Discussion Charistmatic Perspective on Unpardonable Sin

[Dietrich Johnson]

What is the Unpardonable Sin? Does it involve consciously and soberly choosing Satan over God? Can one lose the Holy Spirit in the process?

 

[sandman]

One cannot be born again and commit the unpardonable sin...but it does involve choosing Satan over God

 

[Dietrich Johnson]

I would be very interested in hearing what others have to say about this important question.

 

[Sabertooth]

It happens when a mature, Spirit-filled Christian* makes a conscious choice to abandon their faith and persistently resists conviction to repent until some point of no return, when the Holy Spirit stops trying.

"For it is impossible for those who

1. were once enlightened, and
2. have tasted the heavenly gift, and
3. have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and
4. have tasted the good word of God and
5. the powers of the age to come,

if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance,

since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God,
and put Him to an open shame." Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV​

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith,

• giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
• speaking lies in hypocrisy,
• having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,..." 1 Timothy 4:1-2 NKJV

Anyone who feels convicted of sin can repent, and is not too far gone. Those that are too far gone have no aversion to sin nor do they fear Judgment. They do not care to repent.

*The unSaved, newb Believers and Believers with OCD are unable to violate Hebrews 6:4-6.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The elect cant commit such a sin as they are constrained by the indwelling Holy spirit.

Jer 32
40 I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.

 

[lismore]

Not accepting the salvation found in Jesus.

It's not about a believer loosing salvation as salvation depends on Jesus work, not ours.

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing (1 Thessalonians 5:9-11)

God Bless You

 

[lismore]

*The unSaved, newb Believers and Believers with OCD are unable to violate Hebrews 6:4-6.

In my experience teaching a works-based model of salvation in the church gives people OCD, many require counselling afterwards. God Bless

 

[Maria Billingsley]

What is the Unpardonable Sin? Does it involve consciously and soberly choosing Satan over God? Can one lose the Holy Spirit in the process?

The unpardonable sin is sinning unto death. In other words, as John explained in 1 John 5:16-17, one can not pray for someone to be saved if they are physically dead. They have no hope for salvation as they rejected Jesus Christ of Nazareth till the day they died. This is the unpardonable sin.
Blessings

 

[hhodgson]

The sin of unbelief which is rejecting Jesus Christ is the unpardonable sin as ones Saviour and Lord.

Rejecting Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord... is the unpardonable sin.

Harry...

 

[TedT]

What is the Unpardonable Sin? Does it involve consciously and soberly choosing Satan over God? Can one lose the Holy Spirit in the process?

My REPLY found in :
PCE definitions of unforgivable, unpardonable sin

 

[jiminpa]

Has anyone considered consulting the Bible?

Mark 3:
28“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Maybe this will make is somewhat more clear:
blas·pheme
/blasˈfēm,ˈblasˌfēm/

verb

1. speak irreverently about God or sacred things.
   "he has blasphemed against God"

Replace blaspheme above with its definition and look at the context of the verses, and you pretty much have exactly what the simple meaning says. Jesus taught that blaspheming the Holy Spirit was unpardonable when they accused the Holy Spirit of being an unclean Spirit, ( they blasphemed Him by calling Him unclean), kind of like what the same people who like to make Jesus's teaching on this something complicated do when they teach that the gifts, when used now, are of the devil.

 

[Sabertooth]

In my experience teaching a works-based model of salvation in the church gives people OCD, many require counselling afterwards. God Bless

I do not advocate for works-based salvation. Rather, I advocate daily surrender to Jesus + repentance, as we are convicted.

 

[jiminpa]

I know that it's hard to admit that those verses mean just what they say. Some of the most well-respected "Bible teachers" in the U.S. and Europe have called the gifts of the Spirit as being done by another spirit, but the Bible is right whether we like what it says or not. Maybe we should be more selective of our teachers and less selective of what scriptures we are willing to believe.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I would be very interested in hearing what others have to say about this important question.

