Saturday or Sunday Church?

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No, its people twisting Pauls words to their own destruction as warned by scripture 2 Peter 3:16.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and all of His Fathers commandments as our example. Luke 4:16, John 15:10, 1 Peter 2:22

We are told to keep the commandments of God in the New Testament and the Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God’s own finger, spoke by God’s own voice. Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:18,

The Sabbath is not the Sabbath of the Jews but of the Lord thy God in His own Words and God does not change.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Another passage I would highly recommend prayerfully reading is:

Salvation for the Gentiles
Isaiah 56: Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

When we get to the book of Revelation, we have a warning for those to come out of Babylon- which is the false teaching that have been handed down. We are told worship in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24. Don't worship in vain by keeping traditions over the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9 Only the Word of God is pure and the saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus until the very end. Revelation 14:12. All are invited -He who has an ear, let him hear

Ok you keep claiming that you keep God’s commandments so let’s see if that’s true. Do you keep all of these commandments? Do you keep any of these commandments?


“These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:6-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:19‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue. It shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot,”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:38-39‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths,”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:42‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day. Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:39-40‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“Of the first of your dough you shall lift up a cake as an offering; as the offering of the threshing floor, so you shall lift it up. From the first of your dough you shall give to the Lord an offering throughout your generations. ‘But when you unwittingly fail and do not observe all these commandments, which the Lord has spoken to Moses, even all that the Lord has commanded you through Moses, from the day when the Lord gave commandment and onward throughout your generations, then it shall be, if it is done unintentionally, without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one bull for a burnt offering, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, with its grain offering and its drink offering, according to the ordinance, and one male goat for a sin offering.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:20-24‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Now this shall be the priests’ due from the people, from those who offer a sacrifice, either an ox or a sheep, of which they shall give to the priest the shoulder and the two cheeks and the stomach.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““You shall charge the sons of Israel, that they bring you clear oil of beaten olives for the light, to make a lamp burn continually. In the tent of meeting, outside the veil which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall keep it in order from evening to morning before the Lord; it shall be a perpetual statute throughout their generations for the sons of Israel.”

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭27:20-21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭28:9-10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““You shall make a table of acacia wood, two cubits long and one cubit wide and one and a half cubits high. You shall overlay it with pure gold and make a gold border around it. You shall make for it a rim of a handbreadth around it; and you shall make a gold border for the rim around it. You shall make four gold rings for it and put rings on the four corners which are on its four feet. The rings shall be close to the rim as holders for the poles to carry the table. You shall make the poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold, so that with them the table may be carried. You shall make its dishes and its pans and its jars and its bowls with which to pour drink offerings; you shall make them of pure gold. You shall set the bread of the Presence on the table before Me at all times.”

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:23-30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:4-8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the Lord. Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the Lord for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine. Until this same day, until you have brought in the offering of your God, you shall eat neither bread nor roasted grain nor new growth. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. ‘You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. You shall bring in from your dwelling places two loaves of bread for a wave offering, made of two-tenths of an ephah; they shall be of a fine flour, baked with leaven as first fruits to the Lord. Along with the bread you shall present seven one year old male lambs without defect, and a bull of the herd and two rams; they are to be a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire of a soothing aroma to the Lord.”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:9-18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:24-25‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“‘Now as for the flesh of the sacrifice of his thanksgiving peace offerings, it shall be eaten on the day of his offering; he shall not leave any of it over until morning. But if the sacrifice of his offering is a votive or a freewill offering, it shall be eaten on the day that he offers his sacrifice, and on the next day what is left of it may be eaten; but what is left over from the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burned with fire. So if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings should ever be eaten on the third day, he who offers it will not be accepted, and it will not be reckoned to his benefit. It shall be an offensive thing, and the person who eats of it will bear his own iniquity. ‘Also the flesh that touches anything unclean shall not be eaten; it shall be burned with fire. As for other flesh, anyone who is clean may eat such flesh. But the person who eats the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings which belong to the Lord, in his uncleanness, that person shall be cut off from his people. When anyone touches anything unclean, whether human uncleanness, or an unclean animal, or any unclean detestable thing, and eats of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings which belong to the Lord, that person shall be cut off from his people.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭7:15-21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Three times in a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God in the place which He chooses, at the Feast of Unleavened Bread and at the Feast of Weeks and at the Feast of Booths, and they shall not appear before the Lord empty-handed. Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God which He has given you.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭16:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“‘Now if a woman has a discharge of her blood many days, not at the period of her menstrual impurity, or if she has a discharge beyond that period, all the days of her impure discharge she shall continue as though in her menstrual impurity; she is unclean. Any bed on which she lies all the days of her discharge shall be to her like her bed at menstruation; and every thing on which she sits shall be unclean, like her uncleanness at that time. Likewise, whoever touches them shall be unclean and shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. When she becomes clean from her discharge, she shall count off for herself seven days; and afterward she will be clean. Then on the eighth day she shall take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons and bring them in to the priest, to the doorway of the tent of meeting. The priest shall offer the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. So the priest shall make atonement on her behalf before the Lord because of her impure discharge.’”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭15:25-30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, saying: ‘When a woman gives birth and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean for seven days, as in the days of her menstruation she shall be unclean. On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Then she shall remain in the blood of her purification for thirty-three days; she shall not touch any consecrated thing, nor enter the sanctuary until the days of her purification are completed. But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean for two weeks, as in her menstruation; and she shall remain in the blood of her purification for sixty-six days. ‘When the days of her purification are completed, for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the doorway of the tent of meeting a one year old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering. Then he shall offer it before the Lord and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female. But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭12:2-8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And all this?


