How Can Molecules Think?

[Yaaten]

You've only been here five days and already the facade of supporting your position with logic and reason has been replaced with AV1611VET's go to argument..."because the bible says so".

That's just sad.

No, I never said here that something was true because the Bible says so. WHERE do I say that?
Do you know what's really sad? The way so many atheists deliberately misrepresent the views of those they don't agree with!

 

[Neogaia777]

I think with my brain. My brain is made of molecules. Therefore, molecules, when arranged in a certain way, can think.

But how can that be? After all, you are alive, and you feel what it is to be alive. You are experiencing conscious awareness. How can this awareness be nothing more than the result of molecules and elementary physical particles?

Your conscious awareness might seem to you to be something immaterial that is telling the molecules of your body what to do. And yet, as I wrote at Is There Life after Death, there is abundant evidence that the physical brain is indeed the thing that thinks. There is no soul inside running the show. The brain is in control.

Your brain does the thinking. And it creates the appearance that there is a person in charge controlling everything. Rather, what you have is a mass of neurons acting in parallel. But within that mass of neurons, some ideas rise to attention and drive the body. They create the story that the attention is in charge, but it is only there for the ride. The many neurons acting in parallel are in charge. I discuss this at How Can Molecules Think?

In reality none of us think, but all is cause and effect on every level, and there only ever was/is only one way things can/could ever happen or go, and still is, etc...

And the real question is, or then becomes then, was there intelligence behind that or not, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

In reality none of us think, but all is cause and effect on every level, and there only ever was/is only one way things can/could ever happen or go, and still is, etc...

And the real question is, or then becomes then, was there intelligence behind that or not, etc...?

God Bless!

Jesus knew this, and/or figured this out, even when it came to himself and God in the OT, and reasoned that there was and intelligence behind it that was neither of them specifically, but that they were both locked into, along with everyone and everything else, and that he also claimed he came from, or was sent from, and existed with from before time, or this universe/reality, began, etc...

And by this, claimed that he knew his own destiny, and what he was supposed to do by the will of that One, for humankind, etc, and then did it, or saw it through of course, etc, but knew that none of it was him specifically also of course, etc...

And he tried his best to tell us all about this, etc...

But unfortunately not many caught on or got this, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

that he also claimed he came from, or was sent from, and existed with from before time, or this universe/reality, began, etc...

Did he have a conscious memory from that time I wonder...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus knew this, and/or figured this out, even when it came to himself and God in the OT, and reasoned that there was and intelligence behind it that was neither of them specifically, but that they were both locked into, along with everyone and everything else, and that he also claimed he came from, or was sent from, and existed with from before time, or this universe/reality, began, etc...

And by this, claimed that he knew his own destiny, and what he was supposed to do by the will of that One, for humankind, etc, and then did it, or saw it through of course, etc, but knew that none of it was him specifically also of course, etc...

And he tried his best to tell us all about this, etc...

But unfortunately not many caught on or got this, etc...

God Bless!

He also claimed he had God the Spirit (God in and of the OT) living on the inside of him, that he listened to and communicated with, and that helped him along the/his way, and helped him carry out what they both knew he was supposed to do after a certain point, etc, but also that they were both still locked into the causality and the cause and effect of it all, that was foreordained/predestined by God the Father for them both, because none can escape that until they are completely done here ever, etc...

Where did his power to do and perform miracles come from? IDK exactly? Could have been because of God the Spirit, or might have been directly from God the Father, etc? Did God the Spirit come from God the Father, and did he know that before Jesus? And did he also have a conscious memory of that before Jesus? I also don't know, etc...

But either way, they collaborated to help Jesus to carry out and fulfill his destiny/mission, after God the Spirit discovered that finally needed to happen, and he impregnated Mary with Jesus, etc...

Anyway, just a little bit more of the story...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

When Jesus was a child, I'm sure his mother at least, told him about his birth, and maybe told him a little bit about who he was supposed to be, and who and what he was supposed to become, etc, and this is why I think Jeus spent a lot of time among the Pharisees as a kid, learning from them, and looking into and studying the OT, etc, trying to figure out more about this, and who and what he was supposed to be, and become, etc. Eventually he might have started seeing himself in the OT, etc, so that, by the time when he became older, he finally embraced his destiny, and his true identity in the OT that he had learned about, so that he went out to be baptized by John, etc. Maybe it was then that he received "more" maybe, IDK...? and maybe like a conscious memory of all of his true past in the OT, and going all the way back to the beginning with the Father God before creation maybe...? IDK, etc...?

