Yes, you can know the DAY and the HOUR of His Coming

[Deafsilence]

I think you should read that parable again. It does not say the goodman knew which hour the thief would come. Just the opposite, he had no way of knowing.

In the text is the big word "IF" the goodman had known in what watch (time of the day) the thief would come, the goodman could have been watching for the thief show up at that particular watch to thwart him.

The message is no one knows the day nor hour that Jesus will come for the resurrection/rapture event. So be ready. The resurrection/rapture event could happen anytime.


42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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My personal advice is not to try and figure out what year, or time of the year; what month, or time of the month; or holy day, etc....for the resurrection/rapture event.

We have enough information to know that it is going to happen in parable of the fig tee generation - to be encouraged by that parable.

Right it says IF. But the IF is saying that if the goodman knew what time the thief would come he would watch and wouldn't suffer his house to be broken up.

So go back and read it. When wouldn't the Thief be able to break up his house - is it when he would be watching or not watching? If you see the logic by the IF - it shows that if he were WATCHING and KNEW the time he wouldn't suffer his house. It doesn't say that you can't know the time. Why would Jesus give us a parable about knowing the TIME and WATCHING and then say to be as the goodman of the house and Watch if you couldn't know the time?

 

[Strong in Him]

Did Jesus say that He had the Father?

Jesus said that he and the Father are one, and later asked to be given the glory he had, with God, before the beginning of the world.

 

[Strong in Him]

No, it won't happen any moment. It will happen in 2040.

Which is quite a handy date for you, as it is unlikely that a) this forum would still be going and b) that anyone would remember and be able to call you out if you were found to be a false prophet.

What are you going to do if you're correct - gloat that you knew what you were talking about and that you worked it out by your own cleverness?
And that would benefit you, how?

 

[Strong in Him]

Why would Jesus give us a parable about knowing the TIME and WATCHING and then say to be as the goodman of the house and Watch if you couldn't know the time?

Why would Jesus give us several parables about being ready, the King returning unexpectedly and the bridegroom coming later than expected, if people COULD know the time?
Why would he have said "no one knows the day or hour"; are you saying that he was a liar or just trying to test us?

 

[Douggg]

So go back and read it. When wouldn't the Thief be able to break up his house - is it when he would be watching or not watching? If you see the logic by the IF - it shows that if he were WATCHING and KNEW the time he wouldn't suffer his house.

No, the logic is that he could not know the time. The thief comes at a time he thinks not.

 

[Deafsilence]

Which is quite a handy date for you, as it is unlikely that a) this forum would still be going and b) that anyone would remember and be able to call you out if you were found to be a false prophet.

What are you going to do if you're correct - gloat that you knew what you were talking about and that you worked it out by your own cleverness?
And that would benefit you, how?

If what I say is True, - it didn't originate with me.

 

[Deafsilence]

Why would Jesus give us several parables about being ready, the King returning unexpectedly and the bridegroom coming later than expected, if people COULD know the time?
Why would he have said "no one knows the day or hour"; are you saying that he was a liar or just trying to test us?

You are always supposed to be Ready. Just because one doesn't know the date doesn't mean that are not supposed to be Ready. I believe it will happen in 2040. It doesn't mean that if I decide to sit back and say the Lord is slack concerning His Coming that He wont take my life before then. You see then He would be coming as a Thief in the Night regardless if I'm not Ready - even if I knew the Day and hour.

 

[Strong in Him]

You are always supposed to be Ready. Just because one doesn't know the date doesn't mean that are not supposed to be Ready. I believe it will happen in 2040. It doesn't mean that if I decide to sit back and say the Lord is slack concerning His Coming that He wont take my life before then. You see then He would be coming as a Thief in the Night regardless if I'm not Ready - even if I knew the Day and hour.

I know we're always supposed to be ready.
That's precisely the point - shown in Jesus' parables - the Lord CAN return at any time. Maybe tomorrow; maybe 2050.