““This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, ‘Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭19:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


I’m just going to stop there since there’s no point in continuing unless you have kept all of these commandments of God.

 

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Ok you keep claiming that you keep God’s commandments so let’s see if that’s true. Do you keep all of these commandments? Do you keep any of these commandments?


“These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:6-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:19‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue. It shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot,”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:38-39‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths,”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:42‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day. Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:39-40‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“Of the first of your dough you shall lift up a cake as an offering; as the offering of the threshing floor, so you shall lift it up. From the first of your dough you shall give to the Lord an offering throughout your generations. ‘But when you unwittingly fail and do not observe all these commandments, which the Lord has spoken to Moses, even all that the Lord has commanded you through Moses, from the day when the Lord gave commandment and onward throughout your generations, then it shall be, if it is done unintentionally, without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one bull for a burnt offering, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, with its grain offering and its drink offering, according to the ordinance, and one male goat for a sin offering.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:20-24‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““Now this shall be the priests’ due from the people, from those who offer a sacrifice, either an ox or a sheep, of which they shall give to the priest the shoulder and the two cheeks and the stomach.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““You shall charge the sons of Israel, that they bring you clear oil of beaten olives for the light, to make a lamp burn continually. In the tent of meeting, outside the veil which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall keep it in order from evening to morning before the Lord; it shall be a perpetual statute throughout their generations for the sons of Israel.”

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭27:20-21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭28:9-10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


““You shall make a table of acacia wood, two cubits long and one cubit wide and one and a half cubits high. You shall overlay it with pure gold and make a gold border around it. You shall make for it a rim of a handbreadth around it; and you shall make a gold border for the rim around it. You shall make four gold rings for it and put rings on the four corners which are on its four feet. The rings shall be close to the rim as holders for the poles to carry the table. You shall make the poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold, so that with them the table may be carried. You shall make its dishes and its pans and its jars and its bowls with which to pour drink offerings; you shall make them of pure gold. You shall set the bread of the Presence on the table before Me at all times.”

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:23-30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


Have you done this?


“‘These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:4-8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the Lord. Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the Lord for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine. Until this same day, until you have brought in the offering of your God, you shall eat neither bread nor roasted grain nor new growth. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. ‘You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. You shall bring in from your dwelling places two loaves of bread for a wave offering, made of two-tenths of an ephah; they shall be of a fine flour, baked with leaven as first fruits to the Lord. Along with the bread you shall present seven one year old male lambs without defect, and a bull of the herd and two rams; they are to be a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire of a soothing aroma to the Lord.”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:9-18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23:24-25‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“‘Now as for the flesh of the sacrifice of his thanksgiving peace offerings, it shall be eaten on the day of his offering; he shall not leave any of it over until morning. But if the sacrifice of his offering is a votive or a freewill offering, it shall be eaten on the day that he offers his sacrifice, and on the next day what is left of it may be eaten; but what is left over from the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burned with fire. So if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings should ever be eaten on the third day, he who offers it will not be accepted, and it will not be reckoned to his benefit. It shall be an offensive thing, and the person who eats of it will bear his own iniquity. ‘Also the flesh that touches anything unclean shall not be eaten; it shall be burned with fire. As for other flesh, anyone who is clean may eat such flesh. But the person who eats the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings which belong to the Lord, in his uncleanness, that person shall be cut off from his people. When anyone touches anything unclean, whether human uncleanness, or an unclean animal, or any unclean detestable thing, and eats of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings which belong to the Lord, that person shall be cut off from his people.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭7:15-21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Three times in a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God in the place which He chooses, at the Feast of Unleavened Bread and at the Feast of Weeks and at the Feast of Booths, and they shall not appear before the Lord empty-handed. Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God which He has given you.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭16:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


