SDA Basic Belief 27: God Will Give the Earth to Satan’s Angels

[Adventist Dissident]

The is simply non-responsive to the post you are quoting from ignoring the scriptures that are in disagreement with you in post # 330 and post # 331. Anyhow you are free to believe whatever you wish as that is between you and God. I was only sharing with you the context you were not considering in your earlier posts as a help to the discussion.

they are not in disagreement with me. I don't deny them, there is just more texts to look at that you left out. you are not looking at ALL the pieces of the puzzle so we are talking past each other. looking at your puzzle pieces while shouting at me that I am not look at your puzzle pieces dose not help you look at my puzzle pieces. so there is no point in talking with you. If I wanted to beat my head against a wall I just would stand up and go to the front of my house, but I don't want that kind of Pain and frustration, so I will not engage with you until you look at my puzzle pieces. Good day

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

From the 28 Basic Beliefs of the SDA

Seventh Day Adventist Basic Belief #27

Quote

“The Millenium and the End of Sin”

“The Millenium is the thousand year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged, the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend fro heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will
Jeremiah 4:23-26 ; Ezekiel 28:18-19 ; Malachi 4:1
I Corinthians 6:2-3 ; Revelation 20 ; Revelation 21:1-5

End Quote


I am baffled by the SDA claim that God will give the earth to demons during the Millennium. The usual interpretation of the Millennium is that Jesus Christ will reign on earth during that time. Instead, the SDA say that Satan will reign on earth during the Millennium but won’t have any humans to tempt or possess.

The scriptures they cite are not much help. The words “Satan,” “devil” and “demon” do not appear in the books of Jeremiah, Ezekiel or Malachi. While the Basic Beliefs cite Malachi 4:1, if we keep reading we find:


“See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and
dreadful day of the LORD comes.
He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the
hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and
strike the land with a curse.”
Malachi 4:5-6 NIV

These are the last two verses in the Old Testament, and they point to the coming of Jesus Christ and His ministry.

The references to the New Testament don’t help much either. In I Corinthians 6: 2-3, Paul says that the saints will judge the world. I presume that this means that the saints will in some way assist Jesus in judging the world.

Revelation 20 and 21 contradict the SDA scenario instead of supporting it.

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil,
or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:2 NIV

Revelation 20 says that Satan will be “bound,” as in tied up, or chained, for a thousand years. There is nothing about Satan having the run of the earth during that time.

Moreover, Satan will once more deceive mortals and gather them for war when the Millenium is over. This wouldn’t be possible if there were no mortal people on earth to deceive.

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released
from his prison
and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of
the earth — Gog and Magog — to gather them for battle. In
number they are like the sand on the seashore.
They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded
the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came
down from heaven and devoured them.
Revelation 20:7-9 NIV

For the SDA interpreation of these two chapters to work, Jesus would have to return, gather the righteous and take them to heaven. At the same time, Jesus would have to destroy or slay everyone who is unsaved. Then, after conquering the earth, Jesus would have to go back to heaven and leave the earth to the demons. This last point isn’t consistent with Satan being “bound.” None of this is spelled out in Revelation 20-21, or even consistent with it.


Link to 28 Basic Beliefs of the Seventh Day Adventist Church
https://szu.adventist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/28_Beliefs.pdf

The nature of deception is that what is taught is 90% true in order to suck people in, and then once they are hooked, they are fed the 10% Scripture misquotes and lies. The deception is that people will think that because a teacher has taught the 90% which they know is true, then the other 10% has to be true as well.

Scripture interprets Scripture. An obscure text is interpreted by other clear texts in the Bible. Also, Scripture doesn't contradict itself, as the post shows - that Christ will reign during the 1000 years, with the devil and his angels chained up for that 1000 years and so the belief that the earth will be desolate and populated only by demons is contradictory to other clear texts, and there is no support anywhere else in the Bible for a desolate earth ruled by demons for 1000 years.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Then my earlier post to you was not deceptive was it.

is there a point to your post? or are you try to play a game of gotcha?

