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Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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I have never found a translation which used the words "new-renewed".

Look in the TS2009.


And the New Covenant is applied specifically to the "church" in the passage below.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in verse 18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion in verses 22-24.

This text shows a clear contrast between the two covenants, proving they are not one and the same.


Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


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None of that changes what is quoted in Hebrews 8 from Jeremiah 31.
 
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Look in the TS2009.




None of that changes what is quoted in Hebrews 8 from Jeremiah 31.

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:



The contrast between the two covenants is confirmed below by the Apostle Paul.


2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


Paul never said the covenant was "renewed".

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Brother, yes! However, the agreement between history and the word of God on the International Date Line, despite the misunderstanding of humans about the word of God, led me to the title of my book.



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guevaraj my man, based on our conversation here:
Are different Sabbaths true?

the location of Eden is:
31.7683 S and 146.7863 W

That's not on the international date line, is it? If it is, that would lend a lot of weight to keeping the Sabbath based on the IDL.

Peace, my brother!
 
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guevaraj my man, based on our conversation here: Are different Sabbaths true? the location of Eden is: 31.7683 S and 146.7863 W That's not on the international date line, is it? If it is, that would lend a lot of weight to keeping the Sabbath based on the IDL. Peace, my brother!
Brother, the reason the British were able to move the International Date Line (IDL) to the left is because hardly anyone lives there to protest the British giving Greenwich England prominence over God's prime meridian since the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week. Those who hold on to the rightmost bulge on the International Date Line are the ones with God's prime meridian to this day, as recorded on the Sabbath established at creation.

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the Sabbath established at creation.


The day was only a "shadow" of the One who existed before the creation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;

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The day was only a "shadow" of the One who existed before the creation.
Brother, read on and you will see that Paul is talking about human rules and not God's rules.

You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires. (Colossians 2:20-23 NLT)​

God calls us through Paul to keep the true Sabbath of God rescued from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua in the new covenant. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna! They kept a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning, which was right in Eden, but not near the Promised Land. When they reached the Promised Land, they switched to a Sabbath from evening to evening, which is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of creation.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

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Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

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God calls us through Paul to keep the true Sabbath of God

The 4th commandment was the “sign” of the Sinai Covenant now found to be “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:13.


Paul revealed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29. Paul said the law was “added” 430 years “after” the promise made to Abraham “until” the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made. Jesus used the same word “until” in Matthew 5:17-18.


In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul told the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. Instead, we are come to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.



Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)


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The 4th commandment was the “sign” of the Sinai Covenant now found to be “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:13. Paul revealed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29. Paul said the law was “added” 430 years “after” the promise made to Abraham “until” the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made. Jesus used the same word “until” in Matthew 5:17-18. In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul told the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”. We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. Instead, we are come to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Brother, this next passage tells us two things: the animal sacrifices can "never" take away sin and sin is taken away by Jesus for "all" time, including the time when animal sacrifices were made.

Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. (Hebrews 10:11-12 NLT)​

What was a stand-in for the death of Jesus to forgive sins are the animal sacrifices and not the ten commandments that show our victory over sin. Jesus as our High Priest gives us as many opportunities as we need to grow, in obedience to the commandments. How a child learns to walk by getting up again and again until he doesn't fall down anymore. Let's hear it from Paul to see where people misunderstand Paul about what is "more glorious" in the new way, which remains forever.

He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant (Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple). This is a covenant not of written laws (an earthly temple copy with animal sacrifices), but of the Spirit (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). The old written covenant (an earthly temple copy with animal sacrifices) ends in death (condemnation); but under the new covenant (Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple), the Spirit gives life (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). The old way (animal sacrifices), with laws etched in stone (10 commandments), led to death (condemnation), though it began with such glory (righteousness) that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face (fading away). For his face shone with the glory (righteousness) of God, even though the brightness was already fading away (from Moses' face). Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory (righteousness) under the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? If the old way (animal sacrifices), which brings condemnation, was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), which makes us right with God! In fact, that first glory (10 commandments) was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory (11 commandments) of the new way (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness). So if the old way, which has been replaced (animal sacrifices), was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new (Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness), which remains forever! (2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NLT)​

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Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:



The contrast between the two covenants is confirmed below by the Apostle Paul.