It is important to view the context in which Jesus made the statement. He was reacting to the group of Pharisees accusing Him of casting out demons through the prince of demons. Notice that any mention of the unforgiveable sin was never directed at the ordinary people. Also, it was said in the context of Judea before the death and resurrection of Christ, therefore it was said to unconverted Jews. Nowhere does Paul teach that a born again believer would commit the unforgiveable sin. Quite the contrary, he says plainly that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. John says that the born again believer cannot sin because he has a renewed heart. There seems to be a contradiction between him saying that the person who says he has no sin deceives himself and the truth is not in him. But when we read it closely we see that it is the presence of sin in his flesh, which Paul makes clear in Romans 7. Paul says that in his heart he follows the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, but in his flesh the law of sin and death. Paul says that when he does sin it is not he who does it, but sin within him.

So one must be careful not to take one verse of Scripture out of context and make it into a doctrine for Christians. We must read the whole range of Scripture where it talks about how believers actually sin and where the sin comes from. The New Testament teaches that our sin is covered by the righteousness of Christ, but not eradicated from our flesh. This is why we get tempted and regularly fail to resist it. Our physical bodies (the flesh) has to die, and when that happens, the sin dies with it. When we are resurrected to glory, sin is left in the grave, and we rise with new, glorified bodies free of sin.

So, for these reasons, it is impossible for a born again believer to commit the unforgiveable sin, because he has a renewed heart which cannot sin. I just had this thought: the new heart is the first part of us that has been "resurrected", while our bodies are still sinful. God's moral law has been written on our hearts. This is why Paul says that there is a conflict between the flesh and the Spirit.

 

[Blade]

Really?

What is the Unpardonable Sin? Does it involve consciously and soberly choosing Satan over God? Can one lose the Holy Spirit in the process?

For what you asked no. Answers to what exactly it is will be as you can see all over the place then some things said there is no scripture for.

See to make it simple some will say its not believing in Jesus...how can one be forgiven of that right? Or the one that makes fun of the sweet sweet holy Spirit as in the 9 gifts on and on. If one has to ask.. you have nothing to worry about.

 

[ARBITER01]

Has anyone considered consulting the Bible?

Mark 3:
28“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Maybe this will make is somewhat more clear:
blas·pheme
/blasˈfēm,ˈblasˌfēm/

verb

1. speak irreverently about God or sacred things.
   "he has blasphemed against God"

Replace blaspheme above with its definition and look at the context of the verses, and you pretty much have exactly what the simple meaning says. Jesus taught that blaspheming the Holy Spirit was unpardonable when they accused the Holy Spirit of being an unclean Spirit, ( they blasphemed Him by calling Him unclean), kind of like what the same people who like to make Jesus's teaching on this something complicated do when they teach that the gifts, when used now, are of the devil.

Look,... someone actually knows their bible!!!

Someone also brought up the section of Hebrews, but that centers around a person purposely turning their back on GOD to serve satan when they are already born again,..... something they knowingly and willfully do. That is called betrayal, not blasphemy.

 

[Dietrich Johnson]

Look,... someone actually knows their bible!!!

Someone also brought up the section of Hebrews, but that centers around a person purposely turning their back on GOD to serve satan when they are already born again,..... something they knowingly and willfully do. That is called betrayal, not blasphemy.

Thank you for your response. You are saying that a saved person turning away from God is different per scripture than the unpardonable sin. From that perspective, does the verse in Hebrews where it says "For it is impossible" (Hebrews 6:4), imply that this turning away from God is (in effect) an unpardonable sin for the believer?

 

[Sabertooth]

From that perspective, does the verse in Hebrews where it says "For it is impossible" (Hebrews 6:4), imply that this turning away from God is (in effect) an unpardonable sin for the believer?

Once they get past some "point of no return" --which isn't right away-- such a person would no longer want to repent. I believe that 1 Timothy 4:1-2 is talking about the same phenomenon.

As long as someone wants to repent, they can.

 

[ARBITER01]

Thank you for your response. You are saying that a saved person turning away from God is different per scripture than the unpardonable sin. From that perspective, does the verse in Hebrews where it says "For it is impossible" (Hebrews 6:4), imply that this turning away from God is (in effect) an unpardonable sin for the believer?

It's a separation from GOD, not a sin that can't be forgiven, as Jesus described before. This is a choice out of an individual.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Thank you for your response. You are saying that a saved person turning away from God is different per scripture than the unpardonable sin. From that perspective, does the verse in Hebrews where it says "For it is impossible" (Hebrews 6:4), imply that this turning away from God is (in effect) an unpardonable sin for the believer?

According to the Apostle John a professing Christian turning away from Christ shows evidence that he or she was never genuinely converted in the first place.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:19).