Oh boy - I wondered what this whole Mar A Lago thing was about

[Ana the Ist]

I suspect "they" (FBI) have a very good reason for going after him that has nothing to do with whether Trump runs again. We'll learn soon enough....at which point, all the talking heads casting shade on the FBI will have moved on to another target...

It's a bit much....

I can't recall any former President being raided by the FBI. I don't imagine that none of them ever failed to follow every procedure to the letter.

Merrick Garland has already shown a willingness to use the FBI against political opponents in school board meetings. I don't like the idea of an FBI being used for political ends.

But yeah....we'll see.

 

[wing2000]

It's a bit much....

I can't recall any former President being raided by the FBI. I don't imagine that none of them ever failed to follow every procedure to the letter.

Merrick Garland has already shown a willingness to use the FBI against political opponents in school board meetings. I don't like the idea of an FBI being used for political ends.

But yeah....we'll see.

I'm quite certain no prior President has hauled off dozens of WH documents to his estate, which as of this afternoon, we know know contained Top Secret - SCI documents.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is just a small sampling of what I found in a few minutes.
Since we are advocating following the word of God, I will assume your apology and you can assume I have forgiven you!

The Democrats’ ‘Whatever Means Necessary’ Strategy | The Heritage Foundation

I know when I want to learn about the platform of the Democratic party, my first stop for unbiased factual information is the Heritage Foundation.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So I decided to give you the benefit of doubt and take a peek at one... and you are the one who ought to apologize.

Theres nothing in the authors opinion piece indicating "any means necessary" is an actual Dem motto. Instead the phrase is his characterization of D attitudes.

Oh please....is the word motto important here?

If the term generalized strategy was used....or maybe popular sentiment instead of motto....you would have agreed?

 

[Belk]

Really? It has been a common notion about the Democrats for years. But of course, it has been used by and against other parties and groups also. Most notable Malcolm X and the black panthers.
This is just a small sampling of what I found in a few minutes.
Since we are advocating following the word of God, I will assume your apology and you can assume I have forgiven you!

The Democrats’ ‘Whatever Means Necessary’ Strategy | The Heritage Foundation

CASA: “Democrats Must Deliver Citizenship by Any Means Necessary” (wearecasa.org)

Any Means Necessary - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Democrats will pass the PRO Act by any means necessary | Washington Examiner

The Right Stuff: ‘By any means necessary’ (dailyrepublic.com)

Buffalo Democrats are trying to stop socialist nominee India Walton by any means necessary | Salon.com

Democrats, You Have the Power: Deliver Citizenship Now! (unitedwedream.org)

The Path to a Modern South - Google Books

By Any Means Necessary | The Nation

Hillary — By Any Means Necessary | National Review

Opposing Kavanaugh by "Whatever Means Necessary" | The Heritage Foundation

Wayne Morse and Labor Rights | Wayne Morse Center (uoregon.edu)

Partisan Use of Oversight Powers (co-equal.org)

I specifically worded my post as my perception, not an accusation. However given your response was to continue to offer opinion rather then correct your mistatment, and then add a snarky "Your forgiven" at the end it would appear that I have my answer.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If they find materials that he shouldn't have they have done exactly what they set out to do whether it means he can run again or not.

Yeah but I don't think people would accept that.

 

[Fantine]

The warrant gives the Espianoge Act as a law Trump is being investigated for violating.
That's about as serious a charge as I can imagine.
The Trump appointed justice who granted the warrant to the Trump appointed FBI Director had ample reason for taking action.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm quite certain no prior President has hauled off dozens of WH documents to his estate,

I don't have to give it much thought to find an example.

Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton emails - what's it all about?

Granted, she was never president, but that makes her violations all the more egregious.

You may imagine there's some substantial difference between taking home a hard copy on paper and keeping all copies on a personal server....but there isn't. Not in regards to policy, not in regards to criminality.

Now....I'm sure the reason her staffers smashed her servers with hammers is so they could be bagged up more easily when the FBI arrived.

You seriously don't think executive officials have been known to get a little careless with classified information? Wasn't there some goofball who got seduced by a Chinese spy not too long ago?

