Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[ICONO'CLAST]

Well this appears to contradict the scriptures I provided and you have not provided anything other than your opinion.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

I’m not sure how you think Jesus expecting His people to keep the Sabbath day decades after He ascended back to heaven helps your case in Matthew 24:20.

Unless you would like to provide scriptures to your posts, I may just bow out, it's hard to reason with opinions over God's Word because they are not on equal ground.

I am offering scripture which you are not processing.
Hint.
Jews who are outside of Christ cling to the ot.sabbath, in the flesh. It avails them nothing.
When you keep the 7th day, does it help you think of your exodus from Egypt?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am offering scripture which you are not processing.
Hint.
Jews who are outside of Christ cling to the ot.sabbath, in the flesh. It avails them nothing.
When you keep the 7th day, does it help you think of your exodus from Egypt?

I'm processing fine, but you seem to not quote much scriptures and trying to make an opinion as if it was equal to the Word of God.

Do you apply this reasoning to not worship other gods or bowing to false images and not take the Lord's name in vain. What about stealing, murder and coveting? These all came from the same covenant of Ten Exodus 34:28 written by the finger of God Exodus 31:18 I don't see the Sabbath as a standalone commandment despite the effort of many trying to make it one. What God placed together cannot be undone by man. Just like when God blesses something like He did with the Sabbath, man cannot reverse. Numbers 23:20

Just like God delivered His people from Egypt into the promise land , He delivers us from our sin and bondage. After all He has done for us, He asks If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Anyway, its all the time I have for now. Take care.

 

[Leaf473]

Did they pack themselves into the small synagogue or come together in a large venue, such as a large courtyard?

Good observation! The synagogue probably wasn't nearly large enough to hold the entire city... There wouldn't have been any reason for it to be that big, if enclosed structures could even be built that size at that time.

 

[Icyspark]

Again, your statement is not something found in the scriptures.

Are you implying that the apostle's are unsaved since they met every Sabbath to preach the Word of God? Same with Jesus? Luke 4:16

Perhaps you missed that both Jews, and Gentiles met to hear God's Word on the Sabbath and whole cities.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
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Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Hi SabbathBlessings,

The biblical evidence for the continuity for the Sabbath in the New Testament should be powerfully convincing to everyone unless they are already holding preconceived ideas based on tradition and majority opinion. The mere fact that the Gentiles begged Paul to preach to them on the next Sabbath should be enough to jolt critics of the Sabbath out of their lethargy to acknowledge that there's something profoundly wrong with their position of denial.

May God continue to bless you!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Leaf473]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

The biblical evidence for the continuity for the Sabbath in the New Testament should be powerfully convincing to everyone unless they are already holding preconceived ideas based on tradition and majority opinion. The mere fact that the Gentiles begged Paul to preach to them on the next Sabbath should be enough to jolt critics of the Sabbath out of their lethargy to acknowledge that there's something profoundly wrong with their position of denial.

May God continue to bless you!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Hi cyspark,

I think we all have preconceived ideas.

No one here is interested in talking about this so far Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

 

[Icyspark]

Hi cyspark,

I think we all have preconceived ideas.

No one here is interested in talking about this so far Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

Hi Leaf473,

Feel free to tell me why you think this has any bearing on the discussion of the Sabbath.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

Feel free to tell me why you think this has any bearing on the discussion of the Sabbath.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

The thinking often goes like this:

Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should go to the synagogue (or church) on the Sabbath.

Following that same thinking:
Paul hurried to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should try to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.

Most Christians disagree with that second conclusion, except for maybe a few Messianics.

My solution is that Paul didn't mean to do everything that he did. So examples of Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath don't necessarily mean that we go to the synagogue on the Sabbath.

Peace be with you always!

 

[bbbbbbb]

The thinking often goes like this:

Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should go to the synagogue (or church) on the Sabbath.

Following that same thinking:
Paul hurried to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should try to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.

Most Christians disagree with that second conclusion, except for maybe a few Messianics.

My solution is that Paul didn't mean to do everything that he did. So examples of Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath don't necessarily mean that we go to the synagogue on the Sabbath.

Peace be with you always!

