What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[fhansen]

Nah, the will of God is all, mans will becomes non existent.

God, since Eden, has allowed man the freedom to oppose His own will. Unless created beings have that very freedom, sin/evil would not even be possible.

 

[servant7777]

God, since Eden, has allowed man the freedom to oppose His own will. Unless created beings have that very freedom, sin/evil would not even be possible.

A new thread I made just now, for Gods words put in our mouth, otherwise we speak our own words unlike Christ.

 

[ozso]

A new thread I made just now, for Gods words put in our mouth, otherwise we speak our own words unlike Christ.

Could you post a link or at least the title of it?

 

[servant7777]

Could you post a link or at least the title of it?

Every thread I made has been on the salvation forum. It is the only one I posted today ( and will be my last on the forum, I think.)

 

[Soyeong]

Christ obeyed the Law because His People couldnt, now that He did that, His People do obey the Law by Faith. I have kept every commandment of the Law that Christ kept, because He did it for me, and for all His People. You ready to stand before God to plead your obedience to the Law ? I feel for you !

Nowhere does the Bible say that Christ obeyed the law because His people couldn't, but rather God said that His law is not too difficult for us to obey (Deuteronomy 30:11-14). Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus walked in obedience the law for us so that we wouldn't have to follow him, but rather it instructs us to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Jesus began his ministry the Gospel message calling for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, not calling for people to stop repenting because he obeyed the law for them. The way to have faith in God to rightly guide us is not by refusing to follow his guidance. It is far better to please our faithful obedience before God than to please faithless disobedience.

In Acts 2:38, Peter called for his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin. If Jesus had obeyed the law for them, then why do you think that he did not call for his audience to continue to live in sin and to refuse to repent?

 

[Brightfame52]

Nowhere does the Bible say that Christ obeyed the law because His people couldn't, but rather God said that His law is not too difficult for us to obey (Deuteronomy 30:11-14). Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus walked in obedience the law for us so that we wouldn't have to follow him, but rather it instructs us to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Jesus began his ministry the Gospel message calling for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, not calling for people to stop repenting because he obeyed the law for them. The way to have faith in God to rightly guide us is not by refusing to follow his guidance. It is far better to please our faithful obedience before God than to please faithless disobedience.

In Acts 2:38, Peter called for his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin. If Jesus had obeyed the law for them, then why do you think that he did not call for his audience to continue to live in sin and to refuse to repent?

Okay, Good luck with your law keeping. I have Christs law keeping righteousness imputed to me.

 

[fhansen]

Okay, Good luck with your law keeping. I have Christs law keeping righteousness imputed to me.

What you should have is the seed of Christ's law keeping righteousness sown in you. That life-giving law keeping Spirit, apart from the law, is why/how we're kept from condemnation.

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:1-4

 

[Brightfame52]

What you should have is the seed of Christ's law keeping righteousness sown in you. That life-giving law keeping Spirit, apart from the law, is why/how we're kept from condemnation.

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:1-4

It has nothing to do with what is in me. The law keeping righteousness is imputed to God's Elect. It is a legal transaction. We have the Spirit in us yet He causes us to look to Christ!

 

[fhansen]

It has nothing to do with what is in me. The law keeping righteousness is imputed to God's Elect. It is a legal transaction. We have the Spirit in us yet He causes us to look to Christ!

No its, not. If you want to think of that as the forgiveness and remission of sins, that we're acquitted and declared righteous, fine. But the new covenant is also about God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, giving us new hearts. And Paul and others speak in many places about this new righteousness given, for which we're responsible to act upon and express. We must do good, act righteously, overcome sin, forgive others, obey the law, be holy, love, in order to gain eternal life.

 

[Brightfame52]

No its, not. If you want to think of that as the forgiveness and remission of sins, that we're acquitted and declared righteous, fine. But the new covenant is also about God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, giving us new hearts. And Paul and others speak in many places about this new righteousness given, for which we're responsible to act upon and express. We must do good, act righteously, overcome sin, forgive others, obey the law, be holy, love, in order to gain eternal life.

Yes it is.

 

[fhansen]

Yes it is.