But one of the greatest destinies ever in the world, or in heaven and earth ever, was upon him, etc, and Jesus, along with the help of God the Spirit, learned/found out about it, and they did carry it out, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Bradskii]

Yes, I'm denying it.

And you want to argue from a scientific position?

 

[SelfSim]

.. We are above nature, superior to all other life. That's just a fact.

Don't you mean that's just a belief?

 

[Yaaten]

In reality none of us think, but all is cause and effect on every level

If that's the case then nothing we do will ever make any real difference to anything, and we may as well not even try to find out what's true, because our conclusions will be pre-determined and therefore useless.

 

[Yaaten]

Don't you mean that's just a belief?

Not at all. Animals can't do even half the things we can, plus there's the fact that they don't have free will, souls, know the difference between right and wrong, create art, explore space, create technology... There's just no comparison.

 

[Yaaten]

And you want to argue from a scientific position?

I'm not interested in getting into arguments, and I'm not here to convert anyone. I responded to a few of the people here with whom I didn't agree, and stated what I believe at this point in time to be true.
Besides, in any scientific debate I'd absolutely obliterate the lot of you! It wouldn't be a fair competition.

 

[Neogaia777]

If that's the case then nothing we do will ever make any real difference to anything, and we may as well not even try to find out what's true, because our conclusions will be pre-determined and therefore useless.

What's true will always come out or come about in or by the end, if not by you or me, then others, because it is already predestined to do or become so...

God Bless!

 

[doubtingmerle]

No, they don't actually.

So its not true that my dog believed I was the greatest? Thats odd. Because it sure seemed to me that he thought that.

 

[doubtingmerle]

...God Bless!

Not only do you talk to yourself, but you also answer?

Well, uh, er, OK then.

 

[Bradskii]

I'm not interested in getting into arguments, and I'm not here to convert anyone. I responded to a few of the people here with whom I didn't agree, and stated what I believe at this point in time to be true.
Besides, in any scientific debate I'd absolutely obliterate the lot of you! It wouldn't be a fair competition.

For argument read 'debate'. And we're all prepared to be obliterated. I learnt long ago that being proved wrong is actually a good thing. But you haven't started well claiming that Homo sapien is not an animal. And not offering any evidence whatsoever for any claims you've made.

We're actually in the science section of the forum. So let the scientific debate begin!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

We're actually in the science section of the forum. So let the scientific debate begin!

Yes, I sort of forgot about that so apologize for all my beliefs and opinions. As if they have no place in a science discussion. So I guess on this point we must first agree on criterion for "human". How about DNA for a start? It has become the main way of classifying life on earth.
Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA. How can we be so similar--and yet so different?
Comparing Chimp, Bonobo and Human DNA | AMNH.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Not at all. Animals can't do even half the things we can, plus there's the fact that they don't have free will, souls, know the difference between right and wrong, create art, explore space, create technology... There's just no comparison.

Regarding free will, see Free Will | Christian Forums.

Regarding the rest of your list, yes, humans are qualitatively different from other species in brain power. But other animals have many of these attributes at a smaller scale.

Just because a peacock amplifies its courting display far beyond other animals, or a human uses its brainpower far beyond other animals, or a skunk uses its ability to stink far above other animals, does not mean they are not animals.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Yes, I sort of forgot about that so apologize for all my beliefs and opinions. As if they have no place in a science discussion. So I guess on this point we must first agree on criterion for "human". How about DNA for a start? It has become the main way of classifying life on earth.
Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA. How can we be so similar--and yet so different?
Comparing Chimp, Bonobo and Human DNA | AMNH.

Because at some point in evolution God inserted a soul? Does that mean the first person with a soul was raised by beasts without a soul?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Because at some point in evolution God inserted a soul? Does that mean the first person with a soul was raised by beasts without a soul?

In a science section can we talk about "soul". If so Start by defining it.

 

[Astrid]

You've only been here five days and already the facade of supporting your position with logic and reason has been replaced with AV1611VET's go to argument..."because the bible says so".

That's just sad.

This is supposed to be a forum for talking
about science, not for wannabe OT prophets
to pronounce upon their self- inspired Truths.

It would be courteous for that latter group
decamp for an apologrtics group and cease
plaguing intellectually honest people with
their made- up "wisdom".