2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


Paul never said the covenant was "renewed".

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We've been over neos-new -vs- kainos-renewed. Baseless claims and dependency on scholars and their translations do not overturn the Testimony of the Messiah which has already been posted and expounded to you in other places.

That being said, there are some other things about the renewed covenant with the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah:

Jeremiah 31:26-31 KJV
26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

1) Both houses shall be sown with the seed of man and the seed of beast: good luck with that if you do not believe the Prophets apply to you.

2) No more original sin doctrine. You ate the sour grape the first time you sinned willfully, just as we all do, and because of it our own teeth are set on edge: no more blaming Adam. See also Ezekiel 18 where this same proverb concerning the old time original sin doctrine is repeated, and that passage utterly refutes such doctrine, and even forbids it by the oath, "As I live, says the LORD God, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Yisrael".

3) Every one shall die for his own iniquity.

Moreover, that Paul knows the covenant is renewed, there is manifest evidence in other places: and we know he believes everything written in the Torah and Prophets if anyone actually believes what he testifies concerning himself.

Ezekiel 16, speaking of the abominations of Yerushalem, concludes by expounding the fact that the Most High is going to renew His covenant to what it was originally intended to be: and He does it through the Messiah in the Gospel accounts, through all his Testimony, with miracles also bearing witness.

Ezekiel 16:55-63 KJV
55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,
57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.
58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.
59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:
63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

This is contrasting Yerushalem of below with Yerushalem of above just as Paul is doing in Galatians 4. It is not His own covenant which will be annulled but her covenant, for He says, "your covenant", ("thy covenant", KJV), and why? because they did not properly understand the covenant for seeing and understanding all things as natural, outward, and physical in meaning.

And just as Paul says in Romans 7:14, the Torah is spiritual, and therefore the covenant is kainos-renewed, not something totally neos-brand new like an empty document where you get to come along and fill in the blanks with all your wishes, blessings, and promises for yourself while ignoring the Torah.
 
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Brother, the reason the British were able to move the International Date Line (IDL) to the left is because hardly anyone lives there to protest the British giving Greenwich England prominence over God's prime meridian since the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week. Those who hold on to the rightmost bulge on the International Date Line are the ones with God's prime meridian to this day, as recorded on the Sabbath established at creation.

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So... are you saying that the international date line used to be at 146.7863 W?
 
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So... are you saying that the international date line used to be at 146.7863 W?
Brother, yes! That is what the Sabbath in the first week of creation in Eden tells us, from morning to morning, with the Sabbath in the Promised Land, from evening to evening, that Jesus kept; verified in Hebrews 3 and 4, where we are told how not to enter the Sabbath for 40 years with Manna: doing what is right in Eden but not near the Promised Land. The correct understanding of the Sabbath makes us and God keep a 24-hour Sabbath. Unlike our tradition that has God keeping a 36-hour Sabbath, where it is Sabbath for some and not for others in the whole world at any given time.

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)

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Brother, yes! That is what the Sabbath in the first week of creation in Eden tells us, from morning to morning, with the Sabbath in the Promised Land, from evening to evening, that Jesus kept; verified in Hebrews 3 and 4, where we are told how not to enter the Sabbath for 40 years with Manna: doing what is right in Eden but not near the Promised Land. The correct understanding of the Sabbath makes us and God keep a 24-hour Sabbath. Unlike our tradition that has God keeping a 36-hour Sabbath, where it is Sabbath for some and not for others in the whole world at any given time.

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)

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Okay, but... In that case, it looks to me like an international date line at 146.7863 W doesn't support your method of calculating the sabbath, rather, it is a product of it.
 