“‘Now if a woman has a discharge of her blood many days, not at the period of her menstrual impurity, or if she has a discharge beyond that period, all the days of her impure discharge she shall continue as though in her menstrual impurity; she is unclean. Any bed on which she lies all the days of her discharge shall be to her like her bed at menstruation; and every thing on which she sits shall be unclean, like her uncleanness at that time. Likewise, whoever touches them shall be unclean and shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. When she becomes clean from her discharge, she shall count off for herself seven days; and afterward she will be clean. Then on the eighth day she shall take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons and bring them in to the priest, to the doorway of the tent of meeting. The priest shall offer the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. So the priest shall make atonement on her behalf before the Lord because of her impure discharge.’”

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭15:25-30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


““Speak to the sons of Israel, saying: ‘When a woman gives birth and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean for seven days, as in the days of her menstruation she shall be unclean. On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Then she shall remain in the blood of her purification for thirty-three days; she shall not touch any consecrated thing, nor enter the sanctuary until the days of her purification are completed. But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean for two weeks, as in her menstruation; and she shall remain in the blood of her purification for sixty-six days. ‘When the days of her purification are completed, for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the doorway of the tent of meeting a one year old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering. Then he shall offer it before the Lord and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female. But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’ ””

‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭12:2-8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And all this?


““This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, ‘Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed.”

‭‭Numbers‬ ‭19:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


And this?


I’m just going to stop there since there’s no point in continuing unless you have kept all of these commandments of God.

Hmmm, when you go in front of Jesus on judgement day, is Jesus going to ask you did SB keep my commandments, my statues, my judgement, my ordinances etc. or is Jesus going to ask you about your obedience to Him? My obedience to God is not going to change your obligation to God. We are not judged on a sliding scale. We are in the New Covenant and some of ordinances in the law of Moses ended Col 2:14 but the commandments of God has not. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Matthew 15:3-8. Matthew 19:17-19, James 2:10-12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14-15

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why would I kill an animal for the sacrifice of sins when Jesus took the place for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification in the New Covenant? Is Christ’s blood not sufficient?

Burnt offerings were offered on many different occasions that had nothing to do with sin offerings. If you didn’t know this then you weren’t actually keeping God’s commandments.

 

[Soyeong]

Surely we are not to keep the entire Torah, are we? Like, we wouldn't exclude someone from our assembly just because their parents weren't married.

If we love God, have faith in him to rightly guide us, and believe that His laws are for our own good in order to bless us, then we look for ways where we get to apply them to our lives.

Deuteronomy 23:1-3 "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. 2 “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord. 3 “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever,

This passage appears to make children responsible for the sins on their parents or to be cut off from the community through no fault of their own. However, there are some other verses that call that into question:

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

This is based off:

Deuteronomy 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Furthermore, Ruth the Moabite was welcomed into the assembly. Furthermore, eunuchs are also included:

Isaiah 56:4-7 For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, 5 I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. 6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant— 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”

Likewise, in Acts 8:27-40, an Ethiopian Eunuch was welcomed into the assembly.

So in regard to Deuteronomy 23:1-3, the assembly of God can't refer to the broad meaning of all of Israel, but refers to the governing assembly of the elders acting executive authority on behalf of the nation, such as in Exodus 12:21, Numbers 16:3, 27:2, 32:2, 35:12, 24-25, Judges 21:5-8, 1 Kings 12:3, 20, 2 Chronicles 23:2-3, Jeremiah 26:17, Ezekiel 16:40, Ezekiel 23:45-47, and Micah 2:5.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Burnt offerings were offered on many different occasions that had nothing to do with sin offerings. If you didn’t know this then you weren’t actually keeping God’s commandments.

