephesians 2:8. Plus nothing.

Many are living under the New Covenant, but they want to bring Old Covenant things with them, which is a perversion of New Covenant theology.

I agree. We are eternally irrevocably saved.
Our good work is the leading of Holy Spirit because we are saved. Not as a means of becoming nor retaining Salvation.

 

[JLB777]

Are you referring to Fulfillment Theology, where the OT is fulfilled in the NT? . . .

i.e., the sacrifices, priesthood, High Priest, the Mediator, the new covenant, the law (Romans 13:8-10),
faith instead of works (in salvation and justification--Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:21),
the indwelling of the promised Holy Spirit,
the one olive tree--the NT church being God's one people going back to Abraham (Romans 11:16),
the destiny of Israel, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief, to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people going all the way back to Abraham, the NT church, etc.,

that NT apostolic teaching, which is Fulfillment Theology?

Fulfillment Theology and Replacement Theology are just manmade terms.

I will understand it when you can present it from NT apostolic teaching.
"Almighty God" in the OT is YHWH, not the Son.

Almighty God is Almighty God whether in the New Testament or Old Testament, as He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.

words of Christ in red —

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Those in the Old Testament who saw and encountered God were seeing Jesus Christ, before He became flesh, not God the Father.

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18


It was Christ Jesus who spoke through the mouth of the prophets,

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Whenever an Old Testament prophet would say, “thus says the Lord” it was Christ Jesus the Son who was speaking.

Example:

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

• it was the Son who created the heavens and the earth.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


There is much more….




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Genesis 15 and Genesis 17
See also Galatians.

Sorry, but nothing in your response says the Lord made two covenants with Abraham.





JLB

 

[ralliann]

Sorry, but nothing in your response says the Lord made two covenants with Abraham.





JLB

The bible chapter/verses do!

 

[Clare73]

Fulfillment Theology and Replacement Theology are just manmade terms.
God is Almighty God whether in the New Testament or Old Testament, as He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
words of Christ in red —
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Those in the Old Testament who saw and encountered God were seeing Jesus Christ, before He became flesh, not God the Father.

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

It was Christ Jesus who spoke through the mouth of the prophets,

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Whenever an Old Testament prophet would say, “thus says the Lord” it was Christ Jesus the Son who was speaking.

Example:
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

• it was the Son who created the heavens and the earth.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
There is much more….

All three, not just two, persons of the Trinity are the Almighty, and the one God.

 

[JLB777]

The bible chapter/verses do!

Please post the Bible verses that say the Lord made two covenants with Abraham.

All you posted was a reference to some chapters in the Bible.


Very vague.

 

[JLB777]

All three, not just two, persons of the Trinity are the Almighty, and the one God.

All three persons of the Godhead are God.


Nevertheless when the Lord appeared to Abraham and Moses it was not God the Father, but the Son, Jesus Christ.



JLB

 

[ralliann]

Please post the Bible verses that say the Lord made two covenants with Abraham.

All you posted was a reference to some chapters in the Bible.


Very vague.

Not vague in the scriptures.
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;

You can read about them in Genesis 15, and Genesis 17 as Galatians teaches, and Hebrews speaks of as wills of inheritance being distinct to each.

 

[Clare73]

Please post the Bible verses that say the Lord made two covenants with Abraham.

All you posted was a reference to some chapters in the Bible.


Very vague.

Genesis 15:9-21 (covenant of unconditional land grant)

Genesis 17:7 (conditional covenant to be their God; conditions--"as for me" 17:4, "as for you" 17:9 )

 

[Clare73]

All three persons of the Godhead are God.

All three persons are the one Almighty God.

Nevertheless when the Lord appeared to Abraham and Moses it was not God the Father, but the Son, Jesus Christ.

Scripture presents that where?