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We've been over neos-new -vs- kainos-renewed. Baseless claims and dependency on scholars and their translations do not overturn the Testimony of the Messiah which has already been posted and expounded to you in other places.

That being said, there are some other things about the renewed covenant with the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah:

Jeremiah 31:26-31 KJV
26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

1) Both houses shall be sown with the seed of man and the seed of beast: good luck with that if you do not believe the Prophets apply to you.

2) No more original sin doctrine. You ate the sour grape the first time you sinned willfully, just as we all do, and because of it our own teeth are set on edge: no more blaming Adam. See also Ezekiel 18 where this same proverb concerning the old time original sin doctrine is repeated, and that passage utterly refutes such doctrine, and even forbids it by the oath, "As I live, says the LORD God, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Yisrael".

3) Every one shall die for his own iniquity.

Moreover, that Paul knows the covenant is renewed, there is manifest evidence in other places: and we know he believes everything written in the Torah and Prophets if anyone actually believes what he testifies concerning himself.

Ezekiel 16, speaking of the abominations of Yerushalem, concludes by expounding the fact that the Most High is going to renew His covenant to what it was originally intended to be: and He does it through the Messiah in the Gospel accounts, through all his Testimony, with miracles also bearing witness.

Ezekiel 16:55-63 KJV
55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,
57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.
58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.
59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:
63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

This is contrasting Yerushalem of below with Yerushalem of above just as Paul is doing in Galatians 4. It is not His own covenant which will be annulled but her covenant, for He says, "your covenant", ("thy covenant", KJV), and why? because they did not properly understand the covenant for seeing and understanding all things as natural, outward, and physical in meaning.

And just as Paul says in Romans 7:14, the Torah is spiritual, and therefore the covenant is kainos-renewed, not something totally neos-brand new like an empty document where you get to come along and fill in the blanks with all your wishes, blessings, and promises for yourself while ignoring the Torah.


What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon what Christ did at Calvary? _________ %

What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon his own works? ________ %


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What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon what Christ did at Calvary? _________ %

What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon his own works? ________ %


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What is the Gospel, the New Covenant
 
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What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon what Christ did at Calvary? _________ %

What percentage of a man's salvation is based upon his own works? ________ %


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What happened to the discussion about the passage you quoted to prove that you have a new covenant? You do not wish to discuss what the Prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel actually say about it? Gee, I wonder why... :D
 
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What happened to the discussion about the passage you quoted to prove that you have a new covenant? You do not wish to discuss what the Prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel actually say about it? Gee, I wonder why... :D

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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What is the Gospel, the New Covenant

It is the good news that the Messiah of Israel would spill out His blood at Calvary for a man who would deny Him three times before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crowed, and for the thief on the cross beside of Him, and for all the other sinners saved by His gift of Grace.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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We've been over this too: "the works of the law" are the physical, outward, natural minded understandings of the Torah which cannot please Elohim.

It isn't me who views the Torah in that way: I believe what Paul says when he says the Torah is spiritual in Romans 7:14, a statement both cited and quoted to you many times over.

I will take your response herein as very convincing evidence that you do not understand the "new covenant" which you claim for yourself.
 
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Okay, but... In that case, it looks to me like an international date line at 146.7863 W doesn't support your method of calculating the sabbath, rather, it is a product of it.
Brother, yes! The biblical Sabbath gives God's prime meridian regardless of the tradition of the week from the beginning. The agreement between the tradition of the week from the beginning and the biblical Sabbath has me wondering whether Judaism's tradition of the Sabbath is responsible for the right bulge in the International Date Line. The right bulge agrees with God's prime meridian to the present day before Judaism was troubled by the general agreement for the current site of the International Date Line, which does not make sense with their wrong view of the days of creation being from evening to evening when they are from morning to morning.

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I will take your response herein as very convincing evidence that you do not understand the "new covenant" which you claim for yourself.


Why did the Apostle Paul, who understood the law better than any of us, tell the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below?

What are the "two covenants" Paul is contrasting in the passage below?


Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

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