I was talking about animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins which is what I posted.

There also seems to be some confusion on your part on the Ten Commandments. They are found in Exodus 20. Animal sacrifices all points to Jesus on the cross since He became our perfect sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins and sanctification and are not any of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments still has the same role in the New Covenant as it did in the old and that is to point out sin, so we know what not to break. Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. James quotes directly from the Ten saying if you break one you break them all James 2:10-12. Jesus said we should not break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30 The Sabbath started at Creation Genesis 2:1-3 and was God's perfect plan before sin. The Sabbath is a memorial to God's creation. Exodus 20:8-11 The burnt and animal offerings all started after sin, which is not really the topic of this thread and has nothing to do with our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law other than the Law of God, such as contrasting the Law of God with the law of sin in Romans 7:25. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that works of the law are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore works of the law do not refer to obedience to anything that God has commanded. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is of faith, and the Law of God that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-11. In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul spoke about the Book of the Law and contrasted it with works of the law. There is a curse for not relying on the Book of the Law (Deuteronomy 28), so those who instead rely on works of the law come under that curse. Furthermore, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Law of God, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the nations, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of Christ, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14). Furthermore, Christ set sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers how to follow God's law by word and by example, and people should be quicker to think that the book of Galatians makes no sense and that they must have misunderstood it than to think that it makes perfect sense to interpret it as Paul chastising them for following Christ. While Paul spoke against works of the law and the law of sin, he was a servant of God, so he never spoke against anyone obeying the Law of God.

The Psalms express an extremely positive view of the Law of God, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so everyone who considers the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of the Law of God, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22). For example, in Psalms 1:1-2, blessed are those who delight in the law of the Lord and who meditate on it day and night, so we can't believe in the truth of these words as Scripture while not allowing them to shape our view of the Law of God. Furthermore, the authors of the NT considered the Psalms to be Scripture, so they should be interpreted as though they were in complete agreement with everything said about the Law of God in them, and we should not superimpose onto them a negative view of the Law of God that is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture.

How do you account for Abraham - the father of all who have faith - justified before the Law was given.

I am beginning to think that the Written Law and the Living Law are being confused.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hmmm, when you go in front of Jesus on judgement day, is Jesus going to ask you did SB keep my commandments, my statues, my judgement, my ordinances etc. or is Jesus going to ask you about your obedience to Him? My obedience to God is not going to change your obligation to God. We are not judged on a sliding scale. We are in the New Covenant and some of ordinances in the law of Moses ended Col 2:14 but the commandments of God has not. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Matthew 15:3-8. Matthew 19:17-19, James 2:10-12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14-15

Some of the “ordinances” in the law of Moses have ended? Those weren’t ordinances those were commandments directly from God Himself, every one of them. Show me evidence anywhere in the Bible that these commandments have ended.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Some of the “ordinances” in the law of Moses have ended? Those weren’t ordinances those were commandments directly from God Himself, every one of them. Show me evidence anywhere in the Bible that these commandments have ended.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 20 and are finger-written by God Exodus 31:18, not handwritten. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. Holy, just, and not burdensome is not an ordinance that is against us. The Sabbath commandment is blessed, holy, sacntified and the one God said “remember”. So if there is one commandment that we can forget, it is certainly not the holy day of our Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13 Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20

God made a distinction on His laws…..

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

I think I have shared all I can with you. This is not a matter of being right or wrong, its a matter are we following the Truth in scriptures.

Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. John 17:17

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So all the commandments I quoted were ordinances that ended but not the dietary laws? Your being inconsistent in your argument. You say you keep God’s commandments, but when I quote some of them you say you don’t keep them and that they’ve ended but at the same time you say we have to observe the dietary laws. The commandments I quoted were commandments given directly by God Himself. They’re not ordinances. Ordinances were the laws that the Jews instituted in order to ensure that the commandments were kept. For example when God said that no work may be done on the Sabbath the Jews had to define what exactly was considered to be work. That’s why they rebuked Jesus for healing on the Sabbath because that was an ordinance they instituted and Jesus corrected them because it was not actually a commandment of God. I didn’t quote any ordinances I quoted commandments given directly from God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God made a distinction on His laws…..

