Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[SabbathBlessings]

But the sabbath is logically inferred! Again, I ask: Since you're a sabbatarian, do you not consider or esteem the weekly sabbath to be a special or sacred day? Or is the sabbath to you just like every other day? If the latter, why do you make such big deal of the weekly sabbath? But if it's the former, then Paul's words in Rom 14:5 apply perfectly to people like you...and to people like myself, since I hold to a contrary position on this issue.

God personally wrote His commandments, it was a spectacle, He made His commandments so easy to understand a child could read and understand the meanings. They were clearly written by God's own finger, clearly spoken by God's own voice, if one of the Ten Commandments was going to be erased, especially the only commandment God said "REMEMBER" and uses the words holy and blessed- the one where God said is a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20, if this commandment was going to be "removed" there would be clear scripture saying so. Again Romans 14 in context is about food, faith and judging and nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment that GOD esteemed over all other days, which is why the Sabbath will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship forever Isaiah 66:22-23

I'm not the one you will need to convince because I am not the one we have to answer to. I share the scriptures out of love, but we will probably need to agree to disagree and that's okay. This will get sorted out soon enough.

 

[Doran]

According to God, the seventh day is the Sabbath...

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath to the Lord your God.

Lets go to the very beginning at Creation...

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Lets compare this to the 4th commandment:

Exodus 20:8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


The first word is "remember" that's because it is something that already happened at creation and vs 11 brings us right back to creation in which the seventh day was set apart for holy use right at creation.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27

Man was created in the image of God on the sixth day right before the first Sabbath, celebrated in the presence of God. Sin separated man from God, but once Jesus returns man will once again worship the Lord every Sabbath in His presence Isaiah 66:22-23 the way God always intended. Until than we are to keep His Sabbath holy per the commandment of God through His Spirit, on His holy Sabbath day.

Your disagreement about God's holy Sabbath day is not really with me, I'm not the one that needs to be convinced why this commandment should be forgotten, when God told us to Remember.

You're assuming that the command to "remember" is harking directly back to the Creation account. It's much more likely that God told the Israelites to remember what they were taught in the wilderness in Exodus 16 and the foundational reason for that lesson.

 

[Doran]

God personally wrote His commandments, it was a spectacle, He made His commandments so easy to understand a child could read and understand the meanings. They were clearly written by God's own finger, clearly spoken by God's own voice, if one of the Ten Commandments was going to be erased, especially the only commandment God said "REMEMBER" and uses the words holy and blessed- the one where God said is a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20, if this commandment was going to be "removed" there would be clear scripture saying so. Again Romans 14 in context is about food, faith and judging and nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment that GOD esteemed over all other days, which is why the Sabbath will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship forever Isaiah 66:22-23

I'm not the one you will need to convince because I am not the one we have to answer to. I share the scriptures out of love, but we will probably need to agree to disagree and that's okay. This will get sorted out soon enough.

You didn't answer my question that I asked in 1179. Paul certainly had some special days in mind when he wrote that passage. The question again is this: Do you esteem the weekly sabbath to be special or sacred over the other days of the week? This is a simple yes or no question.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You didn't answer my question that I asked in 1179. Paul certainly had some special days in mind when he wrote that passage. The question again is this: Do you esteem the weekly sabbath to be special or sacred over the other days of the week? This is a simple yes or no question.

It doesn’t matter what I think, I go by God-made rules, not man-made rules. God only deemed the seventh day as His holy Sabbath day. Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 20:8-11 All other days are working days according to God. Exodus 20:9. Romans 14 has to do with the annual holy feast days that is the context and not one of the commandments of God, which is why the the Sabbath commandment is completely missing from that passage. If a commandment was going to be changed/deleted/altered it would be crystal clear in scripture just the way God made it. The Ten Commandments are a unit of Ten that God placed together and man cannot change, alter, delete, remove no matter how hard they try. God’s Ten Commandments are eternal and is part of God’s Heavenly Sanctuary law Revelation 11:19. I don’t think God is going to be okay when Sabbath worship comes around for those saved only to be told, no we don’t do Sabbath worship, we choose our own day. We are the creation God is the Creator and if He commanded us to keep Tuesday holy who are we to say otherwise. God choose the seventh day from the very beginning Genesis 2:1-3 and He never changed His mind on His holy Sabbath commandment to mankind. Isaiah 66:22-23

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You're assuming that the command to "remember" is harking directly back to the Creation account. It's much more likely that God told the Israelites to remember what they were taught in the wilderness in Exodus 16 and the foundational reason for that lesson.

The context is right there in verse 11 which brings us back to creation. The seventh day is the Sabbath which is why in all the old languages Saturday means Sabbath, which is exactly what God said, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10.

 

[Doran]

It doesn’t matter what I think, I go by God-made rules, not man-made rules. God only deemed the seventh day as His holy Sabbath day. Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 20:8-11 All other days are working days according to God. Exodus 20:9. Romans 14 has to do with the annual holy feast days that is the context of Romans 14 and not one of the commandments of God, which is the the Sabbath commandments is completely missing from that passage.

Why can't you answer an honest and simple question? Are we to believe that a staunch sabbatarian apologist like yourself does not consider the weekly sabbath to be a special, sacred day over the other six?

Also, where in Romans 14 does it specifically qualify v.5 to mean only the "annual holy feast days"?

Thirdly, how are "annual holy feast days" mandated under the Law of Moses any different than the weekly sabbath in the 4th commandment, since both of these kinds of sabbaths are identical in nature in that both are ceremonial-ritualistic laws, as both point to something greater and the 4th commandment was also a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, which also distinguishes it from "moral" laws?

 

[Doran]

The context is right there in verse 11 which brings us back to creation. The seventh day is the Sabbath which is why in all the old languages Saturday means Sabbath, which is exactly what God said, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10.

And so is Exodus 16 "right there" in the larger context. The Israelites had already been exposed to sabbath requirements, so all Moses is doing is reminding them what they had already been taught in the wilderness, codifying it and giving them the foundational reason for the commandment. Moses is not telling them to remember the creation account. He's telling them to remember their experience in the wilderness.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why can't you answer an honest and simple question? Are we to believe that a staunch sabbatarian apologist like yourself does not consider the weekly sabbath to be a special, sacred day over the other six?

Also, where in Romans 14 does it specifically qualify v.5 to mean only the "annual holy feast days"?

Thirdly, how are "annual holy feast days" mandated under the Law of Moses any different than the weekly sabbath in the 4th commandment, since both of these kinds of sabbaths are identical in nature in that both are ceremonial-ritualistic laws, as both point to something greater and the 4th commandment was also a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, which also distinguishes it from "moral" laws?

I did, I am sorry if you do not like my answer.

Romans 14 is about food, there is no food in the Sabbath commandment, but there is in the annual feast days called holy days- sabbath(s)- so context is everything. Romans 14 is related to Colossians 2:14-16 which is referring to ordinances not the commandments of God. Commandments and ordinances are different according to God.

Nehemiah 9:13
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.


Ezekiel 43:18
And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The weekly Sabbath is a COMMANDMENT Exodus 20, Exodus 34:28 written personally by the finger of God Exodus 31:18 and it is His holy Sabbath day. There is no scripture that says we can break any of God’s commandments.

What ended was the sacrificial ordinances, annual holy feasts days that point to Jesus as our great sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The blood of animals made nothing perfect Hebrews 10, the blood of Christ is perfect for cleanings all of our sins when we repentant, which means one has a changed heart and wants to turn from sin (breaking the law) and walk with Him in obedience to His commandments. If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 which is what God said right in the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:6

 

[Doran]

I did, I am sorry if you do not like my answer.

No, the question required only a simple yes or no answer, not a duck, run and hide behind equivocation.

Romans 14 is about food, there is no food in the Sabbath commandment, but there is in the annual feast days called holy days- sabbath(s)- so context is everything. Romans 14 is related to Colossians 2:14-16 which is referring to ordinances not the commandments of God. Commandments and ordinances are different according to God.

So, ordinances don't have to be obeyed? They're weren't binding?

In your bible, how does Rom 14:5 read? It doesn't say anything about days?

What ended was the sacrificial ordinances, annual holy feasts days that point to Jesus as our great sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The blood of animals made nothing perfect Hebrews 10, the blood of Christ is perfect for cleanings all of our sins when we repentant, which means one has a changed heart and wants to turn from sin (breaking the law) and walk with Him in obedience to His commandments. If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 which is what God said right in the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:6

So does the 4th commandment point to Jesus. Jesus is the greater antitype to the 4th commandment which typifies Christ. The weekly sabbath is only the type, whereas Jesus is the Substance. Jesus is the quintessential rest for all his covenant people, for God made all his New Covenant people to be a NEW CREATION in Christ. No one will ever be saved by observing a weekly sabbath; but everyone who ceases working to find favor with God and instead rests in Christ for their salvation will inherit eternal life! The 4th commandment is no different in principle from annual sabbaths, especially since it is a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, just like the ritual of circumcision was a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Finally, Hebrews 3 and 4 are not teaching the continuation of the 4th commandment; for that kind of interpretation does not even remotely fit the context of those chapters. In fact, those chapters talk about "today" and "another day" -- a very different kind of day from the weekly sabbath day. Therefore, the 4th commandment is nowhere repeated in the NT; whereas all the other 9 commandments of the Decalogue are.

P.S. that "another day" (Heb 4:8), for you info. is Christ! He is that Day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, the question required only a simple yes or no answer, not a duck, run and hide behind equivocation.



So, ordinances don't have to be obeyed? They're weren't binding?

In your bible, how does Rom 14:5 read? It doesn't say anything about days?



So does the 4th commandment point to Jesus. Jesus is the greater antitype to the 4th commandment which typifies Christ. The weekly sabbath is only the type, whereas Jesus is the Substance. Jesus is the quintessential rest for all his covenant people, for God made all his New Covenant people to be a NEW CREATION in Christ. No one will ever be saved by observing a weekly sabbath; but everyone who ceases working to find favor with God and instead rests in Christ for their salvation will inherit eternal life! The 4th commandment is no different in principle from annual sabbaths, especially since it is a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, just like the ritual of circumcision was a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Finally, Hebrews 3 and 4 are not teaching the continuation of the 4th commandment; for that kind of interpretation does not even remotely fit the context of those chapters. In fact, those chapters talk about "today" and "another day" -- a very different kind of day from the weekly sabbath day. Therefore, the 4th commandment is nowhere repeated in the NT; whereas all the other 9 commandments of the Decalogue are.

P.S. that "another day" (Heb 4:8), for you info. is Christ! He is that Day.

Do you sacrifice animals for the forgivness of sins and keep that ordinance? For me, I beleive the scriptures that says Jesus is our sacrifical Lamb and can cleanse us from all sin, when we repent and turn from sin (breaking the law 1 John 3:4).

Hebrews 4 is very much about Sabbath keeping.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The greek word for rest here is sabbatismos which literally means the keeping of the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:9 says the Sabbath remains- remains from what? The Sabbath commandment.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity.

In Hebrews 3 and Hebrew 4 “today” is about not hardening our hearts when we hear His voice, to not wait until another “day” before obeying God. Hebrews 4:6 says those who disobeyed do not enter into Christ rest and to enter into His rest one must cease from their works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:10 Hebrews 4:4 reminds us that God ceased from His works on the seventh day and is a reference to creation Genesis 2:1-3

There is no scripture that says Jesus is a day or the Sabbath and I did not see you provide that text.

 

[HIM]

Just for everyone's info, here's how the NIV reads for Col 2:16:

Col 2:16
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
NIV

The term "days" isn't in the manuscripts. However, even if the term were in the Gr. manuscripts, it wouldn't change the context because we know that there are multiple sabbaths mentioned in scripture, including the weekly sabbath. But even more importantly, it's significant that Paul actually mentions both types of sabbaths in one breath -- the "festivals" and "new moons" representing annual sabbaths, whereas "a Sabbath day" would have to mean the weekly sabbath, otherwise Paul would be absurdly redundant.

Moreover, what Paul says makes sense because we know the 4th commandment was unique among the other 9 due to it's ceremonial-ritualistic nature, which is further reinforced since this is the only commandment that served as a SIGN of the Mosiac Covenant. So, indeed...the 4th commandment, too, like all the other sabbaths was a foreshadow of Christ.

Sabbath is plural and contextually verse 16 is connected to verse 14 which states that the hand written ordinances which were against us and contrary to us were nailed to the cross. This is said in response to the forgiveness mention in verse 13. So no it is not the Sabbath of the Decalogue but the sabbaths of the handwritten ordinances.

 

[HIM]

Do you sacrifice animals for the forgivness of sins and keep that ordinance? For me, I beleive the scriptures that says Jesus is our sacrifical Lamb and can cleanse us from all sin, when we repent and turn from sin (breaking the law 1 John 3:4).

Hebrews 4 is very much about Sabbath keeping.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The greek word for rest here is sabbatismos which literally means the keeping of the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:9 says the Sabbath remains- remains from what? The Sabbath commandment.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity.

In Hebrews 3 and Hebrew 4 “today” is about not hardening our hearts when we hear His voice, to not wait until another “day” before obeying God. Hebrews 4:6 says those who disobeyed do not enter into Christ rest and to enter into His rest one must cease from their works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:10 Hebrews 4:4 reminds us that God ceased from His works on the seventh day and is a reference to creation Genesis 2:1-3

There is no scripture that says Jesus is a day or the Sabbath and I did not see you provide that text.

No it does not. Stop teaching this. It is wrong. You don't have to keep the Sabbath to experience the Rest which is of Christ. THAT IS salvation by works and a lie. We must experience the Rest, the Gospel of Christ to keep the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No it does not. Stop teaching this. It is wrong. You don't have to keep the Sabbath to experience the Rest which is of Christ. THAT IS salvation by works and a lie. We must experience the Rest, the Gospel of Christ to keep the Sabbath.

Hi Him,

I would be happy to go through Hebrews 4 with you verse by verse, and if you look at Hebrews 4:10 and Hebrews 4:6 in particular it absolutely says we must obey and cease from our works just as God did to enter into His rest.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

We must cease from our works -where are we told this? The Sabbath commandment. Exodus 20:8-11 just as God did Genesis 2:1-3 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4- to enter His rest. The verse right before this reminds us that the people of God keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:9 and a warning to not follow the same example of disobedience Hebrews 4:11- Hebrews 4:6 which the Sabbath is what was disobeyed among other things Ezekiel 20:13 because those who disobey do not enter His rest. Hebrews 4:6

God’s blessings have always been conditional - Isaiah 58:13-14 John 14:15-18 just a few examples.

Salvation by works is trusting in our own works instead of trusting in God. By faithfully keeping the Sabbath, we are trusting in God and believing what He asks of us, because we trust God that what He asks is because it is for our own good, even if not convenient. Choosing a day that is not blessed by God or made holy or is a commandment of God is trusting in our works over God’s, which is not sanctifying. We are sanctified through His Word and through the Sabbath. John 17:17, Ezekiel 20:12

That’s why Hebrews 4 is begging people “today” if you hear His voice do not harden your heart, we should not put off obeying God to another day.

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

You seem to be advocating that we can profane God’s holy Sabbath and still receive God’s blessing, but I don’t see scripture that supports this idea.

Those who are not in Christ do not receive God's rest.....this is the future to come but same principle:
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

How to we counter this? The next verse tells us:

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

PS- I am always open to being corrected and biblical Truth is what matters, but I don't see from my intensive study on Hebrews 4 that one receives God's spiritual rest by being disobedient.

I pray this helps.

God bless.

 

[Bob S]

You seem to be advocating that we can profane God’s holy Sabbath and still receive God’s blessing, but I don’t see scripture that supports this idea.

I don't see where New Testament scripture supports keeping Holy the Sabbath to receive God's blessing. I do see that we receive God's blessing when we accept Jesus as our Savior and love all mankind as Jesus taught in Jn 15:9-14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't see where New Testament scripture supports keeping Holy the Sabbath to receive God's blessing. I do see that we receive God's blessing when we accept Jesus as our Savior and love all mankind as Jesus taught in Jn 15:9-14

There are many blessings we receive when we accept Jesus Christ as the first step. Once we come to Christ and He changes us from the inside out we want to obey Him because of love and through faith. Obedience to God is a theme throughout the whole bible.

For example, If you love Me, keep My commandments. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments that Jesus advocates we keep, and He did so through His own example. John 15:10, Luke 4:16. If we keep His commandments He sends us His Spirit. But its conditional, which is why the word "If" is there.

John 14:15 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Similar to the same promise God made right in the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Isaiah is a book on prophecy. There will never be a time when the Lord does not want us to keep His Sabbath, the holy day of our Lord thy God and doing so we are blessed.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Which is exactly how I feel after the Sabbath. Thank you Lord!

We have such great promises from Jesus who asks so little from us in return.

 

[Bob S]

There are many blessings we receive when we accept Jesus Christ as the first step. Once we come to Christ and He changes us from the inside out we want to obey Him because of love and through faith. Obedience to God is a theme throughout the whole bible.

For example, If you love Me, keep My commandments. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments that Jesus advocates we keep, and He did so through His own example. John 15:10, Luke 4:16. If we keep His commandments He sends us His Spirit. But its conditional, which is why the word "If" is there.

When the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost were all who received it believers? Of course they weren't. Were they all Sabbath observers? Of course not. There is absolutely no way a person can keep any commands without the guidance of the Spirit. There is no command for Christians or in fact anyone to keep the Sabbath.

John 14:15 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

And in Jn15 Jesus explains what His commands are, LOVE.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost were all who received it believers? Of course they weren't. Were they all Sabbath observers? Of course not. There is absolutely no way a person can keep any commands without the guidance of the Spirit.

When we come to Jesus and love Him with all of our heart, mind and soul, He gives us a new heart and helps us obey His commandments, when we harden our heart and turn away from obeying Him, we are in danger of grieving away the Holy Spirit and will have no concept anymore of right or wrong. The Commandments are like a mirror, they just point out sin so we can test ourselves and know if are following God or the "other spirit" who wants us not to keep God's commandments Revelation 12:17 because he has sinned from the beginning and breaks God's law. 1 John 3:8

There is no command for Christians or in fact anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Sure there is- If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15 The Sabbath is a commandment of God, just like honoring our parents, or committing murder or adultery- all found in the same unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 that God personally wrote with His own finger. Exodus 31:18 Which is why Jesus advocates we keep His Fathers commandments over man's traditions. Matthew 15:3-9. If we believe in Jesus, we should trust His teachings and His example that He left for us to follow.

And in Jn15 Jesus explains what His commands are, LOVE..

Yes, and one cannot love God if they are breaking His commandments. Instead, we are told that person is a liar and there is no truth in him. 1 John 2:3-6

For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

 

[Doran]

Do you sacrifice animals for the forgivness of sins and keep that ordinance? For me, I beleive the scriptures that says Jesus is our sacrifical Lamb and can cleanse us from all sin, when we repent and turn from sin (breaking the law 1 John 3:4).

Yes, but you don't believe the scriptures that connote that Jesus is the antitype to 4th commandment? We are to find our [salvific] rest only in him.

You refuse to recognize several things:

1. The 4th commandment is ceremonial-ritualistic in nature.
2. The 4th commandment was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
3. The Mosaic Covenant was totally and finally abolished in 70 A.D.
4. It follows from the above that the sign went out with the Old Covenant.
5. That there are other [sabbath] rests that have nothing to do with literal days.

Hebrews 4 is very much about Sabbath keeping.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The greek word for rest here is sabbatismos which literally means the keeping of the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:9 says the Sabbath remains- remains from what? The Sabbath commandment.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity.

In Hebrews 3 and Hebrew 4 “today” is about not hardening our hearts when we hear His voice, to not wait until another “day” before obeying God. Hebrews 4:6 says those who disobeyed do not enter into Christ rest and to enter into His rest one must cease from their works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:10 Hebrews 4:4 reminds us that God ceased from His works on the seventh day and is a reference to creation Genesis 2:1-3[/quote]

Okay...let's do Hebrews 3 and 4 in bite-size chunks since we're dealing with two chapters. Let's begin by you answering the two questions that I posed to Icy in my 1174. I asked him questions about Heb 4:5-6.

There is no scripture that says Jesus is a day or the Sabbath and I did not see you provide that text.

Be patient. We'll get to that later. Also, you won't see a scripture that specifically states that Jesus is a "day" or the "sabbath" because we're dealing here with typology. But there are several striking parallels between Jesus and the Sabbath, which we'll get into later. The sooner you answer the two questions in my 1174, the sooner we'll get to the typology.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, but you don't believe the scriptures that connote that Jesus is the antitype to 4th commandment? We are to find our [salvific] rest only in him.

You refuse to recognize several things:

1. The 4th commandment is ceremonial-ritualistic in nature.
2. The 4th commandment was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
3. The Mosaic Covenant was totally and finally abolished in 70 A.D.
4. It follows from the above that the sign went out with the Old Covenant.
5. That there are other [sabbath] rests that have nothing to do with literal days.

.

Could you please quote the scriptures that match your commentary. Our opinions, feelings and thoughts are not equal to the Word of God so when making such statements it is always best to supply scriptures and I do not see that you have done so.

 

[Doran]

Could you please quote the scriptures that match your commentary. Our opinions, feelings and thoughts are not equal to the Word of God so when making such statements it is always best to supply scriptures and I do not see that you have done so.

Sure, I can do that as soon as you address my two questions in