Will you let the bible ...

[Clare73]

Yes. That's the law. Whatever God commands is law.
The Gospel does not consist in commandments, but in the promises of God.

Not according to such passages as Romans 6:15-19 on obedience.

Gospel = good news. The good news is not found in commandments, which in our sin we fail to keep and therefore stand condemned before God; the good news is found in God's promises and gifts which are given freely; and the promises of God are life and peace on account of Christ who has made reconciliation between God and us by His life, death, and resurrection.

The woman caught in adultery doesn't hear good news if Jesus had said, "Yes, you were disobedient to the commandments, go obey the commandments", the good news the woman receives is, "Neither do I condemn you" and in the freedom of those words the woman is then given the benediction, "Go and sin no more". It is the forgiveness and peace which Christ gives her that is good news, and good news that lifts her up--to which she is now invited to get up and start walking again.

If it's not good news, then it's not Gospel.

You can't have one without the other.

Good news is relief from bad news. . .see the gospel of both in John 3:18. . .bad news--"condemned already". . .good news--salvation from that condemnation.

There is to be preaching of both Law and Gospel. Which is why Christ gives His Church the Keys to bind and to loose, to retain and forgive sins. Law and Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

You can't have one without the other

Is it good news if it is not relief from bad news?. . .see the gospel of both in John 3:18. . .bad news--"condemned already". . .good news--salvation from that condemnation.

The Law condemns, that's the bad news.
The Gospel is the good news.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You put compassion over the law, though. That’s what your OP says. Compassion trumps the gospel.

Is not mercy compassionate? Is it not rooted in empathy and understanding coupled with love? Mercy triumphs over justice is a lesson worth learning.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Mercy "wins" over justice only by paying the price of justice. . .justice is not ignored nor is it trumped, it is, and always will be, satisfied; i.e., its demands absolutely met.

That's God's way. . .

Of course the passage doesn't say that mercy must pay justice. That's a perspective shaped by a theology and not by the text.

 

[Hammster]

Is not mercy compassionate? Is it not rooted in empathy and understanding coupled with love? Mercy triumphs over justice is a lesson worth learning.

You’ve dismissed the gospel for your own understanding

 

[Clare73]

The Law condemns, that's the bad news.
The Gospel is the good news.

-CryptoLutheran

Unbelief condemns. . .even if you do the law, as the Orthodox Jews do, and who also reject Jesus of Nazareth..

 

[Clare73]

Of course the passage doesn't say that mercy must pay justice.
That's a perspective shaped by a theology and not by the text.

That's a theology shaped by the burden of NT teaching.

Are you unfamiliar with what the NT presents regarding why Jesus died (Romans 3:25)?

 

[Strong in Him]

I truly wish you were right. Yet so many scholarly gentlemen of past ages and so many scholarly gentlemen of our times have advocated harsh treatments for all sorts of people who they believe to be reprehensible in one matter or another.

They may well have done; that doesn't mean the Bible teaches it - only that they have interpreted certain passages to allow them to do that behaviour.
After all, the teaching that someone should be stoned to death for not keeping the Sabbath is still in the Bible. We, in the West, don't follow it; certain other countries might.
The teaching about Jewish sacrifices is still in the OT; not even the Jews follow that.

 

[bbbbbbb]

They may well have done; that doesn't mean the Bible teaches it - only that they have interpreted certain passages to allow them to do that behaviour.
After all, the teaching that someone should be stoned to death for not keeping the Sabbath is still in the Bible. We, in the West, don't follow it; certain other countries might.
The teaching about Jewish sacrifices is still in the OT; not even the Jews follow that.

Not to mention polygamy, concubinage, slavery, etc.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You’ve dismissed the gospel for your own understanding

The first post says:

My religion, my faith is more wedded to being kind and showing compassion than it is to law and gospel, to justice and rightness. So I ask of my self "will you let the bible teach you to punish and to judge the 'world' casting some away?" which translates to will I let the bible teach me to be unkind and hard - to treat anyone badly because justice demands it or their faults deserve it?

Your post is an opinion. I disagree with it.

 

[Hammster]

The first post says:

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Your post is an opinion. I disagree with it.

So you’ve changed your mind?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Unbelief condemns. . .even if you do the law, as the Orthodox Jews do, and who also reject Jesus of Nazareth..

