Why do catholics pray to Mary

[Landon Caeli]

Interestingly, I cannot locate any use of the word "anathema" in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Perhaps others here can provide references to it from the Catechism.

There are, however, at least four mentions of "excommunication" that I was able to locate. I think the first is probably most helpful.

1463 Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them. In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication.

The 1917 Code of Cannon law states that excommunication is also called anathema:
Can. par. 1. Excommunicatio est censura qua quis communione fidelium cum effectibus qui in canonibus, qui sequuntur, enumerantur, quique separari nequeunt.

par. 2. Dicitur quoque praesertim si cum sollemnitatibus infligatur quae in Pontificali Romano describuntur.

Translated into English:
Can. 2257. Par. 1. Excommunication is a censure by which one is excluded from the communion of the faithful with the effects which are enumerated in the following canons, and which cannot be separated.

match 2. It is also called anathema, especially if it is inflicted with the solemnities described in the Roman Pontifical.

CIC 1917: text - IntraText CT

 

[Landon Caeli]

Pope John Paul II dedicated himself totally to Mary. This meant that he put Mary above Christ. When he died, and Pope Benedict was elected, he dedicated not only himself, but the whole world to Mary. Because the Pope is the arbiter of Catholic doctrine, and is infallible when he sets doctrine, then the Catholic church is totally devoted to Mary and puts her above Christ.
What was the nature of Pope St. John Paul II's devotion to Our Lady? - Catholic Straight Answers
Pray to Virgin Mary as ‘Queen of the Family,’ Pope Benedict tells Malta

What does it mean to dedicate one's self? What does it mean to dedicate the world? And why is it neither article contains the word "dedicate", nor suggests that anyone dedicated themselves or the world to Mary?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

good grief, please focus on the topic.

It is on topic. It is about devotion and praying to Mary. I suspect that anything you don't agree with you would say is off topic. Also, just because you don't agree with something, it doesn't mean that it is in error. But then I get my information from real Bible teachers who put the Bible above Church tradition.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What does it mean to dedicate one's self? What does it mean to dedicate the world? And why is it neither article contains the word "dedicate", nor suggests that anyone dedicated themselves or the world to Mary?

John Paul II consecrated the whole world to Mary in 1984. Here is the link:
Consecration of the World to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

You have to read down into the article to view it. Pope Francis, in consecrating Russia and Ukraine to Mary is following in John Paul II's footsteps.

 

[concretecamper]

It is on topic. It is about devotion and praying to Mary. I suspect that anything you don't agree with you would say is off topic. Also, just because you don't agree with something, it doesn't mean that it is in error. But then I get my information from real Bible teachers who put the Bible above Church tradition.

you have proved again you have no idea what His Church teaches. Please stop

 

[bbbbbbb]

The 1917 Code of Cannon law states that excommunication is also called anathema:
Can. par. 1. Excommunicatio est censura qua quis communione fidelium cum effectibus qui in canonibus, qui sequuntur, enumerantur, quique separari nequeunt.

par. 2. Dicitur quoque praesertim si cum sollemnitatibus infligatur quae in Pontificali Romano describuntur.

Translated into English:
Can. 2257. Par. 1. Excommunication is a censure by which one is excluded from the communion of the faithful with the effects which are enumerated in the following canons, and which cannot be separated.

match 2. It is also called anathema, especially if it is inflicted with the solemnities described in the Roman Pontifical.

CIC 1917: text - IntraText CT

Thanks. Although I am not a Latin scholar, I do not follow the translation of #2, not observing "anathema" in the sentence. Interestingly, Latin simply borrowed the word from the Greek language as it does not have any word which carries the same meaning.

 

[Landon Caeli]

John Paul II consecrated the whole world to Mary in 1984. Here is the link:
Consecration of the World to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

You have to read down into the article to view it. Pope Francis, in consecrating Russia and Ukraine to Mary is following in John Paul II's footsteps.

Oh, you mean consecrate. That's different than dedicate.

A consecration is a kind of blessing.

 

[Valletta]

It is on topic. It is about devotion and praying to Mary. I suspect that anything you don't agree with you would say is off topic. Also, just because you don't agree with something, it doesn't mean that it is in error. But then I get my information from real Bible teachers who put the Bible above Church tradition.

Realize how important it was for Catholics to compile the Bible. There were readings at Catholic masses that differed, and Catholics wanted only the Word of God as mass readings. The process of choosing the 73 books of the Bible spanned centuries. When the books of the Bible were established by the Catholic Church in the late 300s, the Word of God that was previously passed down through the Apostles and popes was not cast aside. We stand by all of the teachings of Jesus, whether transmitted orally or written down.
While your teachers and their speculations of the Bible may be well intentioned, the Church follows the teachings of Jesus that have been passed down for almost 2000 years. You seem to have rejected the teaching that we all can pray for one another, don't forget the Psalms where we address the angels in Heaven.
God allows our prayers to be heard by those members of His Church in Heaven, God works through them just as God worked miracles through the Apostles. God did not have to heal people through the Apostles or spread the Gospel through them just as God does not have to work through the Saints in Heaven. Nor did God have to create the Davidic kingdom where the mother of the king, beginning with Solomon, made requests of the king.