 

[Davy]

To believe there is "something" within us that never dies is to believe we are immortal.

No it doesn't mean that. That's just your opinion outside the Scriptures. The New Testament defines our spirit-soul being of Spirit, and not of flesh. Even in John 3 Lord Jesus Christ made this very plain when He said, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. Even Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 recognizes that our 'spirit' comes from God. It just didn't go into any further detail. But Jesus and Apostle Paul did go further in detail about our spirit and soul, and even what type body the resurrection body is. Even in 1 Kings 17 with Elijah praying for the soul of the child to return into his body is evidence of the soul not being a part of our flesh body.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

they are not in disagreement with me. I don't deny them, there is just more texts to look at that you left out. you are not looking at ALL the pieces of the puzzle so we are talking past each other. looking at your puzzle pieces while shouting at me that I am not look at your puzzle pieces dose not help you look at my puzzle pieces. so there is no point in talking with you. If I wanted to beat my head against a wall I just would stand up and go to the front of my house, but I don't want that kind of Pain and frustration, so I will not engage with you until you look at my puzzle pieces. Good day

Posts post # 330 and post # 331 and the scriptures provided in them are indeed in disagreement with you. These posts were a response to your claims in regards to 1 Thessalonians 4:14 "bring with him" which was in context to the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in Christ being caught up to the clouds with the living in Christ to meet the Lord and forever be with the Lord which is the context to "bring with him" you left out. My other post was a response to your other scripture claim to body, soul and spirit means something else other than what the scriptures and Hebrew and Greek language state they mean. No one is shouting at you so I do not know what you have even said this. You have only been provided scriptures that are in disagreement with you that for whatever reason you do not want to discuss. I am happy to discuss the detail and all other scriptures you might have but not I see no point if you are simply going to ignore the content of my posts that are being shared with you here.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I did not leave out any text. Posts post # 330 and post # 331 and the scriptures provided in them are indeed in disagreement with you. These posts were a response to your claims in regards to 1 Thessalonians 4:14 "bring with him" which was in context to the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in Christ being caught up to the clouds with the living in Christ to meet the Lord and forever be with the Lord which is the context to "bring with him" you left out. My other post was a response to your other scripture claim to body, soul and spirit means something else other than what the scriptures and Hebrew and Greek language state they mean. No one is shouting at you. You have only been provided scriptures that are in disagreement with you that for whatever reason you do not want to discuss.

your post ignored the text of Body, Soul & Spirit and Body & Soul. you just repeated what we already agree on, you did not address the area of disagreement.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

so lets try it again what do these text mean


1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28, “Do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

No it doesn't mean that. That's just your opinion outside the Scriptures. The New Testament defines our spirit-soul being of Spirit, and not of flesh. Even in John 3 Lord Jesus Christ made this very plain when He said, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. Even Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 recognizes that our 'spirit' comes from God. It just didn't go into any further detail. But Jesus and Apostle Paul did go further in detail about our spirit and soul, and even what type body the resurrection body is. Even in 1 Kings 17 with Elijah praying for the soul of the child to return into his body is evidence of the soul not being a part of our flesh body.

The fact that Jesus told the penitent thief, "Today, you will be with Me in Paradise" proves your point because the thief's body will be thrown into a communal grave to decompose back to dust, but the spirit/soul of the man will accompany Jesus to Paradise.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

your post ignored the text of Body, Soul & Spirit and Body & Soul. you just repeated what we already agree on, you did not address the area of disagreement.