 

[Strong in Him]

If what I say is True, - it didn't originate with me.

The interpretation that we CAN know the day and hour, and teaching that the year is 2040, has entirely originated with you.

 

[Timtofly]

No, it won't happen any moment. It will happen in 2040. Jesus is not going to cheat man out of the word that was given that man would have 120 years. That 120 Jubilee cycle is ongoing.

The State of Israel today has nothing to do with the prophecies occurring in this dispensation that relate to Israel.

Jesus also said those days would be shortened. Jesus already cheated humans their time. What is this math of 120 x 50 even based on? You do not even count the first Lord's Day. There was already 1,000 years between the 6th day of creation, and when God planted the garden of Eden. 6,000 years goes from Adam's disobedience which was exactly 4,000 years from 30AD, the Cross. We only have about 7.5 years left of that 6,000 years.

 

[Timtofly]

No, the logic is that he could not know the time. The thief comes at a time he thinks not.

Amil still have to point out when the "Goodman" is no longer bound in their eschatology. How is that working out for them?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

To say that Jesus does not know the day or hour is to deny that he is GOD

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." If the text proves that men will know nothing of the period of the second advent, it also proves that angels will know nothing of it, and also that the Son will know nothing of it, till the event takes place! This position proves too much, therefore proves nothing to the point. Christ will know of the period of his second advent to this world. The holy angels who wait around the throne of Heaven to receive messages relative to the part they act in the salvation of men, will know of the time of this closing event of salvation. And so will the waiting, watching people of God understand.

An old English version of the passage reads, "But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." This is the correct reading, according to several of the ablest critics of the age. The word know is used in the same sense here that it is by Paul, in 1Cor.2:2: "For I determined not to know [make known] anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." Men will not make known the day and hour, angels will not make it known, neither will the Son; but the Father will make it known.

https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com...James White - The Second Coming of Christ.pdf

 

[Jipsah]

You are always supposed to be Ready.

Are you eady to leave tomorrow? Better be, because none of us is promised another living breath. Get hit by a bus tomorrow, you'd better have been ready then, not 20 years from now.

 

[Deafsilence]

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

To say that Jesus does not know the day or hour is to deny that he is GOD

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." If the text proves that men will know nothing of the period of the second advent, it also proves that angels will know nothing of it, and also that the Son will know nothing of it, till the event takes place! This position proves too much, therefore proves nothing to the point. Christ will know of the period of his second advent to this world. The holy angels who wait around the throne of Heaven to receive messages relative to the part they act in the salvation of men, will know of the time of this closing event of salvation. And so will the waiting, watching people of God understand.

An old English version of the passage reads, "But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." This is the correct reading, according to several of the ablest critics of the age. The word know is used in the same sense here that it is by Paul, in 1Cor.2:2: "For I determined not to know [make known] anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." Men will not make known the day and hour, angels will not make it known, neither will the Son; but the Father will make it known.

James White - The Second Coming of Christ.pdf

This is the same point I was trying to make. Thank you for this.

 

[Deafsilence]

Are you eady to leave tomorrow? Better be, because none of us is promised another living breath. Get hit by a bus tomorrow, you'd better have been ready then, not 20 years from now.

I was ready to leave yesterday. I'm a sinner. I know the Lord is just and righteous. I believe in His Mercy. I just want to be with Him.

 

[Deafsilence]

The interpretation that we CAN know the day and hour, and teaching that the year is 2040, has entirely originated with you.

Maybe here it has. But I know I'm not the only one that believes it.

Also regarding the verses consider the following:

Mat 24:48 'And, if that evil servant may say in his heart, My Lord doth delay to come,
Mat 24:49 and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken,
Mat 24:50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,

Now why would God be concerned about an Evil servant saying the Lord Delays His Coming if we are not supposed to know the day or the hour?