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

Yes and notice the distinction in the verse you quoted

“after THEIR ordinances”

“and commandment which THE LORD commanded”

The ordinances were from man, the commandments were from God. So if your not keeping the commandments that I showed you then you need to get the log out of your eye before you can get the speck out of your friend’s eye. If you won’t keep all of God’s commandments you don’t have the right to act as if you keep all of His commandments and judge others for not keeping them. Matthew 7:1-5

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So all the commandments I quoted were ordinances that ended but not the dietary laws?

I never said that you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I did not go through your list and address each law. The topic of this thread is Saturday or Sunday worship and I have not seen any post from you that supports your position through scripture instead of providing scripture support it appears you want to discredit the plain word of God on His holy Sabbath day.

You say you keep God’s commandments, but when I quote some of them you say you don’t keep them and that they’ve ended but at the same time you say we have to observe the dietary laws. The commandments I quoted were commandments given directly by God Himself. They’re not ordinances. Ordinances were the laws that the Jews instituted in order to ensure that the commandments were kept. For example when God said that no work may be done on the Sabbath the Jews had to define what exactly was considered to be work. That’s why they rebuked Jesus for healing on the Sabbath because that was an ordinance they instituted and Jesus corrected them because it was not actually a commandment of God. I didn’t quote any ordinances I quoted commandments given directly from God.

You keep quoting laws that are not the Ten Commandments. Ordinances was given by God, but they are not in the same category as the Ten Commandments. God wrote ordinances, statues, judgements and commandments. All of the laws were given by God through Moses including the ordinances except God alone wrote and God alone spoke the Ten Commandments and the first four commandments are our moral obligation on how we are to worship God. The last 6 deal with love to our neighbor. The Ten Commandments written by the finger of God was placed inside the ark of the covenant in the most Holy of God’s Temple, which is also revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19 The law of Moses was handwritten by Moses and was placed outside the ark of the covenant. These two sets of laws- law of God and law of Moses serve different purposes.

The Jews were adding their own laws and there is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says one can’t do good on the Sabbath. Jesus never broke the Sabbath and it is not a sin to eat on the Sabbath or to do good.

You haven’t really addressed any of the scriptures I have presented and I haven’t seen any scripture you provided that support your position.

In the scriptures. . .

1. Which day does God call His holy day
2. Which day did God bless
3. Which day did God sanctify
4. Which day does God rest?
5. Which days does God work?
6. Which day did God command His people to keep holy?
7. Which days did God deem working days for. His people?
8. Which day will we be worshipping the Lord on the New Heaven and New Earth?
9. Which day is the commandment of God written by God’s own finger?
10. Which day did Jesus keep His whole life?

The answers to these questions scripture only supports the seventh day Sabbath and I believe we should not comprise God’s Word.

I’m going to sign off for now and everything shared is out of love. I wish you nothing but the best.

God bless

 

[Bob S]

All the explaining to try to get us to think we are under the Law, so that we too will observe a day that was set aside for only Israel. It is really so simple; Jesus came and fulfilled ALL the law and the act was done at Calvary where the new covenant began. It was not just what God had Moses write in the book of the law, it was the Law, every command God ever gave to Israel. Eph 2:15 explains it well. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

All of the ritual rules are no longer required for the Jews and never were for gentiles. John tells us we belong to the truth if we believe in Jesus and love others as He commanded. If there were/is more to it John would have mentioned it. So, who should we believe? John said believe and love, those old covenant Sabbath believers add all kinds of requirements. They all have a special formula in order to be saved and it has to do with works of the old covenant Law, something Paul wrote extensively about.

 

[Bob S]

SB, gather your manna in a double portion on the preparation day. There wasn't any manna on Sabbath. Not heeding those words from God was certainly a sin, you didn't gather food on the Sabbath. If it was not gathered on the preparation day they didn't eat, no excuses.

 

[HIM]

How do you account for Abraham - the father of all who have faith - justified before the Law was given.

I am beginning to think that the Written Law and the Living Law are being confused.

No they are the same. The written Law remains due to unbelief. The area to which many are confused is that they want to treat the words Law, statutes, ordinances and judgements as synonyms. They are not.

