Discussion Charistmatic Perspective on Unpardonable Sin

[Sabertooth]

Can you give a little more clarity on what this might look like today? (for someone to knowingly lie about the Holy Spirit and commit the unpardonable sin). No need to be overly specific, but do you mean basically that someone who knows the Holy Spirit accomplished something instead attributes that to something other than the other Spirit (particularly the devil)?

I cannot know when someone has "crossed that line." That is God's call. We know, from Hebrews 6:4-6 & 1 Timothy 4:1-2, that that animal exists.
Absence of conviction (which you can't seem to digest*) is the only reliable indicator.

*Are you having an internal argument with OCD?

 

[ARBITER01]

My view on what I see written in the Bible is that a genuinely converted believer will never walk away from Christ. If that was possible, then many promises in the Bible are lies and the Bible is not worth the paper it is printed on.

It is interesting that here, election through God's grace and man's personal choice run side by side in parallel. Both are true according to Scripture. We don't see the merger here on earth, but we may see how both can be consistent with each other when we get into eternity.

This is where extremism causes confusion. Some believe that our salvation comes through personal choice alone, and others believe that it is through predestination alone. Yet in the Bible, there are clear Scriptures that show that both are true. I believe that salvation is all of God and that He will keep me from falling until I see Him in glory; yet I know that people will be judged in the Judgment through their personal choice about whether they chose to believe the Gospel or not.

Like many things in Christianity,.... it has nothing to do with just our thoughts,...

Heb 6:4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the land which hath drunk the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them for whose sake it is also tilled, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 but if it beareth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and nigh unto a curse; whose end is to be burned.

The passage is there. These things can happen according to The Holy Spirit, He is the one pointing it out.

 

[jiminpa]

@jiminpa

From your perspective, is it enough to just blaspheme against the Holy Spirit once, or if one repents of that and rightly believes in the Holy Spirit's work, does that mean they haven't done the unpardonable sin?

My opinion is irrelevant. The scripture is explicit.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

@jiminpa

From your perspective, is it enough to just blaspheme against the Holy Spirit once, or if one repents of that and rightly believes in the Holy Spirit's work, does that mean they haven't done the unpardonable sin?

Like many I suffer from OCD, it is torment, from an unclean spirit. Many times it tricks me to blaspheme God. Or at least I see them. John Bunyon also had this illness.

I am sure you can commit a sin against the Holy Spirit and Jesus' blood, and be forgiven and washed by the blood afterwards.

Doubting God is a blasphemy. When the Babylonians came against Jerusalem, the blasphemed saying, "Your God is like all the others, it won't save you."

We all accidentally blaspheme. Look at cessationists, they can still become Spirit filled.

 

[Dietrich Johnson]

There have been a couple random references to OCD in this thread. Although I am thankful to not have OCD, I have sympathy for anyone who thinks they do.

That being said, as the OP, I wanted to get this thread back on topic.

It sounds like there is general agreement in this thread that from the charismatic perspective, there is a difference between the unpardonable sin Christ describes and what Hebrews 6 describes.

Beyond that, it's a bit fuzzy as to what commenters in this particular thread believe the unpardonable sin is.

If anyone would like to help provide clarity on what they believe scripture is saying the unpardonable sin is, I would be very grateful!

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

There have been a couple random references to OCD in this thread. Although I am thankful to not have OCD, I have sympathy for anyone who thinks they do.

That being said, as the OP, I wanted to get this thread back on topic.

It sounds like there is general agreement in this thread that from the charismatic perspective, there is a difference between the unpardonable sin Christ describes and what Hebrews 6 describes.

Beyond that, it's a bit fuzzy as to what commenters in this particular thread believe the unpardonable sin is.

If anyone would like to help provide clarity on what they believe scripture is saying the unpardonable sin is, I would be very grateful!

Personally I think the Gospel account of a Pharisee rejecting the finger of God, mistaking it for Beelzebul, accords Hebrews 6. But Revelation and the mark of the beast is quite different. I can't see why the latter cannot repent.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I am convinced that the unpardonable sin is simply dying while denying Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.