 

[prodromos]

Catholic dogma states that the Pope is the vicar of Christ for all Christians everywhere.

Citation please.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Citation please.

Vicar of Christ
What this means is that because Christ has given His power and authority to the Pope, every person who receives Christ as Saviour must recognise the Pope as the one who represents Christ on earth.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

For Roman Catholics, Mary is the only one who can save them from their sins and eternity in hell. God has to do what Mary tells him to do. This means that Mary is the only one who determines who gets mercy. So it is important for Catholics to always be in well with Mary.

 

[Valletta]

For Roman Catholics, Mary is the only one who can save them from their sins and eternity in hell. God has to do what Mary tells him to do. This means that Mary is the only one who determines who gets mercy. So it is important for Catholics to always be in well with Mary.

I'm a Catholic, not a Roman Catholic, and please don't spread false stories about the teachings of Christ's Catholic Church. I'm always glad to discuss Christian theology with my brothers and sisters in Christ, but if you are serious then I strongly suggest you quote the Catholic Catechism Catechism of the Catholic Church instead of someone's rendition of the teachings of the Catholic Church. As I said, in the Davidic kingdom in the Bible, starting with Solomon, the mother of the king (the queen mother) makes requests of the king. Rather than rely on what your teachers tell you, read about the wedding at Cana in the Bible. What does Jesus say in response to Mary's request? Then what does Mary say? And finally, why does Jesus then perform His first public miracle?

 

[prodromos]

Vicar of Christ
What this means is that because Christ has given His power and authority to the Pope, every person who receives Christ as Saviour must recognise the Pope as the one who represents Christ on earth.

Your 'summary' does not match the link. I asked for a citation, not your opinion.

 

[prodromos]

For Roman Catholics, Mary is the only one who can save them from their sins and eternity in hell. God has to do what Mary tells him to do. This means that Mary is the only one who determines who gets mercy. So it is important for Catholics to always be in well with Mary.

I'm not Catholic and yet I know that that what you have posted here is completely false with regards to Catholic dogma.

 

[prodromos]

The 1917 Code of Cannon law states that excommunication is also called anathema:
Can. par. 1. Excommunicatio est censura qua quis communione fidelium cum effectibus qui in canonibus, qui sequuntur, enumerantur, quique separari nequeunt.

par. 2. Dicitur quoque praesertim si cum sollemnitatibus infligatur quae in Pontificali Romano describuntur.

Translated into English:
Can. 2257. Par. 1. Excommunication is a censure by which one is excluded from the communion of the faithful with the effects which are enumerated in the following canons, and which cannot be separated.

match 2. It is also called anathema, especially if it is inflicted with the solemnities described in the Roman Pontifical.

CIC 1917: text - IntraText CT

For some reason your copy/paste didn't copy the word "anathema" from the link.

 

[Landon Caeli]

For some reason your copy/paste didn't copy the word "anathema" from the link.

I think I accidentally deleted it. Tiny smart phone, big thumbs.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Thanks. Although I am not a Latin scholar, I do not follow the translation of #2, not observing "anathema" in the sentence. Interestingly, Latin simply borrowed the word from the Greek language as it does not have any word which carries the same meaning.

Sorry, I accidentally deleted the word anathema. It's in the link though, and in the actual language used in Canon Law.

CIC 1917: text - IntraText CT
Can. 2257 Part 2.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The reason why Catholics aren't taught about anathema in the Catechism is because it's more the business of the Clergymen, just like the rules for Baptism, and the ecclesiastical procedures of the Mass are the business of the clergy.

"Anathema" has little to do with faith... As the Catechism is for explaining the faith.

...That's the difference between the Catechism and the Canon. And the Canon can be changed, because of the "keys" (to bind and loosen), whereas the teachings and faith described in the Catechism cannot, although it can be explained differently, but the meanings are the same.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Realize how important it was for Catholics to compile the Bible. There were readings at Catholic masses that differed, and Catholics wanted only the Word of God as mass readings. The process of choosing the 73 books of the Bible spanned centuries. When the books of the Bible were established by the Catholic Church in the late 300s, the Word of God that was previously passed down through the Apostles and popes was not cast aside. We stand by all of the teachings of Jesus, whether transmitted orally or written down.
While your teachers and their speculations of the Bible may be well intentioned, the Church follows the teachings of Jesus that have been passed down for almost 2000 years. You seem to have rejected the teaching that we all can pray for one another, don't forget the Psalms where we address the angels in Heaven.
God allows our prayers to be heard by those members of His Church in Heaven, God works through them just as God worked miracles through the Apostles. God did not have to heal people through the Apostles or spread the Gospel through them just as God does not have to work through the Saints in Heaven. Nor did God have to create the Davidic kingdom where the mother of the king, beginning with Solomon, made requests of the king.

I am unaware of any Psalms which are addressed to angels. Angels are mentioned, but as I understand the Psalms, most are addressed to God and some are not in prayer form at all, but are recitations of historic events or, like the Proverbs, instructions as in Psalm 119.

 

[Valletta]

I am unaware of any Psalms which are addressed to angels. Angels are mentioned, but as I understand the Psalms, most are addressed to God and some are not in prayer form at all, but are recitations of historic events or, like the Proverbs, instructions as in Psalm 119.

Psalm 103:20–21 “Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!”