 

[HIM]

SB, gather your manna in a double portion on the preparation day. There wasn't any manna on Sabbath. Not heeding those words from God was certainly a sin, you didn't gather food on the Sabbath. If it was not gathered on the preparation day they didn't eat, no excuses.

Show where that is stated as a law.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I never said that you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I did not go through your list and address each law. The topic of this thread is Saturday or Sunday worship and I have not seen any post from you that supports your position through scripture instead of providing scripture support it appears you want to discredit the plain word of God on His holy Sabbath day.

I quoted the scriptures that support my position. You don’t think they support my position but the fact is I did provide scriptural evidence to support my position. As I’ve stated several times all of your evidence is coming from the OLD Testament from the OLD Covenant and my evidence is from the NEW Testament and the NEW Covenant. Old laws do not supersede the new laws.

Yes I’m stating commandments that are not the 10 commandments because you say we also have to keep the dietary laws which are also not the 10 commandments. This is the inconsistent I’ve been talking about. If you didn’t teach that we must keep the dietary laws then you would at least be consistent in saying that we have to keep the 10 commandments but because you say we must also keep the dietary laws because they are commandments of God now your being inconsistent because every commandment I quoted asking if you keep it was every bit a commandment of God just like the dietary laws. But you don’t keep those commandments even tho there is nothing in the New Testament saying that they have ended. Yesterday you quoted 2 Kings 17:34 and Colossians 2:14 saying that those “ordinances” have ended and I pointed out to you that in 2 Kings 17:34 there’s a very definite distinction between “their ordinances” (man’s ordinances) and the “commandments of The Lord” (commandments directly from God). The distinction is right there in the verse you quoted. And still you refuse to acknowledge that. You say that nothing in the New Testament indicates that the Sabbath has ended but nothing in the New Testament indicates that the commandments I listed have ended either and you don’t keep them. That’s your hypocrisy, your holding to a double standard by not being consistent in your argument. If your going to argue that the Sabbath is still in effect because it was not abolished in the New Testament then by that same logic you are obligated to keep every commandment of God that is not abolished in the New Testament. Instead what your doing is picking and choosing which commandments you want to keep and ignoring the rest and exalting yourself as being more righteous that other Christians who don’t keep the Sabbath by claiming that you keep His commandments when in reality you don’t. That’s why I quoted Matthew 7:1-5.

Another thing, when you quote verses saying “if you love Me you will keep my commandments” then tell people they aren’t keeping God’s commandments your essentially saying that we don’t love God. Christians don’t honor Jesus on Sunday to rebel against Him that’s just ignorant. If we wanted to rebel against Him we wouldn’t worship Him at all. Saying that worshipping on Sunday is an act of rebellion is a contradiction in terms. People don’t worship someone they are rebelling against that should be absolutely obvious, those are completely opposing actions.

 

[Soyeong]

How do you account for Abraham - the father of all who have faith - justified before the Law was given.

I am beginning to think that the Written Law and the Living Law are being confused.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentile, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20, so teaching repentance and obedience to it is the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), which was the Gospel of the Kingdom that was made known to advance to Abraham (Galatians 3:8), which means that God's law made known in advance to Abraham, and it was because Abraham lived in accordance with it and busied his life spreading it that all of the promises were made to him and were brought about. The Kingdom of God is where we are being a blessing to others by multiplying the nature of God though teaching others to walk in God's way in obedience to His law. In Genesis 18:19, God's knew Abraham that he might teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that he has promised, namely in Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply his children as the starts of the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth shall be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, and in Deuteronomy 30:16, all of these promises were also fulfilled of his children being a blessing because they also walk in God's way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws.

In Galatians 3:26-29, being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is equated with being children of God in Christ through faith, in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works that he did, in 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God, and are thus also not children of Abraham because he walked in God's way by doing righteousness and taught his children to do that, in Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law, and in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, which was in obedience to God's law, so being children of Abraham being heirs to the promise, being children of God, being in Christ through faith, is all connected with be a blessing by spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom by teaching other to repent from their wickedness and to walk in God's way, and Jesus, who is the living embodiment of God's way (John 14:6), was sent as the ultimate fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness.

Genesis 12:1-5 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” 4 So Abram went, as the Lord had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people that they had acquired in Haran, and they set out to go to the land of Canaan.