It's astonishing what you'll believe.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The warrant gives the Espianoge Act as a law Trump is being investigated for violating.
That's about as serious a charge as I can imagine.

If they've caught him sharing state secrets out of office he's in big trouble.

 

[Valletta]

Funny how the mole supposedly knew exactly where the documents were kept, yet the FBI raided every bit of living space even going though all of Melania's possessions. It's obvious they were out to get anything they could lay their hands on, rather than being there to retrieve specific boxes kept in a specific spot.

The FBI wants to confiscate the recording of the raid from Trump. Trump needs to get that out into the public before they can seize it, let the public see any violations of the warrant by the FBI. Impeachment papers against Garland have been filed.

 

[cow451]

Really? It has been a common notion about the Democrats for years. But of course, it has been used by and against other parties and groups also. Most notable Malcolm X and the black panthers.
This is just a small sampling of what I found in a few minutes.
Since we are advocating following the word of God, I will assume your apology and you can assume I have forgiven you!

The Democrats’ ‘Whatever Means Necessary’ Strategy | The Heritage Foundation

CASA: “Democrats Must Deliver Citizenship by Any Means Necessary” (wearecasa.org)

Any Means Necessary - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Democrats will pass the PRO Act by any means necessary | Washington Examiner

The Right Stuff: ‘By any means necessary’ (dailyrepublic.com)

Buffalo Democrats are trying to stop socialist nominee India Walton by any means necessary | Salon.com

Democrats, You Have the Power: Deliver Citizenship Now! (unitedwedream.org)

The Path to a Modern South - Google Books

By Any Means Necessary | The Nation

Hillary — By Any Means Necessary | National Review

Opposing Kavanaugh by "Whatever Means Necessary" | The Heritage Foundation

Wayne Morse and Labor Rights | Wayne Morse Center (uoregon.edu)

Partisan Use of Oversight Powers (co-equal.org)

Can’t do it without what about what about what about what and more what about.

 

[Valletta]

If they've caught him sharing state secrets out of office he's in big trouble.

The same goes for you, for Joe Biden, for all of us. The thing is that Trump declassified the documents, they can't prove he did not--he had full authority to declassify all records. Hillary did not and there is no question she possessed classified material. She said she didn't know it was classified and that was good enough for the Justice Department.

 

[Yttrium]

The thing is that Trump declassified the documents, they can't prove he did not--he had full authority to declassify all records.

Sure they can prove it. There's a declassification process. It's recorded. Trump can't just declare them declassified.

(Not to mention the fact that the classification markings were still on the documents...)

 

[cow451]

Actually, it is what they do, which is more indicative of their strategy than what they merely say. So I will give you they do not admit to it in words. But actions speak louder than words.

Trump’s actions are speaking far louder than his words…..

 

[Valletta]

Sure they can prove it. There's a declassification process. It's recorded. Trump can't just declare them declassified.

Actually he can. The president is the final authority for declassification. While Trump did not issue any declassification executive orders or directives he did not rescind any, so the EOs from Bush and Obama are still in force. Those exempt the president and vice-president from declassification procedures that others have to follow.

 

[cow451]

Just heard that the warrant said Trump was under investigation for possible obstruction of Justice and espionage! The statute cited was 17893, which covers the Espionage Act. That's the warrant saying that--not me.

They wanted the warrant released so let the wild excuses begin!

 

[cow451]

The FBI wants to confiscate the recording of the raid from Trump. Trump needs to get that out into the public before they can seize it, let the public see any violations of the warrant by the FBI. Impeachment papers against Garland have been filed.

Let’s see that video, big guy.

 

[cow451]

The same goes for you, for Joe Biden, for all of us. The thing is that Trump declassified the documents, they can't prove he did not--he had full authority to declassify all records. Hillary did not and there is no question she possessed classified material. She said she didn't know it was classified and that was good enough for the Justice Department.

Please return to class after you have used your friend Google to become better informed.

 

[Valletta]

They wanted the warrant released so let the wild excuses begin!

They have to first invent a reason and then actually charge Trump. I don't know if they can come up with one that will not bring more criticism against the Biden adminstration.

 

[Valletta]

Let’s see that video, big guy.

Exactly, I hope it surfaces. Joe is the big guy, gets a 10% cut?