Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[Bob S]

God did not give us a commandment that says don’t have to keep now, just wait until heaven. Just like we should not murder now, or worship other gods now. The test is now, there is no third chance.

Hi SB, please show us where in all of scripture where it tells Gentiles we must observe the Sabbath. You keep writing "us" when referring to Sabbath observance. When did it become us? We have shown you where it ended for the Jews, but because of your preconceived beliefs you have not addressed those verses and instead refer to us as to the keeping of God's commands of which you have not been able to define what commands are included in God's commands. It seems like you are referring to the ten commands and yet you also believe it is the tithing rules and food from animals and not all the other commands God gave only to Israel. What and who has given you the authority to pick and choose which commands you keep?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi SB, please show us where in all of scripture where it tells Gentiles we must observe the Sabbath. You keep writing "us" when referring to Sabbath observance. When did it become us? We have shown you where it ended for the Jews, but because of your preconceived beliefs you have not addressed those verses and instead refer to us as to the keeping of God's commands of which you have not been able to define what commands are included in God's commands. It seems like you are referring to the ten commands and yet you also believe it is the tithing rules and food from animals and not all the other commands God gave only to Israel. What and who has given you the authority to pick and choose which commands you keep?

The better question to ask yourself is where is the scripture that says we can break a commandment of God? There is no such scripture in the entire bible and the saints keep God's commandments until the very end of time. Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17 Revelation 22:14-15

Love to God is keeping His commandments 1 John 5:3 and there is no Jew or Gentile if one is in Christ, just God's people. Hebrews 8:10, Galatians 3:26-29 God identifies His people as Sabbath-keepers. Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20

Have a good day.

 

[Cornelius8L]

God did not give us a commandment that says we don’t have to keep now, just wait until heaven. Just like we should not murder now, or worship other gods now. The test is now, there is no third chance.

Matthew 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.​

We keep the commandment the way it should be kept in heaven, where we do not hate our brothers or worship other gods on earth as it is in heaven.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Luke 17:21 …for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”​

*In heaven, there is only one eternal day. There is no evening to welcome the next morning like how Genesis 1 prescribed day change.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matthew 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.​

We keep the commandment the way it should be kept in heaven, where we do not hate our brothers or worship other gods on earth as it is in heaven.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Luke 17:21 …for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”​

*In heaven, there is only one eternal day. There is no evening to welcome the next morning like how Genesis 1 prescribed day change.

That doesn't mean we won't keep Sabbath in heaven Isaiah 66:22-23 or can't keep the Sabbath holy now like God commanded us on the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11. Like I said we will not come to any agreement on scripture and too many things out of context to have any type of meaningful conversation. I am going to respectfully bow out and you take care.

 

[Cornelius8L]

That doesn't mean we won't keep Sabbath in heaven Isaiah 66:22-23 or can't keep the Sabbath now like God commanded us Exodus 20:8-11. Like I said we will not come to any agreement on scripture and too many things out of context to have any type of meaningful conversation. I am going to respectfully bow out and you take care.

I say we observe the sabbath on earth as it is in heaven every day because there is only “Today” in heaven. I did not propose that we not keep it. You, on the other hand, accuse us of not keeping it. This scripture explains the situation perfectly, “But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated Me without reason.’ (John 15:25)”

 

[Bob S]

The better question to ask yourself is where is the scripture that says we can break a commandment of God?

New moons, feast days, tassels, unclean touching and so many more commandments that I presume you have no intention of keeping, so who are you to tell me I am going to Hell if I don't keep the ones you prescribe???

There is no such scripture in the entire bible and the saints keep God's commandments until the very end of time. Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17 Revelation 22:14-15

Since you do not keep all of the commandments, according to your formula, do you consider yourself a saint according to the definition found in scripture?

Love to God is keeping His commandments 1 John 5:3 and there is no Jew or Gentile if one is in Christ, just God's people. Hebrews 8:10, Galatians 3:26-29 God identifies His people as Sabbath-keepers. Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20

Why are we all neither Jew or Gentile? In Eph 2:15 Paul tells us it is because Jesus did away with the barrier, the laws He gave to Israel.

Why do you try to answer my questions with a question? That is so very frustrating and a poor way to debate. If you cannot answer the questions, would it be so hard just to admit you do not know?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

New moons, feast days, tassels, unclean touching and so many more commandments that I presume you have no intention of keeping, so who are you to tell me I am going to Hell if I don't keep the ones you prescribe???


Since you do not keep all of the commandments, according to your formula, do you consider yourself a saint according to the definition found in scripture?


Why are we all neither Jew or Gentile? In Eph 2:15 Paul tells us it is because Jesus did away with the barrier, the laws He gave to Israel.

Why do you try to answer my questions with a question? That is so very frustrating and a poor way to debate. If you cannot answer the questions, would it be so hard just to admit you do not know?

Why do you keep adding to my words- I never said anyone was going to hell, that is not for me to decide, but I trust God will judge everyone righteously and we will all be judged by the Ten Commandments according to the scriptures James 2:10-12. The laws in Eph 2:15 are ordinances, not the commandments, so not talking about God's Ten

Here are the Ten Commandments, feast days, tassels are not part of the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Thats all the time I have for now, take care.

