Saturday or Sunday Church?

[BNR32FAN]

The Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament which I have pointed out numerous times, so you can't say the Sabbath is not written in the New Covenant. You say the Old Testament laws are not in the New Testament, but these are not God's Words. If the Sabbath was deleted form God's New Covenant promise it's not something Jesus or the apostles knew about Jesus kept the Sabbath His whole life as did the apostles decades after Jesus ascended back to heaven and Jesus spoke of the Sabbath still being kept until His return and we see the Sabbath still being the Lords chosen day of worship after His return for the New Heaven and New Earth, just as God promised.

NEWSFLASH!! Jesus kept the ENTIRE Mosaic Law including circumcision and animal sacrifices so does that mean we have to keep the entire law as well since He kept it? According to your logic if we are to keep every law that Jesus kept then we would have to keep the entire Mosaic law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

NEWSFLASH!! Jesus kept the ENTIRE Mosaic Law including circumcision and animal sacrifices so does that mean we have to keep the entire law as well since He kept it? According to your logic if we are to keep every law that Jesus kept then we would have to keep the entire Mosaic law.

The animal sacrifice pointed to Jesus on the cross as He became our sacrifice for sin, which has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment other than we can repent directly to Jesus for the forgiveness of sin when we break His commandments which includes the Sabbath 4th commandment.

Circumcision is not about physical circumcision in the New Covenant.

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

By your theory we do not follow Jesus as the example who kept the Sabbath commandment and all of His Father's commandments or the apostles who kept the Sabbath commandment decades after Jesus rose and we can ignore 1 Peter 2:21-22, 1 John 2:6. There is no commandment for Sunday keeping, but there is for Sabbath keeping and all the 150+ scripture evidence on the Sabbath is not good enough, but the non-evidence on Sunday keeping is.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

We will have to agree to disagree and this gets sorted out soon enough.

Take care.

 

[Soyeong]

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to end any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins and what was written on crosses were the charges against the person being crucified (Matthew 27:37), the handwriting of ordinances that were against us was the list of sins that we have committed that was nailed to Christ's cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, which has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).

The Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 20 and are finger-written by God Exodus 31:18, not handwritten. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. Holy, just, and not burdensome is not an ordinance that is against us. The Sabbath commandment is blessed, holy, sacntified and the one God said “remember”. So if there is one commandment that we can forget, it is certainly not the holy day of our Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13 Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20

God made a distinction on His laws…..

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

I think I have shared all I can with you. This is not a matter of being right or wrong, its a matter are we following the Truth in scriptures.

Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. John 17:17

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

All of God's commands have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or spoke them, both are God's word and are truth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here are God's Words:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Which is quoted verbatim from the Old Testament:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

These verses don’t support your position in any way shape or form. You could quote these verses in support of any and every single heresy that ever existed because it doesn’t specify exactly which laws He’s referring to. I don’t know why you keep posting these verses, they prove nothing.

 

[Soyeong]

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to end any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins and what was written on crosses were the charges against the person being crucified (Matthew 27:37), the handwriting of ordinances that were against us was the list of sins that we have committed that was nailed to Christ's cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, which has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).

The Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 20 and are finger-written by God Exodus 31:18, not handwritten. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. Holy, just, and not burdensome is not an ordinance that is against us. The Sabbath commandment is blessed, holy, sacntified and the one God said “remember”. So if there is one commandment that we can forget, it is certainly not the holy day of our Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13 Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20

God made a distinction on His laws…..

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

I think I have shared all I can with you. This is not a matter of being right or wrong, its a matter are we following the Truth in scriptures.

Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. John 17:17

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

All of God's commands have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or spoke them, both are God's word and are truth.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

These verses don’t support your position in any way shape or form. You could quote these verses in support of any and every single heresy that ever existed because it doesn’t specify exactly which laws He’s referring to. I don’t know why you keep posting these verses, they prove nothing.

When God said He writes our laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant, you have no evidence that it means all of the laws except the one He wrote with His own finger and asked us to Remember.

Our opinions, feelings and thoughts do not equal the scripture. I'm not sure what more God could have done for people to believe about the Sabbath, He literally spoke it and spelled it out with His own finger, but yet no evidence on Sunday keeping but is sufficient. I will leave this between you and God.

God bless.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to end any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins and what was written on crosses were the charges against the person being crucified (Matthew 27:37), the handwriting of ordinances that were against us was the list of sins that we have committed that was nailed to Christ's cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, which has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).

Do you still sacrifice animals for the forgiveness of sins, when Jesus died for our forgiveness of sins and sanctification when we repent and turn from sin to obedience to God? To me, when we still sacrifice animals, it is showing that the blood of Christ was not sufficient, when it is.