Also, if we not to know the day or the hour then how can the Lord arrive in a day or hour that evil servant doesn't expect if God is not holding anyone to an expected day or hour?

 

[Strong in Him]

Maybe here it has. But I know I'm not the only one that believes it.

That doesn't make it right.
Harold Camping's followers sold their possessions, being totally convinced that the Lord would return on a certain day and they would not need them after that time.
After that day came and went, they had to face the fact that were still here, and they had nothing.

Also regarding the verses consider the following:

Mat 24:48 'And, if that evil servant may say in his heart, My Lord doth delay to come,
Mat 24:49 and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken,
Mat 24:50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,

Now why would God be concerned about an Evil servant saying the Lord Delays His Coming if we are not supposed to know the day or the hour?

?? What's the problem?
The evil servant in the parable anticipated that his master would be away for a certain length of time - his master stayed away for longer than he had thought.
The early church believed that Jesus would return in their lifetime; they were wrong. The only difference was that they lived each day as if it were their last, continued to witness and spread the Gospel and do good. Whereas the servant in the parable seems to have thought "he's not coming back or he would have been here by now; who cares who I live and what I do?" THAT'S why he was punished, cut into pieces - his master DID return and found him living dishonourably, Matthew 24:51. If the wicked servant had known when his master was returning - if he knew the day and hour - he would have made sure he was on his best behaviour so that he didn't get punished.

Also, if we not to know the day or the hour then how can the Lord arrive in a day or hour that evil servant doesn't expect if God is not holding anyone to an expected day or hour?

The evil servant did not expect the day or hour - as you have just said.
If he HAD, would he not have stopped his bad behaviour so that he didn't get punished?

If it were possible to say, 'the Lord will return sometime in the next 100 years', and in every minute of that 100 years someone, somewhere in the world, expected Jesus' return, then when he did return They would be able to say "I was right; I DID expect the Lord's return."
I imagine that if enough people set enough dates, spanning into the future, then one of them may be correct.

The only problem with that is that a) we don't know that Jesus will return in 100 years - it could be 100 days, 1000 years or tomorrow. B) I don't think there are enough Christians to pick days and minutes; I'm sure there are thousands who have better things to do with their time. And c) what would happen if you picked a date/time and the Lord DID return then? What does that person get? Eternal bragging rights? A seat nearer the throne? The eternal satisfaction of having proved Jesus wrong - what?

The overwhelming message in all this is, are you ready?
I doubt very much that the Lord will ask anyone if they correctly guessed/counted the correct number of hours and minutes until his return - but he may very well ask how we spent them. Did we make them count, or waste them?

 

[ElenaMaria_9]

Are you eady to leave tomorrow? Better be, because none of us is promised another living breath. Get hit by a bus tomorrow, you'd better have been ready then, not 20 years from now.

Being born again equals ready

 

[Deafsilence]

That doesn't make it right.
Harold Camping's followers sold their possessions, being totally convinced that the Lord would return on a certain day and they would not need them after that time.
After that day came and went, they had to face the fact that were still here, and they had nothing.
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Hasty Generalization Fallacy

?? What's the problem?
The evil servant in the parable anticipated that his master would be away for a certain length of time - his master stayed away for longer than he had thought.
The early church believed that Jesus would return in their lifetime; they were wrong. The only difference was that they lived each day as if it were their last, continued to witness and spread the Gospel and do good. Whereas the servant in the parable seems to have thought "he's not coming back or he would have been here by now; who cares who I live and what I do?" THAT'S why he was punished, cut into pieces - his master DID return and found him living dishonourably, Matthew 24:51. If the wicked servant had known when his master was returning - if he knew the day and hour - he would have made sure he was on his best behaviour so that he didn't get punished.

The evil servant did not expect the day or hour - as you have just said.
If he HAD, would he not have stopped his bad behaviour so that he didn't get punished?

You miss the point, why would God be considering to come at a Day when he wouldn't expect it if God meant that nobody could know the day or the hour to begin with.