 

[Doran]

Hi SB, please show us where in all of scripture where it tells Gentiles we must observe the Sabbath. You keep writing "us" when referring to Sabbath observance. When did it become us? We have shown you where it ended for the Jews, but because of your preconceived beliefs you have not addressed those verses and instead refer to us as to the keeping of God's commands of which you have not been able to define what commands are included in God's commands. It seems like you are referring to the ten commands and yet you also believe it is the tithing rules and food from animals and not all the other commands God gave only to Israel. What and who has given you the authority to pick and choose which commands you keep?

(emphasis mine)

Or even more accurately it ended with the demise of the Old Covenant in 70 A.D. -- along with all the other laws of the ceremonial genre. And this truth is borne out by the fact that there is no imperative command in post-resurrection NT scriptures to requires sabbath keeping.

 

[Bob S]

Why do you keep adding to my words- I never said anyone was going to hell, that is not for me to decide, but I trust God will judge everyone righteously and we will all be judged by the Ten Commandments according to the scriptures James 2:10-12. The laws in Eph 2:15 are ordinances, not the commandments, so not talking about God's Ten

Here are the Ten Commandments, feast days, tassels are not part of the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Thats all the time I have for now, take care.

So, SB, you have taken it upon yourself to determine what "God's commandments" are. That is interesting. How did you come to the conclusion that God's commandments are JUST the ten. Why does your church teach unclean meat laws then? Why does your church teach modified false tithing from the Old Testament? Since you are teaching that God's commandments are just the ten, the commandments to love God and the one to love our fellow man are not a requirement??? Since there is no command in the ten about homosexuality, I suppose you must think it to be okay with God??? What about the myriad of other sins not listed in the ten. I don't know about anyone else, but I surely do not believe what you are teaching.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, SB, you have taken it upon yourself to determine what "God's commandments" are. That is interesting. How did you come to the conclusion that God's commandments are JUST the ten. Why does your church teach unclean meat laws then? Why does your church teach modified false tithing from the Old Testament? Since you are teaching that God's commandments are just the ten, the commandments to love God and the one to love our fellow man are not a requirement??? Since there is no command in the ten about homosexuality, I suppose you must think it to be okay with God??? What about the myriad of other sins not listed in the ten. I don't know about anyone else, but I surely do not believe what you are teaching.

If one loves God and their fellow man, they would be keeping the commandments of God, not breaking them. You can't keep the greatest commandment to love God with all of our heart mind and soul by breaking His commandments. 1 John 5:3

I never said there were no other laws in scriptures. God identifies His commandments right in the Ten, so if you don't think the Ten are included in His commandments, you need to take that up with Him because He seemed to indicate otherwise.

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

 

[Doran]

If one loves God and their fellow man, they would be keeping the commandments of God, not breaking them. You can't keep the greatest commandment to love God with all of our heart mind and soul by breaking His commandments. 1 John 5:3

I never said there were no other laws in scriptures. God identifies His commandments right in the Ten, so if you don't think the Ten are included in His commandments, you need to take that up with Him because He seemed to indicate otherwise.

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

YIKES! It's you who keeps harping on the 10 commandments to the exclusion of others, as Bob rightly pointed out.

Also, Jesus never said that everyone will be judged by the Decalogue. He did say, however, that everyone will be judged by the Word of God, which is whole lot broader than just the Decalogue (Jn 12:48). Therefore, "God identifies his commandments" in the Word of Truth, i.e. the whole counsel of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

YIKES! It's you who keeps harping on the 10 commandments to the exclusion of others, as Bob rightly pointed out.

Also, Jesus never said that everyone will be judged by the Decalogue. He did say, however, that everyone will be judged by the Word of God, which is whole lot broader than just the Decalogue (Jn 12:48). Therefore, "God identifies his commandments" in the Word of Truth, i.e. the whole counsel of God.

Please quote me ever saying that we only have to keep the Ten Commandments and nothing else. If you can’t quote me saying this, than I would kindly ask you not to make statements that are not true. Just like I have never said we will only be judged by the Ten Commandments, but it is something according to scripture we will be judged by. James 2:10-12. Jesus also told us that if we want to enter into life to keep the commandments and quotes directly from the Ten. Matthew 19:17-19 and those who keep the least of the commandments again quoting from the Ten will be least in heaven. Matthew 5:19 Obviously the Ten Commandments are important to Jesus, so they should be important to us, just like all of His Word.

 

[Leaf473]

Please quote me ever saying that we only have to keep the Ten Commandments and nothing else. If you can’t quote me saying this, than I would kindly ask you not to make statements that are not true. Just like I have never said we will only be judged by the Ten Commandments, but it is something according to scripture we will be judged by. James 2:10-12. Jesus also told us that if we want to enter into life to keep the commandments and quotes directly from the Ten. Matthew 19:17-19 and those who keep the least of the commandments again quoting from the Ten will be least in heaven. Matthew 5:19 Obviously the Ten Commandments are important to Jesus, so they should be important to us, just like all of His Word.