Hebrews 10 seems to disagree that we should still sacrifice animals.

Hebrews 10: 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Hebrews 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

All of God's commands have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or spoke them, both are God's word and are truth.

It appears God made the distinction between His commandments and all the other laws. God could have given all of the laws to be written by Moses, but God did not leaving it up to man to write His commandments on stone for their eternal nature and only kept the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the covenant whereas the law of Moses was written by Moses in a book and placed on the side of the ark. Everything God does is by divine design.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to end any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins and what was written on crosses were the charges against the person being crucified (Matthew 27:37), the handwriting of ordinances that were against us was the list of sins that we have committed that was nailed to Christ's cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, which has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).



All of God's commands have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or spoke them, both are God's word and are truth.

No one really knows exactly which 10 commandments were actually written on the stone tablets. It’s not stated in scripture.

 

[BNR32FAN]

When God said He writes our laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant, you have no evidence that it means all of the laws except the one He wrote with His own finger and asked us to Remember.

Please for the love of God show me where it specifically states which commandments were written on the stone tablets.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Please for the love of God show me where it specifically states which commandments were written on the stone tablets.

Exodus 31:18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

God said right in the Ten Commandments- showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6

You cannot say the commandments of God are not the Ten found in Exodus 20 because God Himself identified them as "His commandments" which is how they are referred to in the rest of scripture.

Which Jesus repeated almost verbatim If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 Jesus came to magnify His Fathers commandments Isaiah 42:21 which Jesus talks about quoting from the Ten Commandment. Matthew 5:19-30

Jesus again identifies the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 quoting directly from the Ten so your arguments not to be with me.

 

[Carl Emerson]

the Gospel of the Kingdom that was made known to advance to Abraham (Galatians 3:8), which means that God's law made known in advance to Abraham

That was His living Law, not the Written Law.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Exodus 31:18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

God said right in the Ten Commandments- showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6

You cannot say the commandments of God are not the Ten found in Exodus 20 because God Himself identified them as "His commandments" which is how they are referred to in the rest of scripture.

Which Jesus repeated almost verbatim If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 Jesus came to magnify His Fathers commandments Isaiah 42:21 which Jesus talks about quoting from the Ten Commandment. Matthew 5:19-30

Jesus again identifies the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 quoting directly from the Ten so your arguments appear to be with the scriptures.

Uhuh and how many commandments did God give Moses on My Sinai? It was a lot more than 10.


“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:3-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Nobody is disputing that honoring your mother & father is a commandment of God. This isn’t evidence that it was one of the Ten Commandments. Jesus didn’t say anything about this being one of the 10 commandments. It’s one of the 613 commandments.

 

[Carl Emerson]

No they are the same. The written Law remains due to unbelief. The area to which many are confused is that they want to treat the words Law, statutes, ordinances and judgements as synonyms. They are not.

OK this is the way I view it...

The living Law was given to Abraham by the Holy Spirit revealing the Gospel of righteousness by faith.

The written Law came later through Moses to bring conviction of sin.

The Old Covenant was binding on the Nation of Israel.

The New Covenant through the seed of Abraham (Jesus) brought the Law of the Spirit of life which is salvation by faith not works.

Abraham went out not knowing where he was going. We walk by faith and not by sight.

The Old Covenant ceased when the temple veil was ripped by God who desecrated the temple and removed the priestly authority which was now in Christ upon the priesthood of all believers.

The New Covenant has better promises and is the very voice of Jesus guiding us by His living Law in our hearts.

We are then no longer under the written Law but under grace yet working out our own salvation with fear and trembling as the indwelling Spirit of the Fear of the Lord constrains us to His Living Law.

There are spirits behind many on CF attempting to bind believers back to the obligations entered into by Israel under what is now a dead covenant.

 

[Soyeong]

No one really knows exactly which 10 commandments were actually written on the stone tablets. It’s not stated in scripture.

I don't see how there can be any confusion on that issue, especially when the other commandments are based on the five principles of the Ten Commandments.

 

[Leaf473]

If we love God, have faith in him to rightly guide us, and believe that His laws are for our own good in order to bless us, then we look for ways where we get to apply them to our lives.

Deuteronomy 23:1-3 "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. 2 “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord. 3 “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever,

This passage appears to make children responsible for the sins on their parents or to be cut off from the community through no fault of their own. However, there are some other verses that call that into question:

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

This is based off:

Deuteronomy 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Furthermore, Ruth the Moabite was welcomed into the assembly. Furthermore, eunuchs are also included:

Isaiah 56:4-7 For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, 5 I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. 6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant— 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”

Likewise, in Acts 8:27-40, an Ethiopian Eunuch was welcomed into the assembly.