The souls that they had made in Haran refers making converts. In Romans 9:6-8, not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, and it is not children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise. In other words, the nation that Abraham is the father of is a nation that is multiplied by making coverts through spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom by teaching people to walk in God's way in obedience to His law, which is teaching others to be children of the promise through faith. In Psalms 119:1-3, God's law is how the children of Abraham knew how live blessed lives by walking in God's way, so the way to fulfill the promise of being a blessing to the nations is by teaching the nations how to live blessed lives, which is spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. Abraham was justified through faith in the promises of God and He did not randomly pick Abraham to make those promises to, but only made the promises to him because he was busy teaching others how to walk in God's way in obedience to His law, which means that God's law was given to him before he was justified.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You haven’t really addressed any of the scriptures I have presented and I haven’t seen any scripture you provided that support your position.

I have addressed them by pointing out that new laws supersede old laws. So when Paul says that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord and says that we don’t have to keep the “Sabbath days” that overrules the Old Testament commandments you keep quoting. That’s like if I were to say that we don’t have to be circumcised because of Galatians 5 and Acts 15 then you start quoting the Levitican laws as evidence that we still have to be circumcised. Obviously Galatians and Acts overrule Leviticus when it comes to the New Covenant laws.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I quoted the scriptures that support my position. You don’t think they support my position but the fact is I did provide scriptural evidence to support my position. As I’ve stated several times all of your evidence is coming from the OLD Testament from the OLD Covenant and my evidence is from the NEW Testament and the NEW Covenant. Old laws do not supersede the new laws.

Perhaps I missed the post that shows scripture support that the Sabbath was deleted as a commandment of God and now Sunday is God's new holy day. I have only seen to be honest opinions that is not equal to the clear Word of God.

God in the Old Testament is not different than the God in the New Testament so your argument here in my opinion about God's laws is not a strong case.

The Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament which I have pointed out numerous times, so you can't say the Sabbath is not written in the New Covenant. You say the Old Testament laws are not in the New Testament, but these are not God's Words. If the Sabbath was deleted form God's New Covenant promise it's not something Jesus or the apostles knew about Jesus kept the Sabbath His whole life as did the apostles decades after Jesus ascended back to heaven and Jesus spoke of the Sabbath still being kept until His return and we see the Sabbath still being the Lords chosen day of worship after His return for the New Heaven and New Earth, just as God promised.

Here are God's Words:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Which is quoted verbatim from the Old Testament:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

All of the commandments of God, which include God's Ten Commandments written by the finger of God is repeated in the New Covenant. Jesus came to do the will of His Father John 6:38 John 14:6 and is the Mediator of His Fathers covenant that God placed His laws in our hearts and minds, it would be very strange if that includes all of the laws except the one God said "remember" and is the holy day of the Lord Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 i.e. the Lord's day and the day that we see continue on as the day of worship for all eternity thus saith the Lord Isaiah 66:23. So instead of deleting the Ten Commandments, they live in our hearts and minds when we are following God's will for us through love and faith which is evidence through our actions. Jesus as our example to follow, kept His Fathers commandments Luke 4:16 John 15:10, 1 Peter 2:22 as did the apostles who kept the Sabbath because it is a commandment of God. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments Matthew 15:3-9, Matthew 5:19-30, Matthew 19:17-19, the New Testament is filled with references to keeping the Ten Commandments so we must not be reading the same bible.

Yes I’m stating commandments that are not the 10 commandments because you say we also have to keep the dietary laws which are also not the 10 commandments.

I am sorry I am not following your logic here. The dietary laws are not in the Ten Commandments, God made laws, commandments, judgements, ordinances and we should follow scripture. There is no scripture that shows the dietary laws ended and our bodies still require to be healthy from what we eat and not have sin enter as it is a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.

If you follow scripture, the only laws that show ending are the laws contained in ordinances, which is not the Ten Commandments, these laws all point to Christ and have to do with the sacrificial system for the forgiveness of sin. Why would we offer the blood of animals which is not perfect, when the blood of Christ is perfect for the forgiveness of sins when we repent and turn from sin and turn to God in obedience to Him. You can find these scriptures in Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 10 and referenced in other areas. There is no scripture that says God's Ten Commandments have ended instead they are revealed in heaven Revelation 11:19 under the mercy seat of Jesus Christ. God saying right in the Ten showing mercy to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Exodus 20:6

The Ten Commandments still plays the same role as it does in the Old Testament which it points out sin, so we know what not to break. Paul makes this point clear quoting directly from the Ten Commandments:

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” which is found in Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments.