That's true you never stated that we have to keep only the 10. But I believe that is implied in post #1347, which I suspect is what @Bob S and @Doran were picking up on.

Are you willing to state what laws we will be judged by?

The Peace of the Lord be always with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's true you never stated that we have to keep only the 10. But I believe that is implied in post #1347, which I suspect is what @Bob S and @Doran were picking up on.

Are you willing to state what laws we will be judged by?

The Peace of the Lord be always with you!

Never implied, just what was read into.

However, if one is truly keeping the Ten Commandments, they would doing everything God has asked of us.

For example the heath message, if one did not put any other gods above God, they would never eat foods that God deemed unclean to eat.

 

[Leaf473]

Never implied, just what was read into.

However, if one is truly keeping the Ten Commandments, they would doing everything God has asked of us.

For example the heath message, if one did not put any other gods above God, they would never eat foods that God deemed unclean to eat.

Yes, when we see an implication, we are reading something into what is stated.

A used car salesman says that a car was driven by a little old lady once a week to get groceries. He implies that's the only time it was driven. He doesn't mention that her teenage grandson raced it the rest of the time

So if you want to go ahead and state the rest of what God asks of us from the law of Moses, that would be great!

It relates to the thread topic because the same logic used by many sabbatarians to show that we should keep the Sabbath would apply to the rest of the law of Moses as well.

If it's too many to list all at once, you could start here

New moons, feast days, tassels, unclean touching...

(And sure, if you feel it's off topic for this thread, you can answer on a different thread, if you wish.)

The Peace of the Lord we always with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, when we see an implication, we are reading something into what is stated.

A used car salesman says that a car was driven by a little old lady once a week to get groceries. He implies that's the only time it was driven. He doesn't mention that her teenage grandson raced it the rest of the time.

So if you want to go ahead and state the rest of what God asks of us from the law of Moses, that would be great!

It relates to the thread topic because the same logic used by many sabbatarians to show that we should keep the Sabbath would apply to the rest of the law of Moses as well.

If it's too many to list all at once, you could start here


(And sure, if you feel it's off topic for this thread, you can answer on a different thread, if you wish.)

The Peace of the Lord we always with you!

Leaf I’m good. We have been down this road too times and it always ends up in the same place, you trying to find some law that you think means we don’t have to keep the Ten Commandments. I am not the one you need to convince.

Have a great day and God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

Leaf I’m good. We have been down this road too times and it always ends up in the same place, you trying to find some law that you think means we don’t have to keep the Ten Commandments. I am not the one you need to convince.

Have a great day and God bless.

I'm not trying to find a law that means we don't have to keep the 10, I'm showing how the partial law theology put forward by many sabbatarians doesn't hold up with the rest of the scriptures.

It's a discussion forum, so if you want to discuss the topic, cool!

The Peace of the Lord be always with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not trying to find a law that means we don't have to keep the 10, I'm showing how the partial law theology put forward by many sabbatarians doesn't hold up with the rest of the scriptures.

It's a discussion forum, so if you want to discuss the topic, cool!

The Peace of the Lord be always with you!

As I have stated multiple times, if we can’t agree or get past the Ten, we probably won’t agree on the other laws. After years of discussion we have never agreed on the Ten, so discussing other laws is pointless. But if you feel you can judge a whole denomination- I will leave that between you and God as well. Take care

 

[Leaf473]

As I have stated multiple times, if we can’t agree on the Ten, we probably won’t agree on the other laws. Take care

What usually isn't the case?

I enjoy discussing the law with my Christian brothers and sisters. And Yes, sometimes I lose sight of that "discussion" aspect

If you would like to continue discussing, cool! If not, then the Peace of the Lord be always with you!

 

[Doran]

Please quote me ever saying that we only have to keep the Ten Commandments and nothing else. If you can’t quote me saying this, than I would kindly ask you not to make statements that are not true. Just like I have never said we will only be judged by the Ten Commandments, but it is something according to scripture we will be judged by. James 2:10-12. Jesus also told us that if we want to enter into life to keep the commandments and quotes directly from the Ten. Matthew 19:17-19 and those who keep the least of the commandments again quoting from the Ten will be least in heaven. Matthew 5:19 Obviously the Ten Commandments are important to Jesus, so they should be important to us, just like all of His Word.

You're always harping on how the 10 commandments are etched in stone, written by the finger of God, given a prominent place in the Ark of the Covenant, etc., etc. Yet...because you refuse to understand scriptures in their context you forget important items, such as what Jesus said where the two greatest commandments upon which all the OT scriptures turn, i.e. the Law and the Prophets. And you forget that Paul did not place himself under the old covenant of Law but rather under the Law of Christ. And perhaps you have even forgot that keeping the Law of Moses cannot save anyone!

And, yes, the 10 commandments were very important to Jesus. They were so important to him that he came into this dark, forlorn world under the Law so that he could do something none of us can do: Keep God's commandments perfectly 24/7. Only he fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.