So in regard to Deuteronomy 23:1-3, the assembly of God can't refer to the broad meaning of all of Israel, but refers to the governing assembly of the elders acting executive authority on behalf of the nation, such as in Exodus 12:21, Numbers 16:3, 27:2, 32:2, 35:12, 24-25, Judges 21:5-8, 1 Kings 12:3, 20, 2 Chronicles 23:2-3, Jeremiah 26:17, Ezekiel 16:40, Ezekiel 23:45-47, and Micah 2:5.

Ruth was one of the elders in the governing assembly of the acting executive authority on behalf of the nation? I find that difficult to believe.

But I can see the general approach you're using, and I agree:

When we encounter a law that seems odd for today, we look around at other scriptures to see how to implement that law.

I see that in Exodus 20, the Sabbath commandment talks about not doing "our" work. We know that we have been bought by God, we do not belong to ourselves. Therefore, the work that we do is God's work, not ours.

Then regarding the entire Torah, we can interpret it using this:
Galatians 5 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

When we love our neighbor, we fulfill all those other laws, usually without even realizing it! But I definitely agree with studying the law to gain wisdom.

Nice chatting with you, peace be with you.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Uhuh and how many commandments did God give Moses on My Sinai? It was a lot more than 10.

God gave laws, commandments statues, judgments and ordinances, not all on Mt Sinai. As I stated now probably a few times there are more laws than the Ten Commandments, but only the Ten Commandments was spoken by God, written by the finger of God on stone for its eternal nature and only the Ten Commandments are in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple that is also revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19

“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:3-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Nobody is disputing that honoring your mother & father is a commandment of God. This isn’t evidence that it was one of the Ten Commandments. Jesus didn’t say anything about this being one of the 10 commandments. It’s one of the 613 commandments.

Honor thy father and mother is one of Ten Commandments because God said so right in His Commandments and Jesus repeated it in Matthew 15:3-9 Exodus 20 and it is the first commandment with a promise Exodus 20:12 Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

I'm sorry, if this makes you deal with the Sabbath commandment which seems to be why people would rather discard all of the Ten Commandments all to avoid this one commandment- see the power of the Sabbath commandment- God said those who hallow it is a sign between Him and His people. Ezekiel 20:20, Ezekiel 20:12 God said His Sabbath is holy and blessed and we should remember it to keep it holy, Exodus 20:8-11 so I am choosing to believe God's will for us, as I don’t think we should try to make God’s Word fit around our lifestyle, but we conform to His.

 

[Carl Emerson]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentile, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20, so teaching repentance and obedience to it is the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), which was the Gospel of the Kingdom that was made known to advance to Abraham (Galatians 3:8), which means that God's law made known in advance to Abraham, and it was because Abraham lived in accordance with it and busied his life spreading it that all of the promises were made to him and were brought about. The Kingdom of God is where we are being a blessing to others by multiplying the nature of God though teaching others to walk in God's way in obedience to His law. In Genesis 18:19, God's knew Abraham that he might teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that he has promised, namely in Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply his children as the starts of the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth shall be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, and in Deuteronomy 30:16, all of these promises were also fulfilled of his children being a blessing because they also walk in God's way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws.

In Galatians 3:26-29, being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is equated with being children of God in Christ through faith, in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works that he did, in 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God, and are thus also not children of Abraham because he walked in God's way by doing righteousness and taught his children to do that, in Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law, and in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, which was in obedience to God's law, so being children of Abraham being heirs to the promise, being children of God, being in Christ through faith, is all connected with be a blessing by spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom by teaching other to repent from their wickedness and to walk in God's way, and Jesus, who is the living embodiment of God's way (John 14:6), was sent as the ultimate fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness.

Genesis 12:1-5 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” 4 So Abram went, as the Lord had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people that they had acquired in Haran, and they set out to go to the land of Canaan.

The souls that they had made in Haran refers making converts. In Romans 9:6-8, not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, and it is not children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise. In other words, the nation that Abraham is the father of is a nation that is multiplied by making coverts through spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom by teaching people to walk in God's way in obedience to His law, which is teaching others to be children of the promise through faith. In Psalms 119:1-3, God's law is how the children of Abraham knew how live blessed lives by walking in God's way, so the way to fulfill the promise of being a blessing to the nations is by teaching the nations how to live blessed lives, which is spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. Abraham was justified through faith in the promises of God and He did not randomly pick Abraham to make those promises to, but only made the promises to him because he was busy teaching others how to walk in God's way in obedience to His law, which means that God's law was given to him before he was justified.