I think if I showed up at the local synagogue on some Friday evening (the service is on Friday evening, not Saturday) they would be none too pleased to have me barging into their meeting.

 

[Leaf473]

I think if I showed up at the local synagogue on some Friday evening (the service is on Friday evening, not Saturday) they would be none too pleased to have me barging into their meeting.

Yes, I think many Jews today go on Friday evening because we now have cars and electric lights.

In the Greco-Roman world, once the sun went down, it was dark. No street lights. So they probably met the morning of the Sabbath.

And true, Christians today aren't generally invited to expound on the scriptures in synagogues

Just my two cents

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes, I think many Jews today go on Friday evening because we now have cars and electric lights.

In the Greco-Roman world, once the sun went down, it was dark. No street lights. So they probably met the morning of the Sabbath.

And true, Christians today aren't generally invited to expound on the scriptures in synagogues

Just my two cents

Thanks!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

The biblical evidence for the continuity for the Sabbath in the New Testament should be powerfully convincing to everyone unless they are already holding preconceived ideas based on tradition and majority opinion. The mere fact that the Gentiles begged Paul to preach to them on the next Sabbath should be enough to jolt critics of the Sabbath out of their lethargy to acknowledge that there's something profoundly wrong with their position of denial.

May God continue to bless you!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Yes, I agree. The amount of evidence of Sabbath-keeping in both New and Old Testament is overwhelming. Even if God only told us once to keep the Sabbath holy, should be enough for us to obey Him, yet alone the over 150+ scriptures we have on the Sabbath in God’s Word.

Thanks for all your thoughtful posts, hopefully others get as much from them as I do.

God bless!

 

[Icyspark]

The thinking often goes like this:

Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should go to the synagogue (or church) on the Sabbath.

Following that same thinking:
Paul hurried to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.
He told us to follow his example.
Therefore we should try to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.

Most Christians disagree with that second conclusion, except for maybe a few Messianics.

My solution is that Paul didn't mean to do everything that he did. So examples of Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath don't necessarily mean that we go to the synagogue on the Sabbath.

Peace be with you always!

Hi Leaf473,

Let me see if I can untangle this premise for you.

Paul indicates that his readers should follow his example. Does Paul mean to follow his example in things of the secular mundane type, or rather of the spiritual and moral type? It would be absurd to conclude that Christians should follow his example of using an amanuensis to write a letter or that we should all write and/or speak in Koine Greek. I find that these kinds of excuses only arise when not very many options for cogent rebuttals are available to the critics. Paul didn't have a custom of sailing past Ephesus
that he might not have to spend time in Asia. So to elevate this random occurrence to the same level as his regular observance of the Sabbath is absolutely not in the realm of reality. Then too he says to follow his example as he follows the example of Christ. I doubt that Christ was ever minutely concerned about sailing past Ephesus in order to spend time in Asia. Do you not see how nonsensical your premise is? Jesus did however also have a regular habit of Sabbath observance. Do you not see how Paul's example of Sabbath observes emulates Jesus's example of Sabbath observance. It's really quite simple and easily understood if one is not embracing any and every theory anyone espouses in order to forget the one command we're told to remember. Ironic huh?

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.​

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi Leaf473,

Let me see if I can untangle this premise for you.

Paul indicates that his readers should follow his example. Does Paul mean to follow his example in things of the secular mundane type, or rather of the spiritual and moral type? It would be absurd to conclude that Christians should follow his example of using an amanuensis to write a letter or that we should all write and/or speak in Koine Greek. I find that these kinds of excuses only arise when not very many options for cogent rebuttals are available to the critics. Paul didn't have a custom of sailing past Ephesus
that he might not have to spend time in Asia. So to elevate this random occurrence to the same level as his regular observance of the Sabbath is absolutely not in the realm of reality. Then too he says to follow his example as he follows the example of Christ. I doubt that Christ was ever minutely concerned about sailing past Ephesus in order to spend time in Asia. Do you not see how nonsensical your premise is? Jesus did however also have a regular habit of Sabbath observance. Do you not see how Paul's example of Sabbath observes emulates Jesus's example of Sabbath observance. It's really quite simple and easily understood if one is not embracing any and every theory anyone espouses in order to forget the one command we're told to remember. Ironic huh?

