Human Evolution

[AV1611VET]

I think God Sufficient is more likely than God Almighty. Why do you think God Almighty is more likely?

Merle, do you see what you're doing?

Try to look it if from our perspective.

You're invoking other "gods", giving them equal airtime with JEHOVAH, then expecting us to jettison ALL the "gods" from our belief.

That's how it usually goes.

Give Allah, Ahura Mazda, and Thor equal status with JEHOVAH, then throw them ALL out -- the baby with the bathwater.

And it probably bugs you that we won't -- doesn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

See my previous post-- Human Evolution post #512

I have a feeling you're confused.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I don't care if they're possible or not?

I'd like to know if YOU believe in them?

If you don't, is it okay with you if I don't either?

I think the Phillies are either going to win today, lose today, or the game will not finish. Do I believe they will win? Perhaps they will. I don't know.

Likewise, I think the universe could have been created by God, Hod or Nod. Do I believe it was Hod? I don't know.

 

[AV1611VET]

Likewise, I think the universe could have been created by God, Hod or Nod. Do I believe it was Hod? I don't know.

So you're admitting you're a polytheist?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Merle, do you see what you're doing?

Try to look it if from our perspective.

You're invoking other "gods", giving them equal airtime with JEHOVAH, then expecting us to jettison ALL the "gods" from our belief.

That's how it usually goes.

Give Allah, Ahura Mazda, and Thor equal status with JEHOVAH, then throw them ALL out -- the baby with the bathwater.

And it probably bugs you that we won't -- doesn't it?

Is Allah the same God as Jehovah? I heard that when missionaries go to Arab countries they tell the people in Arabic that Allah so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. Are all who accepted Allah's Son after hearing the message going to burn in hell forever because they used the wrong name for God?

 

[doubtingmerle]

So you're admitting you're a polytheist?

Nope, I'm a one-of-the-many-possible-sources-of-the-universe-ist.

Whoever done it, I pick that one.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I have a feeling you're confused.

I don't know.

That is better than, "I think I will just pretend I know", yes?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is Allah the same God as Jehovah?

If Allah is real -- (and I think he is) -- then Allah is a fallen angel.

I heard that when missionaries go to Arab countries they tell the people in Arabic that Allah so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son.

They're wrong, aren't they?

Are all who accepted Allah's Son after hearing the message going to burn in hell forever because they used the wrong name for God?

I'm not the judge.

But if you think Allah and JEHOVAH are one and the same, I challenge you to go over there and tell them that, and see if you don't come back in a body bag.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, I'm a one-of-the-many-possible-sources-of-the-universe-ist.

Whoever done it, I pick that one.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Who does science say did it?

 

[doubtingmerle]

If Allah is real -- (and I think he is) -- then Allah is a fallen angel.They're wrong, aren't they?I'm not the judge.

But if you think Allah and JEHOVAH are one and the same, I challenge you to go over there and tell them that, and see if you don't come back in a body bag.

So you need to use the right name for God or you burn in hell? The Hebrews used YHWH. I don't hear anybody using that one. Do we need to use that one?

Nobody even knows what vowels go in YHWH, so we need to guess. If you guess the wrong vowels, are you eternal toast?

 

[doubtingmerle]

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Who does science say did it?

Science doesn't claim to know the ultimate source of the universe. Many scientists are theists.

Science is quite definitive that the universe began with the Big Bang. Leading physicists think that the Big Bang was caused by cosmic inflation and quantum effects. But what caused inflation and quantum effects? Nobody knows.

 

[doubtingmerle]

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Nice to meet you, Genghis. Did anybody ever tell you that you look like Alfred E. Newman?

 

[Mark Quayle]

How many times would you like me to repeat, "I don't know"?

It might have been God; it might have been Hod; it might have been Nod.

Got it?

Slithery

 

[Mark Quayle]

Once again, I keep linking to the page that explains that Nod is possible-- The Problem with Nothing: Why The Indefensibility of Ex Nihilo Nihil Goes Wrong for Theists • Richard Carrier. Please let me know if you want me to give you this link a few dozen more times.

And Hod? Yes, very possible. He is much simpler than God, and would have all the power to create this universe. Why not?

Richard is not the one I'm talking to.

Hod? No, not possible. Demonstrate how Hod is possible. I have no wish to pursue Richard Carrier.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Why could there not be a God that has all the power to create the universe, but is not omnipotent?

But if you must distinguish the two, let's break it out into four options for the source of the universe: God Almighty, God Sufficient, Hod, and Nod.

God Almighty can do anything, including making 2 + 2 = 53,567. God Almighty can take just 2 horizontal lines and 2 vertical lines and make a 53,567-agon. God Sufficient could create our universe, but has his limits.

I think God Sufficient is more likely than God Almighty. Why do you think God Almighty is more likely?

A god? I'm not talking about a god. I'm talking about THE GOD. There is only one. Almighty. First Cause.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Hod? No, not possible. Demonstrate how Hod is possible. I have no wish to pursue Richard Carrier.

Demonstrate how God is possible.

Hod is lot simpler than God. So, if Hod is impossible, isn't God even more impossible?

 

[doubtingmerle]

A god? I'm not talking about a god. I'm talking about THE GOD. There is only one. Almighty. First Cause.

How do you know there is a God that can make 53,567 sided squares if he wanted to, but there is not a Hod?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Demonstrate how God is possible.

Hod is lot simpler than God. So, if Hod is impossible, isn't God even more impossible?

Demonstrate how God is at all impossible. God is necessary, or there would be no reality. Not even nothing.

 

[Mark Quayle]

How do you know there is a God that can make 53,567 sided squares if he wanted to, but there is not a Hod?

This still?

HELLO! I did NOT say God can do anything logically self-contradictory. I said that the logically self-contradictory cannot limit God. In fact, the logically self-contradictory can't even limit YOU! Helloooooo!

 

[doubtingmerle]

Demonstrate how God is at all impossible. God is necessary, or there would be no reality. Not even nothing.

i never said God is impossible.

Can you demonstrate Hod is impossible?