This is the inconsistent I’ve been talking about. If you didn’t teach that we must keep the dietary laws then you would at least be consistent in saying that we have to keep the 10 commandments but because you say we must also keep the dietary laws because they are commandments of God now your being inconsistent because every commandment I quoted asking if you keep it was every bit a commandment of God just like the dietary laws. But you don’t keep those commandments even tho there is nothing in the New Testament saying that they have ended. Yesterday you quoted 2 Kings 17:34 and Colossians 2:14 saying that those “ordinances” have ended and I pointed out to you that in 2 Kings 17:34 there’s a very definite distinction between “their ordinances” (man’s ordinances) and the “commandments of The Lord” (commandments directly from God). The distinction is right there in the verse you quoted. And still you refuse to acknowledge that. You say that nothing in the New Testament indicates that the Sabbath has ended but nothing in the New Testament indicates that the commandments I listed have ended either and you don’t keep them. That’s your hypocrisy, your holding to a double standard by not being consistent in your argument. If your going to argue that the Sabbath is still in effect because it was not abolished in the New Testament then by that same logic you are obligated to keep every commandment of God that is not abolished in the New Testament. Instead what your doing is picking and choosing which commandments you want to keep and ignoring the rest and exalting yourself as being more righteous that other Christians who don’t keep the Sabbath by claiming that you keep His commandments when in reality you don’t. That’s why I quoted Matthew 7:1-5.

Do you believe we can worship other gods now in the new covenant, vain His holy name, bow to idols? Are we free to lie, steal, murder, covet etc. If you answer yes to any of these than I don't think I am the one being inconsistent with the Word of God. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 which was personally written by the finger of God Exodus 31:18 and James says you break one of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten you break them all James 2:10-12.

Another thing, when you quote verses saying “if you love Me you will keep my commandments” then tell people they aren’t keeping God’s commandments your essentially saying that we don’t love God. Christians don’t honor Jesus on Sunday to rebel against Him that’s just ignorant. If we wanted to rebel against Him we wouldn’t worship Him at all. Saying that worshipping on Sunday is an act of rebellion is a contradiction in terms. People don’t worship someone they are rebelling against that should be absolutely obvious, those are completely opposing actions.

I did not write the scriptures; these are the Words coming from God and Jesus. Jesus wants us filled up with His Word and when we obey God, we are showing Him that we place our trust in what He asks that it is for our own good, instead of trust in ourselves that we can define righteousness (right-doing) instead of allowing God to define what is righteous. Everything God has created; the devil has made a counterfeit. Our only shield to following God is through His Word. I asked you Ten questions in my previous post, and I see you did not respond to those questions. I would think it would be really important based on our discussion here.

I have never once judged you, its not my place to judge. We all have to stand in front of Jesus come judgment day 2 Corinthians 5:10, what man has to say doesn't matter, only the Word of God is what matters. We are being called out of Babylon out of our false teaching that have been handed down to us and we are receiving a warning that we should worship God in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and not worship in vain by obeying he teachings of man over the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9 Jesus is giving us a second chance and I would urge you to continue to seek His Truth through the scriptures. We should not harden our hearts the way the Israelites did Ezekiel 20:13 which is what Hebrews 4 is a call to keep the Sabbath for the people of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I have addressed them by pointing out that new laws supersede old laws. So when Paul says that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord and says that we don’t have to keep the “Sabbath days” that overrules the Old Testament commandments you keep quoting. That’s like if I were to say that we don’t have to be circumcised because of Galatians 5 and Acts 15 then you start quoting the Levitican laws as evidence that we still have to be circumcised. Obviously Galatians and Acts overrule Leviticus when it comes to the New Covenant laws.

Its fine I see no amount of scripture is going to convince you.

Paul said circumcision is nothing, uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 1 Cor 7:19 so Paul made a distinction between these laws.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God Exodus 20 despite one choosing to believe that and that's your free will.

I wish you the best.

God bless