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.​

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

These kind of nonsensical arguments reminds me of this promise in scripture:

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

I pray for us all to endure the sound doctrine of God’s Word.

 

[Leaf473]

Paul didn't have a custom of sailing past Ephesus
that he might not have to spend time in Asia.

The scripture tells us why he did not want to spend extra time in Asia.
Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

He was trying to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost. Sounds like something related to spiritual things to me.

The Peace of the Lord be with you always!

 

[Leaf473]

Big picture, I agree with going with the sound doctrine in all of God's word. That includes having the same standard for the laws that people don't frequently talk about.

Leviticus 19
You shall not glean your vineyard, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

The same God that said Remember the Sabbath also said that.

 

[Icyspark]

The scripture tells us why he did not want to spend extra time in Asia.
Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

He was trying to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost. Sounds like something related to spiritual things to me.

The Peace of the Lord be with you always!

Hi Leaf473,

Was it Paul's custom to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia? Not just doubtful but super-silly-ously unlikely. Why do you cling to eating things which are not bread? Let the Bible read in its normative sense and stop trying to impose your will upon it in order to forget God's command to remember.

That you elevate your dubious imaginations of an apparently singular experience of Paul to misinterpret his plain meaning of following his example as he follows the example of Christ is revealing of what lengths critics must go to fabricate an unbiblical reality.

Let's try this. Why don't you try to formulate an explanation of what example Paul had in mind which Christians are to follow him as he follows the example of Christ?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Icyspark]

The scripture tells us why he did not want to spend extra time in Asia.
Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

He was trying to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost. Sounds like something related to spiritual things to me.

The Peace of the Lord be with you always!

Hi Leaf473,

I think if you took a moment to think about these things that you might better understand what you so confidently affirm.

The end result of Paul's travel would have a spiritual aspect to it. The sailing and hastening were necessary only for that particular time and that particular event. He happened to be in a certain part of the world with the goal of getting to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. He certainly didn't find himself in that situation on any regular basis. Thus to suggest we should follow his example of sailing past Ephesus to spend time in Asia is simply ludicrous. That obviously wasn't his intent. You know it so why do you insist on hanging on to this dead albatross?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

Was it Paul's custom to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia? Not just doubtful but super-silly-ously unlikely. Why do you cling to eating things which are not bread? Let the Bible read in its normative sense and stop trying to impose your will upon it in order to forget God's command to remember.

That you elevate your dubious imaginations of an apparently singular experience of Paul to misinterpret his plain meaning of following his example as he follows the example of Christ is revealing of what lengths critics must go to fabricate an unbiblical reality.

Let's try this. Why don't you try to formulate an explanation of what example Paul had in mind which Christians are to follow him as he follows the example of Christ?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Hi cyspark,
The point wasn't sailing past Ephesus, it was hurrying to Jerusalem to be there in time for Pentecost.

A good example of how Paul lived that we should follow is considering other people more important than himself.

1 Corinthians 14
However in the assembly I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I might instruct others also, than ten thousand words in another language.

Peace be with you always!

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

I think if you took a moment to think about these things that you might better understand what you so confidently affirm.

The end result of Paul's travel would have a spiritual aspect to it. The sailing and hastening were necessary only for that particular time and that particular event. He happened to be in a certain part of the world with the goal of getting to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. He certainly didn't find himself in that situation on any regular basis. Thus to suggest we should follow his example of sailing past Ephesus to spend time in Asia is simply ludicrous. That obviously wasn't his intent. You know it so why do you insist on hanging on to this dead albatross?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Acts 20
For he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

Peace be with you!

 

[Icyspark]

These kind of nonsensical arguments reminds me of this promise in scripture:

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

I pray for us all to endure the sound doctrine of God’s Word.

Hi SabbathBlessings,

This quote below came to my mind when discussing with another poster on this thread. I caught him in two blatant errors. Instead of acknowledging the errors he just restated them and set them back out again

While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light. 2 MCP 672.2​

People are tenacious in clinging to their doubts. Even should you be able to get them to release one hook of doubt they immediately put up 3 more.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark