The Gospel Plus Nothing

[Der Alte]

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The root of humans is humous. We are dirt raised to life within Him. Our God is FIRE, identical with the Lake of theion and theioo, changing everything in giant gulps of splendor.

Sorry! The Greek words "theion" and "theioo" do not occur anywhere in the book of Revelation.

 

[FineLinen]

So you assume that "all creation" when it sees God as he is, and will be restored, necessarily invokes a certain absolute value to everything that we see as "existing".

I believe in the One who transforms mere clay into radiant beings flowing out of Him. Seeing Him as He is, radically changes who we are from the inside out.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Our Yah can and does all He pleases. He "cherishes" all mankind being restored to what they have lost in the great chasm. The question for each of us is will He be successful?

If you are of the opinion that absolutely all will be saved in the end, then if you are right, of course he will be successful in that.

If I am of the opinion that only the elect will be saved, then of course he will be successful in THAT!

What I find is direct scripture supporting my opinion, and only inference supporting yours, based on your notions of God's goodness and love, and his purposes according to those notions.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I believe in the One who transforms mere clay into radiant beings flowing out of Him. Seeing Him as He is, radically changes who we are from the inside out.

Of course, but all of them? I don't find that in Scripture.

 

[Der Alte]

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I believe in the One who transforms mere clay into radiant beings flowing out of Him. Seeing Him as He is, radically changes who we are from the inside out.

Do you believe in the one who said, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you?[Matt 7:23]

 

[FineLinen]

Of course, but all of them? I don't find that in Scripture.

No man can see God is a declaration of Scripture. Our heavenly ABBA dwells in unapproachable Light that requires change and transformation within the spiritual man.

Goods news =

"But we all, with unveiled face giving back as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord who is the Spirit."

 

[FineLinen]

If you are of the opinion that absolutely all will be saved in the end, then if you are right, of course he will be successful in that.

If I am of the opinion that only the elect will be saved, then of course he will be successful in THAT!

What I find is direct scripture supporting my opinion, and only inference supporting yours, based on your notions of God's goodness and love, and his purposes according to those notions.

The elect of Father's love & grace are the malista/especially. Malista does not mean only or some.

"God is the Saviour of ALL mankind".

 

[FineLinen]

If you are of the opinion that absolutely all will be saved in the end, then if you are right, of course he will be successful in that.

In the end of Yah's working, the entire all of pas will be far beyond being saved, they will be reconciled back within Him.

The Divine Equation =

Adam1 = polus made sinners.

Last Adam = polus made righteous.

 

[Der Alte]

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The elect of Father's love & grace are the malista/especially. Malista does not mean only or some.
"God is the Saviour of ALL mankind".

Is that the same God who said to disobedient Israel and Judah, "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.?"

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

 

[FineLinen]

No man can see God is a declaration of Scripture. Our heavenly ABBA dwells in unapproachable Light that requires change and transformation within the spiritual man.

Good news =

"But we all, with unveiled face giving back as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord who is the Spirit."

katoptrizō = mirror the glory of God.[/b ]

The call of our God reaches out from Himself to enfold us into Himself. Father calls for sons fashioned after their Elder Brother in fullest stature.

 

[FineLinen]

katoptrizō = mirror the glory of God.

The call of our God reaches out from Himself to enfold us into Himself. Father calls for sons fashioned after their Elder Brother in fullest stature.

 

[Mark Quayle]

No man can see God is a declaration of Scripture. Our heavenly ABBA dwells in unapproachable Light that requires change and transformation within the spiritual man.

Goods news =

"But we all, with unveiled face giving back as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord who is the Spirit."

Do you ever answer the question that is asked?

 

[Mark Quayle]

In the end of Yah's working, the entire all of pas will be far beyond being saved, they will be reconciled back within Him.

The Divine Equation =

Adam1 = polus made sinners.

Last Adam = polus made righteous.

poetic eisegesis

 

[Soyeong]

If you love Jesus, you will not have to be commanded to love him. Why is it you have to be told not to sin against the Lord. Paul said, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. Are you lawless and disobedient? Jesus said, "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Obedience motivated by love, not by law.

The Bible does not say that if we love Jesus, then we will not have to be commanded to love him, but rather it says that if we love him, then we will obey his commandments. That is because God's commandments are his instructions for how to love Him. In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed through setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so among other things he is the personification of righteousness, so when we do what is righteous in obedience to God's law in accordance with the example that he set for us to follow, we are expressing our love for the nature of who he is, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our obedience to God with our obedience to His commandments.

Regardless of whether anyone needs to be taught how to love God in obedience to God's law or to refrain from sin in transgression of it, those who love God will obey His commandments, and if someone is not obeying them, then they need to be taught how to obey them, which is what the law is for. If you are not obeying God's law, then you are lawless and disobedient, which means that according to 1 Timothy 1:9, the law is for you.

 

[RobertPate]

The Bible does not say that if we love Jesus, then we will not have to be commanded to love him, but rather it says that if we love him, then we will obey his commandments. That is because God's commandments are his instructions for how to love Him. In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed through setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so among other things he is the personification of righteousness, so when we do what is righteous in obedience to God's law in accordance with the example that he set for us to follow, we are expressing our love for the nature of who he is, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our obedience to God with our obedience to His commandments.

Regardless of whether anyone needs to be taught how to love God in obedience to God's law or to refrain from sin in transgression of it, those who love God will obey His commandments, and if someone is not obeying them, then they need to be taught how to obey them, which is what the law is for. If you are not obeying God's law, then you are lawless and disobedient, which means that according to 1 Timothy 1:9, the law is for you.

If you need the law to teach you how to love and obey Jesus it is because you don't have the Holy Spirit. The law never has and never will make anyone righteous. This is why Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin; Romans 3:20. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn.

You are going down the same road as the Pharisees. It is the road that leads to eternal damnation. And then you are calling Paul a liar. Paul said, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for the righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. The reason that the righteous man does not need the law is because he is led by the Holy Spirit and his Love for God and Jesus Christ.

 

[Soyeong]

If you need the law to teach you how to love and obey Jesus it is because you don't have the Holy Spirit.

Nowhere does the Bible say that, but rather it says that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

The law never has and never will make anyone righteous. This is why Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin; Romans 3:20. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn.

There can be many reasons for obeying God's law other than trying to earn our righteousness, such as faith and love, so the fact that we do not earn our righteousness does not mean that the purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the law will be declared righteous, so must be a reason that being declared righteous requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it. In Romans 3:21-22, it does not say that the Law and the Prophets testified that our righteousness is earned as a wage by having good enough obedience, but rather the only way to become righteous that is testified about by the Law and the Prophets is through faith in Christ for all who believe, so our faith in Christ has always been the reason for why we should obey God's law, and by the same faith we are declared righteous. Not even earthly parents give instructions to their children for the goal of judging and condemning them, and that is much more true for our heavenly Father who knows how to give good gifts, whose law was given as a priceless gift for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).

You are going down the same road as the Pharisees. It is the road that leads to eternal damnation.

Jesus never criticized the Pharisees for obeying God's law, but he did criticize them for not obeying it or for not obeying it correctly, and he called them to come to a fuller obedience to it that was in accordance with its weightier matters and free from hypocrisy. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, not that God's commandments are the way to enter eternal damnation. If you think that God has the goal of brining about our eternal damnation, then that is expressing an extremely negative view of God, where do not think that God should be trusted to guide us in how we should live through His law, which is the opposite of faith.

And then you are calling Paul a liar. Paul said, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for the righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. The reason that the righteous man does not need the law is because he is led by the Holy Spirit and his Love for God and Jesus Christ.

You refuse to obey God's law, which means that you are lawlessness and disobedient, so if you agree with what Paul said that the law is for the lawless and disobedient, then you should think that the law is for you. Nothing that I've said is calling Paul a liar.

The Bible repeatedly says that if we love God, then we will obey His commandments, while not once does it say that if we love God, then we do not need God's commandments. Likewise, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's commandments. You should be quicker to think that you must have misunderstood what Paul said than to think that it makes perfect sense to think living righteously is only for the unrighteous while the righteous are free to live unrighteously. That's like thinking that cowards live courageously while the courageous live cowardly, which is absurd. Saying that someone has a character trait is saying that they are someone who expresses that character trait, which is why the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law (Isaiah 51:7).

 

[RobertPate]

Nowhere does the Bible say that, but rather it says that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)



There can be many reasons for obeying God's law other than trying to earn our righteousness, such as faith and love, so the fact that we do not earn our righteousness does not mean that the purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the law will be declared righteous, so must be a reason that being declared righteous requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it. In Romans 3:21-22, it does not say that the Law and the Prophets testified that our righteousness is earned as a wage by having good enough obedience, but rather the only way to become righteous that is testified about by the Law and the Prophets is through faith in Christ for all who believe, so our faith in Christ has always been the reason for why we should obey God's law, and by the same faith we are declared righteous. Not even earthly parents give instructions to their children for the goal of judging and condemning them, and that is much more true for our heavenly Father who knows how to give good gifts, whose law was given as a priceless gift for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).



Jesus never criticized the Pharisees for obeying God's law, but he did criticize them for not obeying it or for not obeying it correctly, and he called them to come to a fuller obedience to it that was in accordance with its weightier matters and free from hypocrisy. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, not that God's commandments are the way to enter eternal damnation. If you think that God has the goal of brining about our eternal damnation, then that is expressing an extremely negative view of God, where do not think that God should be trusted to guide us in how we should live through His law, which is the opposite of faith.



You refuse to obey God's law, which means that you are lawlessness and disobedient, so if you agree with what Paul said that the law is for the lawless and disobedient, then you should think that the law is for you. Nothing that I've said is calling Paul a liar.

The Bible repeatedly says that if we love God, then we will obey His commandments, while not once does it say that if we love God, then we do not need God's commandments. Likewise, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's commandments. You should be quicker to think that you must have misunderstood what Paul said than to think that it makes perfect sense to think living righteously is only for the unrighteous while the righteous are free to live unrighteously. That's like thinking that cowards live courageously while the courageous live cowardly, which is absurd. Saying that someone has a character trait is saying that they are someone who expresses that character trait, which is why the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law (Isaiah 51:7).

For the Christians there are no laws to obey. They have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed them to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

 

[Soyeong]

For the Christians there are no laws to obey. They have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed them to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

Neither of those verses are referring to the Law of God and you keep refusing to give any sort of reason why you interpret those verses as referring to the Law of God, so it is not clear to me why you keep abusing those poor verses. Furthermore, you should not interpret those verses as contradicting the other verses that I cited in my post or verses like Psalms 119:160, where all of God's righteous laws, or verses like Matthew 5:17, where Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law, and Romans 3:31, where Paul said that our faith does not abolish God's law, but rather our faith upholds it. You are doing a disservice to the Bible when you latch on to verses that don't say what you want them to say, you use them to justify your position while ignoring everything else in the Bible that is contrary to your interpretation, and you refuse to accept correction. God's word should not be interpreted as speaking against God's word.

 

[Der Alte]

Do you ever answer the question that is asked?

I don't think he does. I suspect he has certain people under a Control cone of silence.

 

[RobertPate]

Nowhere does the Bible say that, but rather it says that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)



There can be many reasons for obeying God's law other than trying to earn our righteousness, such as faith and love, so the fact that we do not earn our righteousness does not mean that the purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the law will be declared righteous, so must be a reason that being declared righteous requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it. In Romans 3:21-22, it does not say that the Law and the Prophets testified that our righteousness is earned as a wage by having good enough obedience, but rather the only way to become righteous that is testified about by the Law and the Prophets is through faith in Christ for all who believe, so our faith in Christ has always been the reason for why we should obey God's law, and by the same faith we are declared righteous. Not even earthly parents give instructions to their children for the goal of judging and condemning them, and that is much more true for our heavenly Father who knows how to give good gifts, whose law was given as a priceless gift for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).



Jesus never criticized the Pharisees for obeying God's law, but he did criticize them for not obeying it or for not obeying it correctly, and he called them to come to a fuller obedience to it that was in accordance with its weightier matters and free from hypocrisy. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, not that God's commandments are the way to enter eternal damnation. If you think that God has the goal of brining about our eternal damnation, then that is expressing an extremely negative view of God, where do not think that God should be trusted to guide us in how we should live through His law, which is the opposite of faith.



You refuse to obey God's law, which means that you are lawlessness and disobedient, so if you agree with what Paul said that the law is for the lawless and disobedient, then you should think that the law is for you. Nothing that I've said is calling Paul a liar.

The Bible repeatedly says that if we love God, then we will obey His commandments, while not once does it say that if we love God, then we do not need God's commandments. Likewise, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's commandments. You should be quicker to think that you must have misunderstood what Paul said than to think that it makes perfect sense to think living righteously is only for the unrighteous while the righteous are free to live unrighteously. That's like thinking that cowards live courageously while the courageous live cowardly, which is absurd. Saying that someone has a character trait is saying that they are someone who expresses that character trait, which is why the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law (Isaiah 51:7).

You might as well be a Pharisee. You are practicing Old Covenant law and religion that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed the Old Covenant of law and religion to his cross, Colossians 2:14. Because God sees his people as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10, there is no need for laws, rules or religion.