That's still the condemnation of the Law.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hawkins]

My religion, my faith is more wedded to being kind and showing compassion than it is to law and gospel, to justice and rightness. So I ask of my self "will you let the bible teach you to punish and to judge the 'world' casting some away?" which translates to will I let the bible teach me to be unkind and hard - to treat anyone badly because justice demands it or their faults deserve it?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Unfortunately you are not God. God specifies what He needs entities such as humans and angel would do in order to live with Him in a forever realm.

The question boils down to if God has such a message for humans, then how should this message be conveyed.

If the US government has an important message for its citizens, it should go through the mass media to broadcast the message to all the states of America, not just Indian or Texas.

Similarly, when God has a good news for humans the gospel shall be preached to all nations, not just India or the Middle east. OT is for God to build up His own mass media which is Israel, then through the testimonies of the Apostles (they are Jews), the gospel is commanded to be preached to all nations till the Second coming of Jesus Christ.

Other gods, either they don't know how to broadcast an important message, or they don't have a message for all mankind, or they don't exist at all.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Unfortunately you are not God.

Seems fortunate to me

 

[Clare73]

That's still the condemnation of the Law.

-CryptoLutheran

Where is belief in the Messiah for the forgiveness of your sin in the Law?

 

[BobRyan]

My religion, my faith is more wedded to being kind and showing compassion than it is to law and gospel, to justice and rightness.

Can you accept that many gospel-reject atheists are in fact kind to their friends and show compassion???

So I ask of my self "will you let the bible teach you to punish and to judge the 'world' casting some away?" which translates to will I let the bible teach me to be unkind and hard - to treat anyone badly because justice demands it or their faults deserve it?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The Bible says "God IS Love" 1 John 2:4,9.

Is it "loving" for a surgeon to remove cancer? Or must we conclude that medicine taught the surgeon to hate patients??

When the saints see a loved one in the lake of fire does God want them to "experience cold hearted satisfaction" in the suffering and torment of their daughter - or grief and sorrow?

God Himself claims HE feels grief and sorrow in that situation.

Ezek 18:31 Hurl away from you all your offenses which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why should you die, house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live!”

Luke 19:
41 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known on this day, even you, the conditions for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will put up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side,

Is that the Christ-like heart of love saints will have in your view or will they have little to no concern at all when it comes to the torment of their loved child?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Where is belief in the Messiah for the forgiveness of your sin in the Law?

1 John 3:23.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[The Liturgist]

How do you know that you should be kind?

This is an interesting question. I would say kindness is required of us in this manner: God is love, infinitely loving, and is described as having loving-kindness, and Jesus Christ commands us to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, which of course is a long road for us deeply imperfect creatures, but I feel it is an instruction to practice sincere loving-kindness.

Obviously this does not extend to superficial or inappropriate displays of kindness or affection, for example, obsequious conduct.

 

[The Liturgist]

Is it "loving" for a surgeon to remove cancer? Or must we conclude that medicine taught the surgeon to hate patients??

Yes, provided he removes the cancer with the patients consent, and does so using all appropriate standards of care for sterile operating conditions, infectious risk reduction, pain management, interoperative safety, perioperative comfort, and so on.

 

[fhansen]

Commandment = law.

The law is not the problem. Being aware of the law is not a problem. Being obligated to be righteous is not a problem. To refrain from murder or adultery is not a problem. To love is anything but a problem. Being legalistic, being under the law, is a problem, or a curse, because while the law is good one can never fulfill it on their own. It cannot justify us; it cannot impart the righteousness that it testifies to-Rom 3:21-22. It cannot cure what’s wrong with man. We’re the problem, because our alienation from God is a problem, it’s the problem.

The only way man can be justified is by God, by virtue of union with Him. That’s the purpose of faith. And the name of that justice or righteousness is love and it fulfills the law without being legalistic and without even needing to hear the law, let alone be under it. Man is obligated not only to believe, but also to hope in, and most importantly, to love God-and neighbor. That’s our purpose. That’s to be under grace because only He can fulfill it in us as we turn to Him in faith and remain in Him, cooperating with His work in us. It’s ok, it’s good, to know our obligation. That’s why the Bible was written. Otherwise we wouldn’t need it.