What they leave in the pool would be as gross as anyone elses leftovers.What if it's the cheerleaders for the Dallas cowboys
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What they leave in the pool would be as gross as anyone elses leftovers.What if it's the cheerleaders for the Dallas cowboys
Of course not. The problem is when government gets involved. Religion is personal and the state has no business in sticking its nose in.Should we get rid of the Ten Commandments from public places? prayer? the Bible?
Ya ... "we the people" don't like parts of the Bible on public display, do we?The problem is when government gets involved.
Are you intentionally misunderstanding me? I couldn’t care less about displays of the Bible (mine or yours), the Koran, the Vedas, or any religion so long as is doesn’t involve taxpayer’s money.Ya ... "we the people" don't like parts of the Bible on public display, do we?
Who is it that points to these parts of the Bible on display and demands their removal?
LOL ... How about I go buy one with my own money and put it up on the courthouse lawn then?Are you intentionally misunderstanding me? I couldn’t care less about displays of the Bible (mine or yours), the Koran, the Vedas, or any religion so long as is doesn’t involve taxpayer’s money.
IN GOD WE TRUSTKeep the government out of the religion business.
A 62 year old candy bar? Yuk!And since the taxpayers already funded it back in the 1960's, why remove it today?
It's like buying a candy bar, bringing it home, and throwing it away.
By definition, nobody will be there, but that doesn't make an untestable hypothesis a belief.Who's gonna be there to test it, then?
Meaningful and meaningless are only relevant to conscious beings, as are qualitative values like 'better'. A universe without conscious beings has none of that.A universe with conscious beings is a better place than one without. One without conscious beings would be meaningless.
Interesting emotional tell... what about a warm meaningless place? would that be better?I think 'better' would be that there was meaning and the universe what not just a cold, meaningless place.
By definition, it aint no hypothesis then .. so what are you talking about there?By definition, nobody will be there, but that doesn't make an untestable hypothesis a belief.
I'm talking about hypotheses that conscious beings can have about universes without conscious beings. Like our hypotheses about our universe before consciousness arrived, or about hypothetical universes without conscious beings (in the multiverse, perhaps). They may or may not be untestable now, but if they're currently untestable that doesn't mean they always will be.By definition, it aint no hypothesis then .. so what are you talking about there?
So we're back to mind dependent hypotheses, followed by mind dependent tests then?I'm talking about hypotheses that conscious beings can have about universes without conscious beings.
Like our hypotheses about our universe before consciousness arrived, or about hypothetical universes without conscious beings (in the multiverse, perhaps).
Yes but the fact is we are here and we know about the difference conscious beings make compared to there not being any. I think with that knowledge we are justified in saying that a universe with conscious beings is better in some ways even considering the horrible stuff we do.Meaningful and meaningless are only relevant to conscious beings, as are qualitative values like 'better'. A universe without conscious beings has none of that.
I'm only going off what we know and experience. We can know what a universe without conscious beings would be like. Heck there's plenty of real estate out there with no intelligence. We may be the only ones so all we have to do is blot out the tiny bit we occupy.Not quite .. More like:
'A universe without conscious beings, is an untestable belief',
and therefore we can conclude that:
'One without conscious beings, would be anything that believer so chooses'.
Ya ... "we the people" don't like parts of the Bible on public display, do we?
Who is it that points to these parts of the Bible on display and demands their removal?
Then why did they do it in the first place?But when the local court puts a tax-payer funded piece of carved stone with the ten commandments engraved on them, then there is a problem. Why? Because it violates the First Amendment.
Well I guess we would have to ask conscious beings what that means exactly. Could mean a number of things.Why is a universe with humans and meaning "better" than a universe without them?
It doesn't matter what information means only that there would be additional information that exceeds the universe without life.And you said, "That the universe can produce intelligent conscious life is on another level information wise." In that sentence, what do you mean by "information"?