If it were possible to say, 'the Lord will return sometime in the next 100 years', and in every minute of that 100 years someone, somewhere in the world, expected Jesus' return, then when he did return They would be able to say "I was right; I DID expect the Lord's return."
I imagine that if enough people set enough dates, spanning into the future, then one of them may be correct.

And so what? They would be correct. Someone could guess how many jelly beans are in a jar and get it exact. Just because they guessed doesn't make it less correct.

The only problem with that is that a) we don't know that Jesus will return in 100 years - it could be 100 days, 1000 years or tomorrow. B) I don't think there are enough Christians to pick days and minutes; I'm sure there are thousands who have better things to do with their time. And c) what would happen if you picked a date/time and the Lord DID return then? What does that person get? Eternal bragging rights? A seat nearer the throne? The eternal satisfaction of having proved Jesus wrong - what?

No, some of us DO know when Jesus will return. I believe that will be in 2040.

The overwhelming message in all this is, are you ready?
I doubt very much that the Lord will ask anyone if they correctly guessed/counted the correct number of hours and minutes until his return - but he may very well ask how we spent them. Did we make them count, or waste them?

I agree that is necessary to BE READY. But I also believe that God will provide KNOWLEDGE of His times and dates of His Visitation to those that are READY in due time. Just as God wiped out those that were not ready for His first visitation, I cannot believe that HE will be less expectant of those of His 2nd Coming.

 

[EbioniteRevival]

I believe Yeshua said this, because he implied that he is coming in the second or third watch of night (Luke 12:38). The second watch is from 9 PM to midnight; and the third watch is from midnight to 3 AM. Thus, it is a two-day and (roughly) six-hour window. The definite day and hour have not been determined. The groom's coming in the second or third watch of the night to fetch the bride and take her to the wedding at the home of the groom is a Galilean wedding custom.

The Galilean Wedding

I believe the countdown for the last 7 years began on August 13, 2020, when Trump announced the Abraham Accords. I strongly believe that the Enoch calendar is the one that all the prophecies are based on, because 1260, 1290 and 1335 all seem to be based on a calendar having months invariably 30 days in length (1290 is exactly 42 * 30; 1290 is exactly 43 * 30; and

1335 is exactly 44 Enoch calendar months + the 15 single-day seasonal markers separating each season, including a day at the beginning and end of the 44 month period. Trump began the announcement at 11:43 AM and finished almost exactly at the strike of noon, EST. Israeli time is 6 hours ahead, so the finishing time would have been 6 PM, Israeli Time. Based on common Jewish traditions, this is at the end of one day and the beginning of another day. Thus the ambiguity about the hour and day of Yeshua's return seems understandable based on the passage in Luke and the exact timing of Trump's announcement. I believe Jared Kushner may well be the "first beast" prophesied in Revelation 13. Kushner is the "architect" of the Abraham Accords. I believe he is the leader/prince whose people (I believe the "people" referred to here are the Kabbalistic Zionists) will destroy the city and the sanctuary; and it is this leader that makes the covenant that will control events for the 7 Enoch years before Yeshua returns. Kushner also has Belarussian Jewish background; and this is related to the festival called Radunitsa ("Easter for the Dead"), which celebrates the "inevitable power of death". Exactly 1335 days from August 13, 2020, which is exactly 1290 days from September 27, 2020, is Radunitsa of 2024, which will occur on after sunset on April 9-10. It is worth noting that Radunitsa is a holiday celebrated by even Jews in Belarus.

I believe this was done on deliberately based on instructions given by their Illuminati handlers. If we add exactly 7 Enoch years to August 13, 2020, we arrive at the date of August 5, 2027. That is exactly three days after an eclipse exactly matching the description found in Amos 8:9. I believe there will again be three days of total darkness over Egypt, and this will be a sign that the Son of Man is about to return to deliver the children of Israel from attack by its enemies.