Only if we choose to ignore God's word.

 

[Soyeong]

Okay, Good luck with your law keeping. I have Christs law keeping righteousness imputed to me.

Christ expressed His righteousness through living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we are imputed with his righteousness. You seem to want the gift of Christ's righteousness imputed onto you, but you want nothing to to do with the gift of living as someone that the righteousness of Christ has been imputed to, as if you see righteousness as somehow being a negative thing.

James 2:14-20 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?

 

[Brightfame52]

Only if we choose to ignore God's word.

Has nothing to do with what you do.

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ expressed His righteousness through living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we are imputed with his righteousness. You seem to want the gift of Christ's righteousness imputed onto you, but you want nothing to to do with the gift of living as someone that the righteousness of Christ has been imputed to, as if you see righteousness as somehow being a negative thing.

James 2:14-20 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?

You insist on your own righteousness, see you at the judgment, I feel for you

 

[fhansen]

Has nothing to do with what you do.

Of course it does, beginning with our faith, which is both a gift and a choice. Then we must choose daily to pick up our cross and follow Him, born out by the way we live our lives, our fruit, what we do -with the grace given.

 

[Soyeong]

You insist on your own righteousness, see you at the judgment, I feel for you

Relying on what God has instructed is relying on God, not on ourselves, so I insist on God's righteousness while you reject it as if God were misleading us by giving His law. Do you think that God wants His commands to be obeyed or not?

 

[mndgn.j]

Along with the other verses in my post, it certainly shows the seriousness of sin after coming to faith, and that a believer can fall away. The early church understood this seriousness and, partially because of such passages, it was held that there was no hope for a believer after committing grave sin, "sin that leads to death".

However, in the first or second century Calistus, the bishop of Rome, ruled that this was a misunderstanding, that, knowing God's mercy and desire for all to be saved, all sin is forgivable with a truly changed and repentant heart, and that person could be reconciled and restored back to the fold. This was highly controversial back in that day, but became the norm in all of Christianity in the ensuing years.

Now we have the opposite issue due to novel gospels. Some theologies understand Sola Fide to mean that we're justified as long as we believe we're justified. IOW, as long as we believe that our sins have been forgiven due to Crist's sacrifice on the cross, then they are forgiven- kind of like having faith in our faith, sometimes called "fiduciary faith". Either way this notion serves to extract the righteousness straight out of righteousness. Actual righteousness is no longer necessary in order for a person to be righteous. Forgiveness of sin is all that matters, not the overcoming of it. Ridiculous.

Forget religious texts friend. the truth is Gods word. The overcoming of sin is through faith in jesus christ. He is the atonement for our sin. I recommend you read romans with an open and humble heart.
romans 3:19-31

 

[fhansen]

Forget religious texts friend. the truth is Gods word. The overcoming of sin is through faith in jesus christ. He is the atonement for our sin. I recommend you read romans with an open and humble heart.
romans 3:19-31

And God's word is misinterpreted all the time, as it has been by yourself and those whose private interpretations you've bought into-teachings which became traditions of men. Religious texts may well convey the correct meaning of Scripture, sometimes clarifying it where controversies naturally arise since Scripture can be vague and even ambiguous or seemingly contradictory at times. Just as an individual may. But they have to know it. And it helps to know what Christ's church has always taught. Friend.

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course it does, beginning with our faith, which is both a gift and a choice. Then we must choose daily to pick up our cross and follow Him, born out by the way we live our lives, our fruit, what we do -with the grace given.

No it doesnt. Thats self-righteousness, God not imputing sin, and God imputing righteousness has nothing whatsoever a sinner does, its solely based on Christ !

 

[Brightfame52]

Relying on what God has instructed is relying on God, not on ourselves, so I insist on God's righteousness while you reject it as if God were misleading us by giving His law. Do you think that God wants His commands to be obeyed or not?

Yes you relying on your own righteousness. The person of faith rests in Christs righteousness imputed as a free gift by grace. Rom 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

This gift of righteousness fars excels your self righteousness, and God will accept it over your self righteousness. Good luck with that in the day of Judgment my friend