No it did no such thing. Prove to me then how the context changes the word meaning of body soul and spirit from my earlier post shared with you from post # 331? - It doesn't.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Posts post # 330 and post # 331 and thyee scriptures provided in them are indeed in disagreement with you. These posts were a response to your claims in regards to 1 Thessalonians 4:14 "bring with him" which was in context to the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in Christ being caught up to the clouds with the living in Christ to meet the Lord and forever be with the Lord which is the context to "bring with him" you left out. My other post was a response to your other scripture claim to body, soul and spirit means something else other than what the scriptures and Hebrew and Greek language state they mean. No one is shouting at you so I do not know what you have even said this. You have only been provided scriptures that are in disagreement with you that for whatever reason you do not want to discuss. I am happy to discuss the detail and all other scriptures you might have but not I see no point if you are simply going to ignore the content of my posts that are being shared with you here.

yes you are shouting, you are in a particularly agressive mood tonight

 

[LoveGodsWord]

so lets try it again what do these text mean


1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28, “Do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Already responded to here in post # 331. I am still waiting for a response.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

yes you are shouting, you are in a particularly agressive mood tonight

I see and how so? Because I posted scripture that is in disagreement with you that you do not want to discuss with me? How do you say I am shouting at you when we are writing to each other? Sorry I am confused with what your claims and personal accusations here.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

yes you are shouting, you are in a particularly agressive mood tonight

There is the story of a preacher's notes being left behind in the pulpit after the morning service. The cleaner read through them and saw that some parts were underlined with marginal notes to lift hands here, take a few paces to the right there, and so on. One section was heavily underlined in red with the marginal note: "Shout for all you're worth. Argument very weak!"

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Already responded to here in post # 331. I am still waiting for a response.

you did not answer again, you quote a number of text that had nothing to do with it. This is game playing, that is all it is. I will not respond to you post. you did not explain what these text mean and how where fit into your view point. this is a simple question, you either know or don't. I am betting you don't know.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I see and how so? Because I posted scripture that is in disagreement with you that you do not want to discuss with me? How do you say I am shouting at you when we are writing to each other? Sorry I am confused with what your claims and personal accusations here.

you aren't addressing the subject and your are trying to correct, things not in error. while claiming victory.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

you did not answer again, you quote a number of text that had nothing to do with it. This is game playing, that is all it is. I will not respond to you post. you did not explain what these text mean and how where fit into your view point. this is a simple question, you either know or don't. I am betting you don't know.

Your post was indeed addressed in detail in post # 331. I am still waiting for a response. What do you think was not addressed?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

you aren't addressing the subject and your are trying to correct, things not in error. while claiming victory.

I did no such thing. Perhaps that is a misunderstanding your side.

 

[Davy]

Nope

According to the scriptures, the dead are in the grave/s, sepulchre/s, tomb/s, pit/s, hell [ie Hb: sheol; Gr: hades; grave]
....

None of that explains the following...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV


1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV


Luke 16:19-26
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
KJV


Luke 23:42-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, 'Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise.'
KJV

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

you did not answer again, you quote a number of text that had nothing to do with it. This is game playing, that is all it is. I will not respond to you post. you did not explain what these text mean and how where fit into your view point. this is a simple question, you either know or don't. I am betting you don't know.

I read through his very long and extensive post, and I failed to understand what his actual point was about man having or not having an immortal soul/spirit. He seemed to be implying that only born again believers have an immortal spirit, and that unconverted sinners will just cease to exist after death.

But this contradicts Peter who said that after Jesus died, he went down to Hades and preached to the souls in prison. The accepted interpretation is that Jesus went to proclaim His victory to those who died as the result of the Flood. These were unrepentant sinners, who according to our friend's implication should not have existed after they died in the Flood.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

so lets try it again what do these text mean

quoting text that are not 1 Thess 5:23 is not addressing 1 Thess 5:23, it is avoidence. quoting text other then Matt 10:28 is not addressing Matt. 10:28 it is avoiding the text. how do these fit into your view. They don't appear to. explaing what you do with them. and wishing them away is not an option, drowning them in a bunch of other text is not addressing them either. these are the texts that are causing the problem

1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28, “Do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”