This is what I believe in summary.

The living Law was given to Abraham by the Holy Spirit revealing the Gospel of righteousness by faith.

The written Law came later through Moses to bring conviction of sin.

The Old Covenant was binding on the Nation of Israel.

The New Covenant through the seed of Abraham (Jesus) brought the Law of the Spirit of life which is salvation by faith not works.

Abraham went out not knowing where he was going. We walk by faith and not by sight.

The Old Covenant ceased when the temple veil was ripped by God who desecrated the temple and removed the priestly authority which was now in Christ upon the priesthood of all believers.

The New Covenant has better promises and is the very voice of Jesus guiding us by His living Law in our hearts.

We are then no longer under the written Law but under grace yet working out our own salvation with fear and trembling as the indwelling Spirit of the Fear of the Lord constrains us to His Living Law.

There are spirits behind many on CF attempting to bind believers back to the obligations entered into by Israel under what is now a dead covenant.

 

[HIM]

Uhuh and how many commandments did God give Moses on My Sinai? It was a lot more than 10.


“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:3-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Nobody is disputing that honoring your mother & father is a commandment of God. This isn’t evidence that it was one of the Ten Commandments. Jesus didn’t say anything about this being one of the 10 commandments. It’s one of the 613 commandments.

Do you make it up as you go or is there another that told you these answers.

Do you know that you are responsible for anything you teach and it is false? Even if you are only repeating something you heard.

 

[Leaf473]

I have addressed them by pointing out that new laws supersede old laws. So when Paul says that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord and says that we don’t have to keep the “Sabbath days” that overrules the Old Testament commandments you keep quoting. That’s like if I were to say that we don’t have to be circumcised because of Galatians 5 and Acts 15 then you start quoting the Levitican laws as evidence that we still have to be circumcised. Obviously Galatians and Acts overrule Leviticus when it comes to the New Covenant laws.

Myself, I see that as the apostles exercising their authority of binding and loosing. Also of declaring whose sins are forgiven or retained.

 

[Soyeong]

Ruth was one of the elders in the governing assembly of the acting executive authority on behalf of the nation? I find that difficult to believe.

Sorry for not being clear, I was not suggesting that she was one of the elders. The fact that Ruth was welcomed into the general assembly is part of the evidence that Deuteronomy 23:1-3 prohibiting of Moabites from entering into the assembly was not in regard to the general assembly, but was prohibiting Moabites from acting as elders in the governing assembly.

But I can see the general approach you're using, and I agree:

When we encounter a law that seems odd for today, we look around at other scriptures to see how to implement that law.

I see that in Exodus 20, the Sabbath commandment talks about not doing "our" work. We know that we have been bought by God, we do not belong to ourselves. Therefore, the work that we do is God's work, not ours.

While God commanded priests to rest on the Sabbath, He also commanded priests to offer sacrifices on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that priests were forced to sin by transgressing one of the two commandments no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent. This is also why it is lawful to circumcise a baby on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath or why it is lawful to get an ox or a child out of a ditch on the Sabbath. It is unlawful to do work on the Sabbath and healing is work, so some Pharisees had concluded that it was therefore unlawful to heal on the Sabbath, however, no command was intended to be understood as preventing us from obeying the greatest two commandments, which is why Jesus ruled that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. So some forms of work were never intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath.

Then regarding the entire Torah, we can interpret it using this:
Galatians 5 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

When we love our neighbor, we fulfill all those other laws, usually without even realizing it! But I definitely agree with studying the law to gain wisdom.

Nice chatting with you, peace be with you.

For example, it is not the case that if we love our neighbor, then we are somehow counted as obeying the command without realizing it. Rather, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, idolatry, theft, murder, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for God's other commands, so the command to love fulfills the other commands because it is inclusive of them and the other commands are examples of what it looks like to correctly obey the command to love. The greatest two commandments are a lot easier said than done, so thankfully God gave us all of the other commandments to paint us a picture of what that looks like.

The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of God's nature as it does to describe aspects of the the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), and it could not accurately be described as such if it didn't teach us how to express aspects of His nature. When we express an aspect of God's nature through our obedience to His law, we are expressing our love for that aspect of who God is, so all of the commands that God has chosen to give were specifically given for the purpose of teaching us how to love different aspects of His nature, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our love for God with our obedience to His commandments. For example, in 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, so by following those instructions we are expressing our love for God's holiness.